It's complicated.
Go to the front page of the thread and read the 'HOW TO FIND THESE ALIEN WRECKS: EXPLANATION & CALCULATIONS' section in detail.
Use the Wace calcuator.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn
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It's complicated.
Go to the front page of the thread and read the 'HOW TO FIND THESE ALIEN WRECKS: EXPLANATION & CALCULATIONS' section in detail.
Use the Wace calcuator.
To be honest you've done the fun stuff - if you want to hear the message you need to be in front of the UL - it's a narrow beam. FP, or the 3rd link in my sig (which is also on the FP
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Am I dreaming? I'm sure I saw link to an article about black ops somewhere (Nommai?) where the pilots had designations like s????? Thought it was galnet this week or last week's newsletter but now can't find it.
https://canonn.science/codex/nommai-convoy-beacon/ (follow the link to the Communication Hub Zeta 12 for ship designations)
Would it be this one?
https://canonn.science/news/new-sightings-of-mysterious-military-ships-in-nommai/
*ninja'd*
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Thanks to both of you! it was the latter that I remembered & was trying to find.
So those particular "sites" in most cases seem to basically be static versions of already existent POI or USS that are usually condition based or random. For example, one contains a Threat 4 distress call instance of which is a capship fight, another contains the "Convoy Beacons" for systems in outbreak.
Now, I have a theory on this. This galnet article got redacted from the official galnet on FD's site. I remember a lot of people talking about it, but I'd like to think this was an initial story arc that for some reason didn't work or was never discovered by players. Either way, FD saw to redact it and pretend it never happened. Likewise around the same time we had the missions for "SAP-8 containers" and "trinkets of hidden fortune" that were quite mysterious and nobody could really make heads or tails of them.
Further, we had this article, about the ship with a strange designation "S6:7" scanning Obsidian Orbital. It was reported to be a Diamondback Explorer.
Now, the Nommai site sticks out like nobodies business to me because these sites (led to by the strange beacons) have *consistently* contained static instances of *known* USS and POIs for systems in various states. The Nommai one I've never encountered before *except* here, and I suspect nobody else ever has until now. Now, if you've gone to Nommai, you'll find that there's two main sorts of spawns that occur there.
- A wing of three DBE's, the lead one containing 3 Unknown Artefacts
- A wing of a T9 with some Meta Alloys *or* UAs (can't remember rightly) and some DBE escorts.
... and guess what their designation is? Well, it's not S6:7, but it's very similar to it, just a different number IIRC.
My theory is that this *was* a random USS (or static POI, though I find that unlikely) which we were meant to discover around the time of the Obsidian Orbital article, but like times gone by, for some reason we never discovered it^. So consistent with the other sites, this is one site that could have spawned at certain USS, only we never discovered it, and it was related to that scan event, and likely meant to be our first encounters with the guys reported as "Black Flight" pilots reporting to Overlook.
^I don't want to accuse FD of putting it in bugged, but if the UP spawn chances are anything to go on, then it must've been so rare nobody encountered it, and it likely only occurred in a particular region
But if you're sitting in the dark with no shields, thrusters or coffee you might be wishing you'd strapped on that extra hull plating.
To be honest you've done the fun stuff - if you want to hear the message you need to be in front of the UL - it's a narrow beam. FP, or the 3rd link in my sig (which is also on the FP
Thanks +1 but I'd already done that, and I understand all the maths. In Deep Space, looking right into the cavity in the central round section of the UL when I played the UD messages, and I just heard the initial dolphin/whale noise in reply, and no chittering binary afterwards.
In the end I swapped my Anaconda for my Asp and got right up close to the UL and looked right down its throat. Then I could just hear the chittering. You might want to mention in your FP that the message is very quiet and you need to be looking right down the UL's throat to hear it.
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The way I see it, it is not very quiet, you just need to be position at exact angle to hear it, the way I do it is I play the signal, then whilst the link is playing I position my ship so I can see "the speaker", then move it in small increments until I hear the code. I try to be around 50 m away. Any ship will do, but I prefer Asp as well.
Way to go contradicting me there, thereby setting you up with an opportunity to patronize me. Now you look like you know more than me about everything, not just about Unknown Links in Elite Dangerous. I already said I was looking down the UL's throat and could barely hear the UL message. In fact I was 31m from the UL, and by contrast the sound of my own Unknown Signal playback was painfully loud by comparison.
Now I also said I understood all the maths, meaning I understand binary and octal. I also understand that the three UL responses to the three Unknown Signals are alleged to represent distance readings of the next system containing an Unknown Site, respectively from Merope, HIP 14909, and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3, measured in multiples of the distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 i.e. 871.012824 L-y. This they do by each producing successive groups of three binary white noise pulses, a higher-pitched noise for 0 (zero), and a lower-pitched noise for 1 (one), sometimes separated by a single warbling pulse for / (division stroke). Each group of three binary digits represents a single octal digit. Thus each series of pulses transmitted in the UL's response to each Unknown Signal represents two octal numbers separated by a division stroke, giving a distance figure as a decimal fraction of the distance between Merope and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3.
What I don't understand is how this information is being used to find the next system with an Unknown Site, and the next one, and the 200-odd systems with Unknown Sites claimed to have been discovered using this data. No one has offered any explanation at all, beyond 'it takes degree level maths'.
I know I'm late to the party and no one owes me an explanation on that account, but there should be an explanation anyway. And besides, I am that guy, you know, the one who points out stuff that no one wants to know about....
My own limited maths, as applied to the first of the HIP 14909 Unknown Signals works as follows:
Unknown Signal 1:
Binary:
010 010 111 / 001 111 101 010
001 / 011 001
001 110 101 001 / 001 111 101 010
Octal:
227 / 1752
1 / 31
1651 / 1752
Decimal Fractions:
151/1002
1/25
937/1002
Decimal:
0.151
0.04
0.935
Distances from Galactic Co-ordinates:
0.151 × 871.013 = 131.52 L-y from Merope -78.59375 / -149.625 / -340.53125
0.04 × 871.013 = 34.84 L-y from HIP 14909 -84.375 / -259.28125 / -358.65625
0.935 × 871.013 = 814.40 L-y from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 687.0625 / -362.53125 / -697.0625
[I have a formula to try to work out the Galactic co-ordinates of the next system using the co-ordinates of Merope, HIP 14909, and Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3, and their calculated respective distances from the system given by the Unknown Link:
D = √ (x - a)² + (y - b)² + (z - c)²
Where D is the distance of the reference system e.g. Merope, a, b, and c are the X, Y, and Z Galactic co-ordinates of the reference system, and x, y and z are the Galactic co-ordinates of the next system we're looking for.]
√ ( (x - (-78.59375))² + (y - (-149.625))² + (z - (-340.53125))² ) = 131.52
√ ( (x - (-84.375))² + (y - (-259.28125))² + (z - (-358.65625))² ) = 34.84
√ ( (x - 687.0625)² + (y - (-362.53125))² + (z - (-697.0625))² ) = 814.40
(x + 78.59375)² + (y + 149.625)² + (z + 340.53125)² = 131.52²
(x + 84.375)² + (y + 259.28125)² + (z + 358.65625)² = 34.84²
(x - 687.0625)² + (y + 362.53125)² + (z + 697.0625)² = 814.40²
[using (x + y)² = (x + y)(x + y) = x² + 2xy + y² and (x − y)² = (x − y)(x − y) = x² − 2xy + y²]
x² + y² + z² + 157.1875x + 299.29y + 681.0625z + 127227.8676 = 0
x² + y² + z² + 168.75x + 518.56245y + 717.3125z + 201766.3515 = 0
x² + y² + z² - 1374.125x + 725.0625y + 1394.125z + 426137.457 = 0
And that's as far as I've got. Anyone care to explain to me how to solve these polynomials, and show exactly how they triangulated the next system from the UL response data? Or may I assume that mathematics ultimately only serves to cover a multitude of secrets, lies and sins? Like Devs creating game content so obscure that only the Devs and their buddies can access it. I mean, what sort of game includes ultimately pointless puzzles that require the exercise of degree-level mathematics to complete, but doesn't fulfil most of its promises (exploration) and gets basic things wrong like a faulty outfitting screen which requires the navigation of nested text menus, instead of a simple drag and drop interface? Etc., etc., etc. Don't you get the impression that the Devs are making fun of you?
Calmness is a good thing.
Once you have the three distances from the current and 2 reference systems I believe everyone is using programs that look at all candidate systems in edsm that match the distances. Best fit is the one to try (and the UL reacts as I'm sure you've read). Each recording of the 3 recordings gives a different site, these are the links shown on the canonn map.
Once you have the three distances from the current and 2 reference systems I believe everyone is using programs that look at all candidate systems in edsm that match the distances. Best fit is the one to try (and the UL reacts as I'm sure you've read). Each recording of the 3 recordings gives a different site, these are the links shown on the canonn map.
Just incase anyone else is around the SKAUDAI AA-A H71 Nebula area I've found another system (PRUA PHOE US-B D86) with 5 ancient ruins on 2 planets
PRUA PHOE US-B D86 C 2 2xGamma 1xBeta
PRUA PHOE US-B D86 C 2 1xGamma 1xAlpha
http://imgur.com/a/hAiQc
Looks like the Ancients do have a thing for Nebula?
madwax....
<Update>Turns out Factabulous beat me too it and logged it. Question to the people doing the reprot form, are newly added an unverified sites showing up?
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PRUA PHOE US-B D86 C 2 2xGamma 1xBeta
PRUA PHOE US-B D86 C 2 1xGamma 1xAlpha
http://imgur.com/a/hAiQc
Looks like the Ancients do have a thing for Nebula?
madwax....
<Update>Turns out Factabulous beat me too it and logged it. Question to the people doing the reprot form, are newly added an unverified sites showing up?
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They're interesting as they are on a tidal locked pair (don't think we've had ruins on both sides of a tidal locked pair) and two sites are the most active sites found so far with 36 & 37 active obelisks. Hoping we can get a route to solve the ruins using only skaudai sites soon
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They're interesting as they are on a tidal locked pair (don't think we've had ruins on both sides of a tidal locked pair) and two sites are the most active sites found so far with 36 & 37 active obelisks. Hoping we can get a route to solve the ruins using only skaudai sites soon
It is intresting
I've not found anything else south and below the area of D252/D44/D114 from the edge of the neb to about 100Ly out.This is where you're going wrong. Many, many times I've said, none of the puzzles in the game require incredibly high level skills. Using fractions, morse code and, well, this day and age, using google, are things people would learn having gone through the legally-required level of schooling. At the very least, my school back in grade 5 or whatever had a lesson on "Let's use morse to make secret coded messages only your friends can read!" (lol...).
So,, you got this far:
Binary:
010 010 111 / 001 111 101 010
001 / 011 001
001 110 101 001 / 001 111 101 010
Octal:
227 / 1752
1 / 31
1651 / 1752
Decimal Fractions:
151/1002
1/25
937/1002
Decimal:
0.151
0.04
0.935
Distances from Galactic Co-ordinates:
0.151 × 871.013 = 131.52 L-y from Merope -78.59375 / -149.625 / -340.53125
0.04 × 871.013 = 34.84 L-y from HIP 14909 -84.375 / -259.28125 / -358.65625
0.935 × 871.013 = 814.40 L-y from Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3 687.0625 / -362.53125 / -697.0625
So, what's 34.84LY from HIP 14909? Using EDDB or just flying to the system you can work out you've got candidates of:
| Pleiades Sector SD-T b3-1 | 34.64 ly | ||||
| Pleiades Sector FG-Y d44 | 34.67 ly | ||||
| Pleiades Sector YJ-R b4-0 | 34.73 ly | ||||
| Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27 | 34.74 ly | ||||
| Mel 22 Sector QT-H b10-0 | 34.79 ly | ||||
| Mel 22 Sector SZ-F b11-1 | 34.98 ly | ||||
| Mel 22 Sector CH-C b13-0 | 35.03 ly | ||||
... already you aren't going to find a match using your formula because sure enough, there's no system exactly 34.84LY from HIP 14909. But like the UA "morse", it's not morse, just morse-like, and with this kind of thing going down to only a certain degree of precision given the use of octal, so it's only going to be a rough match anyway.
Rinse repeat for the distance from Merope and, if there's still too many candidates, Col 70, and job done. It'll eventually converge on Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27, noting it's still inaccurate (131.18 rather than 131.52LY). No complex math needed.
Literally everything (except one thing^) is doable in-game or with a pencil/paper. The worst it might get is you need to look up a hex-ascii/bin-ascii chart or similar, but again, a quick google will get a swiss-army-knife converter between many things in the first hit.
Many, many people go too deep into the science looking for a solution. It happened with the UA morse, the guardian ruins and so on. It's important to remember that it's a game, not a perfect science.
^ The one thing is the spectrograms of the UP/Unknown Site signals. But they are not requisite to working out anything, just clues to help.
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Possible Unpublished Listening Posts and Target Planet/ SITE
Listening Post 1
Listening Post 2
Listening Post 3
Triangulated System
i also have screenshots if needed.
Listening Post 1
SYNUEFAI JI-R D5-12
Listening Post 2
SYNUEFAI SS-Y B18-0
Listening Post 3
SYNUEFAI ML-2 B20-0
Triangulated System
SYNUEFAI FV-U B20-0
PLANET 2A
LAT: -34.05639
LONG: -140.74611
site discovered:
extraction site v-81
SITE CONTAINS 3 AUDIO LOGS AND A DATA POINT
PLANET 2A
LAT: -34.05639
LONG: -140.74611
site discovered:
extraction site v-81
SITE CONTAINS 3 AUDIO LOGS AND A DATA POINT
Yes please
nice find [up] - seems new, I've pinged discord as they tend to catalog this stuff - excited for screenshots as I'm too far away to visit at the mo' - I really need to schedule time to go around the LP next time I'm bubble-local
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