that is what i said beta testing isnt a thing it never has been and it never will be. just like alpha and pre alpha they are not how game making works. it just sounds better than unpaid limited bug search and reporting unprofessional group testing. you say you have been a part of many beta tests you have never been a part of any form of testing maybe other than load testing. that is the truth the game dev community have just come up with a name for it. every one is different everyone is looking for something new and most these days are just here is a demo but people dont like the word demo. look at destiny 2 or the last halo or any other game you have to preorder to play in the closed beta.
Complaint about BETA
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that is what i said beta testing isnt a thing it never has been and it never will be. just like alpha and pre alpha they are not how game making works. it just sounds better than unpaid limited bug search and reporting unprofessional group testing. you say you have been a part of many beta tests you have never been a part of any form of testing maybe other than load testing. that is the truth the game dev community have just come up with a name for it. every one is different everyone is looking for something new and most these days are just here is a demo but people dont like the word demo. look at destiny 2 or the last halo or any other game you have to preorder to play in the closed beta.
Hmm, I think you're right. But there will still be tonnes to test. Apart from Thargoids, which is still a good thing regarding spoilers, yes?
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Hmm, I think you're right. But there will still be tonnes to test. Apart from Thargoids, which is still a good thing, yes?
hell yes!
OP does not understand the software industry at all. A beta test is a test of what the developer decides and nothing to do with him.
The attitude is quite normal, seen it many times before. Entitlement is an ugly trait and op should read the terms of beta access beforehand as he has no argument.
The attitude is quite normal, seen it many times before. Entitlement is an ugly trait and op should read the terms of beta access beforehand as he has no argument.
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It's clear you're lying to yourself because I said it has nothing to do with "spoiling" anything in the story but has to do with testing everything and reporting the bugs. I am "focusing" on the 2.4 thing specifically because I have had enough of their retoric and this is talking about the present to the future. We can't do anything about the past ones. I just finally decided to speak up about it. And no I can't link them because I don't write them here I post them do the customer support email for beta reporting for this game as I do with all other MMO BETA testing I have done. Forums aren't good places to report these. Since it's player mod ran rather than the Devs. Even if Devs post on here this isn't their source of bug reports.
I don't agree with redefining things. I never will and never have. Original definitions ONLY. Not budging.
i hate being that guy but i feel this might be a younger person that like you said doesn't understand other than i paid for a thing i thought i would get and not read their terms then gets mad when it isnt what they thought it was.
There is an air of troll-like immaturity to the whole thread tbh. But I'm happy to see how this one pans out before things get really heated.
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No I know exactly what BETA testing is. And it has nothing to do with what you stated. It has everything to do with testing a complete product for potential code breaking areas/ broken code areas. It also is used for stress tests. There a myriad of things that are done with BETA. However you can't do an accurate BETA testing in video games without having a complete product because if you only give part of it the unknown variable that wasn't tested it could break the code that was BETA tested again in other ways or maybe the fixes won't work. When adding any code it has the potential to mess with other coding that is already stable. Hence bugs pop up in areas that were already perfectly okay when new coding is introduced into the formula. Also as I stated it's not about wanting to know the story early it has everything to do with testing the produce to report the bugs. For someone who's so attackative and dismissive and "this is typical" why don't you look at yourself Mr/Mrs high and mighty. You obviously didn't read the entire post.
for as much as you yell at people to read what you have said you need to do the same. they are not redefining anything as the word means nothing. years before this game was made people that make games were like how can we get people to play a game we are working on and made up the term beta testing. it has no parameters. it has no true meaning because it isn't a thing. they are not miss using the word or term as the term is given meaning by the people using it every time they say it. now did you read the terms of the beta before you paid the money since you seem to have this thing about reading everything. if you didnt then this is your fault for miss understand the terms of the beta. and no i dont care that it is a 200 page thing as i am sure it is.
I assure you that I am much older than you think. And age has nothing to do with it. Kind funny how if you guys think "well a grown person would never say that." or "act like that" so "he/she must be young. That is the answer to all questionings of wonder." Guess what everyone is unique and there is no prescribed formula or robot tendency of "you must conform to this exact image every single one of you. BE ROBOTS NOW OR YOUR YOUNG." Is it you who is what is the common phrase.....12??? or is it a newborn???
have read everything said and I have commented accordingly. Maybe you lack the cognitive ability to have conversations? Maybe you can't understand?
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The issue is that you're only "speaking up" about the lack of Thargoid content in the 2.4 beta, not any of the other massive issues we've had with every other single "beta" FD has run. If your concerns were focused on all the other important aspects of the beta testing process I might agree with you, but you're basically just complaining about not getting all the 2.4 Thargoid content early.
Contacting support is not the same as bug reporting. It's asking them to help you with something such as a ship reimbursement due to a game bug. FD has a bug reporting forum which you would know if you actually used it to post bug reports or search for known bug issues.
Sorry, but that pretty much destroys your credibility on this issue. I don't have any interest in FD's paid "beta" testing but I have still submitted bug reports through the bug reporting forums. If you can't even link a single bug report you've posted to the bug report forums you haven't actually participated in beta testing in Elite in any meaningful way, which is what I suspected when I saw your post was about not getting content early instead of all the other issues we've seen with the betas.
I guess you didn't read my reply fully, the vast majority of ED betas were feature-complete. This one isn't. Suggest you drink a cup of concrete and toughen up.
Now, if you were to complain at how many player reported bugs go unaddressed, then you'd have my sympathy.
As an aside, just because you have defined what a beta means to you, does not mean that the rest of the world has to agree or comply.
And I said basically it doesn't matter complaining about the past. I want to fix the future and present.
you can go to any MMO game site that invites you to be a BETA. When you go there they say do not post it in the forums. To post it through their site to their BUG reporting email at customer support. It doesn't break my credibility it breaks yours to say what you said.
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Um yes it does. Because if I hear English and it spells like English and it uses English words and letters. Than it has to have the same definition. If it doesn't then guess what. None of us really know what anyone is saying. It's all gibberish and useless. Communication breaks down if we aren't all using the same dictionary definitions. Either you're with the same definitions or well you're not speaking English. Same goes for any other "language" as well.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Cool down.
If you want to discuss the validity of having a Beta test, then by all means do that. We have these threads every time a beta is announced, after all.
But, please do it without insults.
Come back in an hour and continue, but for now, just calm down.
If you want to discuss the validity of having a Beta test, then by all means do that. We have these threads every time a beta is announced, after all.
But, please do it without insults.
Come back in an hour and continue, but for now, just calm down.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Re-opened.
I love how the truth actually is, you PAID for the BETA because you WANTED early access. Thats what it is. Why pay for a BETA? Ive always said BETA should be available to everyone for free because its about fixing bugs, more people, more coverage. Frankly i think anyone who paid for BETA access is just as daft as the people who fund those early access survival shovel ware games that are pumped out on a weekly basis but thats me.
However, its quite obvious you are just whinging because you want first look content, not to help FD squash the issues. You want Thargoids.
If you can't understand why all the Thargoid content wouldn't be available In BETA to be poured out onto forums/reddit/social media/youtube before its actually out i think you are beyond reasoning with.
FD never intended to let you have beta access, Kickstarter backers were the only ones to have this early access initially so they could see the gamne development but then ppl on the forum started asking to have access as well, so frontier decided to charge for it seeing the demand was there. You have never been able to see all the content in previous betas either, an example is the gardians.