PvP Griefers are seriously making me consider quitting

[Stigbob]

Apparently calling genuine pirates 'griefers' is permissible on the forums... Interesting, if not unsurprising.

Everyone likes genuine pirates, I enjoyed meeting both of them in 2015.

 

[DukeIronHand]

All so predictable. And they all sound the same. Same Cmdr's arguing the same tired points.
Let me get in my same tired point.

"PvP'ers": Stop sounding so desperate and cringy. Pathetic. You hardly help your cause by sounding so weird and strange. Most could care less what you do in Open. Kill yourselves and others. Have fun.

"PvE'ers": Stop your whining and shut up. It's Open. O P E N. Pirates, gankers, greifers, PvP'ers, oh my! What do you think is supposed to happen there? Either stay out of Open or prepare, Engineer, and "git gud." You have absolutely nothing to complain about if you get blown up flying in Open. Any "I don't want PvP" types still confused?

 

[Lateralus]

Everyone likes genuine pirates, I enjoyed meeting both of them in 2015.

Still blocked them though I'm guessing?

 

[Rob At Work]

When you get to 10 years old (apparently) you will be able to deal with this emotion

 

[Zeeman]

Game needs a Piracy tool, like an EMP which disables a ships weapons and cargo bay so a ship can be pirated yet not destroyed. Shields stay intact.
Main battle is in the interdiction. Lose that and you're losing some of your stuff.
Maybe a charge time for the weapon as well so it would need to be a one hit, one chance kinda thing(like a railgun but a bit longer in relation to a ships jump time). Hit and disabled, miss and better run as it will have knocked off core systems like your weapons, FSD and/ or shields (hunter becomes the hunted). Risk /reward kinda thing with a downside. This would make it easier for smaller ships to evade as well, both pirate and trader.
Even with wings, they need time to drop so a trader could just lay a course to another system and cut their loses.

Just a thought.

As for killing players:
Well, a proper C&P thing will go a long way. Also, lengthening the TTK and changing the game from it being all about ship destruction to more of a money sink for repair bills would make ganking a lot harder.
Problem is 10m+ rebuys are a lot of money to people who don't farm the best places and don't grind the game. Having smaller costs is far more manageable regards what a player risks than one big slap in the face as things currently are. Ganking is popular because of the levels of damage it does to a players account. If that is squashed where a single action by a ganker can't do as much damage then there will be no merit in them attempting to grief other players.

And yes, I know ED has always been about one player, one ship but the game now has multiplayer and the threat level has changed so maybe things need adjusted a little to compensate.

I am not expecting any of this to go well.

Actually, I seem to remember playing X-Wing vs Tie Fighter many years back, and you could use one of two weapons, one killed the enemy ship when it hit "0", the other disabled it. Surely, a weapon that act like any other, but disables instead of destroys would be the weapon of choice for a pirate?

Z...

 

[Morbad]

Surely, a weapon that act like any other, but disables instead of destroys would be the weapon of choice for a pirate?

You disable them to take their stuff.

Then you kill them to keep them from talking about it.

 

[Goose4291]

Actually, I seem to remember playing X-Wing vs Tie Fighter many years back, and you could use one of two weapons, one killed the enemy ship when it hit "0", the other disabled it. Surely, a weapon that act like any other, but disables instead of destroys would be the weapon of choice for a pirate?

Z...

Yep, the good ole Ion cannon. We still have the problem though of the prey being happy with surrendering their cargo.

 

[yminale]

All so predictable. And they all sound the same. Same Cmdr's arguing the same tired points.
Let me get in my same tired point.

The real problem is Fdev. Creating unrestricted PvP is a major No NO in any MMORPG. Good designers deal with it before launch. Fdev uses band aids like Mobius, and player bans. They also need to be faster in fixing exploits that griefers use (thermal cannons anyone).

 

[Stigbob]

Still blocked them though I'm guessing?

Nope, I only block ramming griefers and cheats you can read about it here if you want to know more : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)

Are code still really into ramming around Lave ?, you guys sort of dropped off the map.

 

[Ian Skippy]

The real problem is Fdev. Creating unrestricted PvP is a major No NO in any MMORPG. Good designers deal with it before launch. Fdev uses band aids like Mobius, and player bans. They also need to be faster in fixing exploits that griefers use (thermal cannons anyone).

Or maybe FD simply doesnt agree with what you want? They went out of their way to be extremely clear that 'criminal behavior' is fully intended, allowed and in a way should be expected. Extremely savage behavior also occurs in most Elite books (blowing up escape pods, how much griefing do you need?). Its fine if you dont like it, to each his own. But it would be a sign of maturity if you could acknowledge you are not alone on this planet, your wishes arent shared by everyone and people doing things you dont like doesnt mean they are stupid or incompetent.

 

[babelfisch]

To be honest I agree with you on most things you have said bar a small blind spot, people who grind UP in PVE then come into open.

You get interdicted by NPCs and there's no stopping it, but a human player has a better chance to beat you so there's a clear difficulty imbalance in playing in a "carebear" group over playing in open especially if the widespread prevailance of griefing is to be believed but i wouldnt have mobius banned or mode switching changed.

I would have a weighting of rewards dependent on mode, especially around community goals seems like the fairest of solutions.

True. However, those who call others cowards and carebears are usually the same people who used exploits (both for money and gear) to get better chances in PvP. They usually play in Solo / PG themselves. For me that's the real problem in this forum anyway, all the bad arguments, cheating, exploiting and shaming have taken all credibility from the PvP community. The "PvE extremists" aren't much better, but at least they are honest and say what they really want.

The arguments against PvE players (or those who feel like they get griefed) always go in circles:
1. If you don't want to get blown up use shields.
2. Shields are not enough, you also need defensive modules.
3. Shields and defensive modules aren't enough, you also need a ship that can defend itself.
4. Shields, defensive modules and a good ship aren't enough, you also need to engineer it.
5. Shields defensive modules and a good, engineered ship aren't enough, you also need to learn how to escape.
6. If you don't want to do all this, just play in Solo or PG. But don't ask for a PvE mode, that could hurt our vocal minority of griefers, gankers and exploiters.
7. If you play in PG or Solo you are a coward. Your actions shouldn't contribute to the game. There should be rewards for playing in Open. Real men don't play Solo!

But if you ask for something like better C&P or the karma system they'll complain that you want to take their fun away. Obviously not every PvP player has this opinion, but that's the picture I got from the various discussions over the last years.

 

[jasonbarron]

True. However, those who call others cowards and carebears are usually the same people who used exploits (both for money and gear) to get better chances in PvP. They usually play in Solo / PG themselves. For me that's the real problem in this forum anyway, all the bad arguments, cheating, exploiting and shaming have taken all credibility from the PvP community. The "PvE extremists" aren't much better, but at least they are honest and say what they really want.

As if the PvE community is above using every exploit under the sun. The only one they didn't use is the one they didn't know about, hardly moral high ground. The reality is that there is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to exploits.

 

[NeilF]

In ED they don't call them griefers. They call them "pirates". But whatever you want to call them, I'm sick of their crap.

I've been a huge fan. I own all 30 ships, bought skins for a few, decals, etc. I'm at a point where I've done enough that the only reason to play now is to meet up with some people and have some fun together.

But apparently that's not allowed. The only thing that's allowed is that people get to mug me whenever they feel like it, and then make fun of me for "whining" about it because "that's what Solo is for". They are 100% allowed to ruin anything I'm doing, and I have no possible way of getting revenge except to STOP what I'm doing, blow a few million calling my PvP ship at the nearest station, wait for it to be delivered, and see if I can find them... if they're even still online.

Can't even call them out by name in the forums. That's a "witch hunt". They're just "pirating", which is "valid". Minding my own business and wanting to play with people who won't take advantage of a ship mismatch? That's not valid at all. I should run like a coward or give them my cargo or just let them blow me up. I should play in Solo. I should "know what I'm getting into". I should make people stand guard over me.

Because what I want doesn't count, only what the "pirates" want counts. (not "griefers", they're not "griefers" remember)

The new justice system will raise the amount of Cr they pay... like that will make any difference or pay me back at all for the bull...

So you know what? Screw it. I don't need this in my life.


... maybe... idk... having a real hard time walking away from a game I've poured this many hours into... and the game has so much potential...


But let's face it: I haven't actually enjoyed ED in days.

Anyway... I expect the only people who reply to this thread will be pirates who can't wait to validate the awful way they victimize people for fun so... likely won't be back to these forums... just needed to say it.

Until mindless (illegal) destruction is sensibly held accountable, such as denying docking at stations and permits to entire systems, many folks like yourself will probably be better off in "Mobius".

 

[ChiefRedCloud]

Has anyone seen OP respond to any of your comments? Do you get the feeling we've been played? Baited and hooked?

1: Griefers exist in Elite, they call themselves pirates, but they are not, one major reason is pirates don't just blow up people, they are there to steal, that's it.
2: Changes are coming with next update 2.4 that hopefully will help some.
3: Naming and shaming is disallowed for a good reason, because it works both ways, you wouldn't just be able to label them, but they'd be able to do similar to you, and it opens up to an enormous pile of a troublesome mess to allow it, see many other official forums that deteriorate because of people attacking each other left right and center, so in general it is a good thing, however there's nothing preventing you from informing people of where and what they are flying, and then tell people in game or such their name, or make a list of such that you share with those people wanting to find and hunt them back.
4: Take a breath, realise that yes there are idiots out there, but then hopefully recall that you've likely see a ton of people online, but likely only a fraction of those have actually attacked you, try beginning to talk to the other people, communicate, open up, many people seem to close down because someone 'might' be bad, so who communicates in the game is limited which is unfortunate, I personally keep trying to communicate with most everyone and it has only payed off by learning and flying with random people and having fun, yes there is the occasional idiot, but that's the fact irl as well, but the normal people far far outweigh the idiots in amount.

xondk these are more or less my feelings also .... Grieving or what ever is not to be compared to honest Piracy. But I think he already knows this .... He just wanted a response and he got it in 18 pages ....

Chief

 

[Siobhan]

Has anyone seen OP respond to any of your comments? Do you get the feeling we've been played? Baited and hooked?



xondk these are more or less my feelings also .... Grieving or what ever is not to be compared to honest Piracy. But I think he already knows this .... He just wanted a response and he got it in 18 pages ....

Chief

"honest piracy"?
The other thing about pirates is that the powers that be don't tolerate them.

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

"honest piracy"?
The other thing about pirates is that the powers that be don't tolerate them.

Where is my privateers license?

Until mindless (illegal) destruction is sensibly held accountable, such as denying docking at stations and permits to entire systems, many folks like yourself will probably be better off in "Mobius".

I would guess that even after those things are implemented that most of the people of Mobius will stay there.

 

[Lateralus]

Are code still really into ramming around Lave ?, you guys sort of dropped off the map.

Ramming in Lave? not sure what incident you are referring too there.. Think you might be confusing us with a certain naughty Orca pilot from days gone by.

We're still around, don't worry .

 

[Powderpanic]

I heard The Code indulge in nonconsensual PVP!

That is griefing!

 

[ChiefRedCloud]

"honest piracy"?
The other thing about pirates is that the powers that be don't tolerate them.

Well HONEST to a Pirate .... LOL

And seems like a great job for Bounty Hunters, huh .... to be hired by the 'Powers that be" to take out those "Honest" Pirates .... LOL

Chief

 

[Siobhan]

Well HONEST to a Pirate .... LOL

And seems like a great job for Bounty Hunters, huh .... to be hired by the 'Powers that be" to take out those "Honest" Pirates .... LOL

Chief

Historically it was the navies of Britain and Spain. More recently the British and US navies off Somalia.
Seems a military matter to me, not one for private citizens.