The Difference Between PvP and "Griefing"

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

You are responsible for providing a stable internet connection that meets the requiernments of Open Play (and all disadvanatages of P2P). If you experience frequent DCs then don't play Open. I don't care if it is intentionally or not. DC or log, rebuy screen period. If I'd experience a combat DC when I am losing I'd show up and let myself be killed because I was losing. It's just fair. I am responsible for providing a stable connection and if I fail in doing so I must face the penalties.

I'm sorry, I thought it was my ISPs responsibility to provide a reliable internet connection.

Next time my internet is down, I'll be sure to fix it myself.
If you could be so kind as to explain to Sky that I won't be paying them for their services, because I'll do the maintenance myself, that'd be great.

Also, what about CTDs, server crashes, plain old P2P weirdness, power cuts, etc?
Life happens.

That's one hell of a poorly thought out solution to CLogging.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[Herbrand]

Your proposed "solutions" lack ANY sort of punishment or consequences for ganking / griefing.

 

[StiTch]

Not exclusively.

It would be more accurate to say that Open is the primary mode in which PVP occurs.

If it helps people feel better, call it "PvP enabled".

Ultimately it's simply a reminder that Open is "anything goes". Unless you are cheating or harassing a player, neither PvP nor murder is an out-of-game crime, no matter how much anyone wants to play the woeful victim card.

What a ridiculous statement. When I'm responsible for something, it is my fault if it fails. I pay for my internet connection - the responsibility to provide it lies with my ISP. Fortunately, mine is pretty good. But it still goes flaky sometimes. To suggest that flaky internet could be used as an excuse to penalise players is daft (and fortunately, FD will not do this).

Do you have it in writing that FD will not? I'd be interested to see that.

It's not unusual in the slightest for a game developer to establish liability with a player that has poor connection when a dispute/complaint is raised. At the end of the day, the requirement to have a decent connection is generally part of a multiplayer game, where ultimately your poor connection goes on to affect the gameplay of others.

And we couldn't have that now, could we?

 

[Arindor]

I agree, OPEN = PVP

if you don't like PVP =>SOLO or Private groups.

But I like PvE and would love to meet other players in the ED universe not intent on ruining my game, and you can't guarantee that private will prevent that either.

 

[Marra Morgan]

I agree, OPEN = PVP

I will keep doing my PvE in Open, thank you.

 

[Crank Larson]

Do you have it in writing that FD will not? I'd be interested to see that.

No, but I'll happily place bets that FD are not going to penalise people for dodgy internet connections. They have certainly raised it as an issue in livestreams and comments on combat logging. And if they do start doing it, I'll eat my backer's edition freebies (box and all). Are you suggesting that you think they might penalise bad internet connections?!

 

[Minonian]

But I like PvE and would love to meet other players in the ED universe not intent on ruining my game, and you can't guarantee that private will prevent that either.

[yesnod]

And Not PVP. No amount of "PVP-er" moaning can change this.

Also? I find funny when PVP-ers saying if you don't like PVP than don't play in open, go to solo and stop whining!
I wonder they ever noticed where is the problem with this?

If they not just by actions but words chasing away other player, than they not going to have anyone to play with.
We can still thrive in solo and groups, but what they will going to do without us?
So by all means! Keep chasing us away, keep hunting us. Keep verbally abusing us because we don't want PVP. All you lots doing is to keep up the current situation and making it worse. Because we can exist without them but they will die out without us.

 

[jonluv]

Have been playing on Open for past 3 sessions (6) hours--- Went out in Cutter--- no one about-- went out in Python the same
went out in Cobra --empty space.where are the Open Players???--- Tried 14 Systems

 

[Minonian]

Have been playing on Open for past 3 sessions (6) hours--- Went out in Cutter--- no one about-- went out in Python the same
went out in Cobra --empty space.where are the Open Players???--- Tried 14 Systems

We all chased away... Because just as i said? If you don't want PVP Than open is not for you!
They think and act like it's only theirs.

 

[Stigbob]

This is over-complicating a really simple thing, just adapt the game to whatever you like. Use mode selection to play in whatever mode you like whenever you like. Use block to get rid of anyone you don't want to play with.

Stop worrying about what other people want or do.

 

[Minonian]

This is over-complicating a really simple thing, just adapt the game to whatever you like. Use mode selection to play in whatever mode you like whenever you like. Use block to get rid of anyone you don't want to play with.

Stop worrying about what other people want or do.

The problem with that, they will not stop "'worrying" about us. Meaning? They will still keep hunting us, for combat logging blocking and whatever reason they find, and there will be always more "pvp-er" than you can possibly block.

 

[StiTch]

No, but I'll happily place bets that FD are not going to penalise people for dodgy internet connections.

Meh, bets don't mean anything. I would love to "bet" that FD remove private and solo play, but I don't think it'd be widely accepted...

Are you suggesting that you think they might penalise bad internet connections?!

As above...it's not exactly a new precedent. Game developers have held that stance on many many occasions. Issues you cause as a result of a poor connection are still yours to deal with as an out-of-game problem causing problems in-game (much like harassing someone for out-of-game reasons is classed as true griefing), not the person being affected by it. It also means there's a far clearer cut around cheating, by removing ambiguity about whether to punish someone whose poor connection resembles any kind of networking manipulation.

I faintly remember something on the topic from FD about it but as it's not a concrete recollection, I won't pull it into this.

We can still thrive in solo and groups, but what they will going to do without us?

Play in Open as we have been, sans the forum toddler tantrums.

If this is your sentiment, by all means remove yourself from all Open play and Open discussion.

Oh wait sorry, was I supposed to act heartbroken?

 

[Minonian]

Play in Open as we have been, sans the forum toddler tantrums.

If this is your sentiment, by all means remove yourself from all Open play and Open discussion.

Oh wait sorry, was I supposed to act heartbroken?

And when this happens all of us removing himself from forum discussions, and open whom you going to shoot at?
Whom you going to debate with?

Oh wait! It's already happened.

 

[Marra Morgan]

And when this happens all of us removing himself from forum discussions, and open whom you going to shoot at?
Whom you going to debate with?

Oh wait! It's already happened.

If only.

 

[Jockey79]

Man, this took a sharp turn from defining PVP / Griefing to just another S.O.G thread.

 

[StiTch]

And when this happens all of us removing himself from forum discussions, and open whom you going to shoot at?
Whom you going to debate with?

...the players that don't feel the need to have a forum toddler tantrum when they don't get their own way.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve, but I am feeling this is more of a win by the second.

 

[Crank Larson]

Man, this took a sharp turn from defining PVP / Griefing to just another S.O.G thread.

Not really a surprise, though, eh?

 

[Crank Larson]

Meh, bets don't mean anything. I would love to "bet" that FD remove private and solo play, but I don't think it'd be widely accepted...

I'll take that bet. What are you putting on it? I will bet that FD do not remove either mode. What time period does this cover; when do I collect my prize?

I'm not sure you understand what betting is. People tend to put money on things that they think are likely. In your case, betting on FD removing modes would be giving money away...

 

[lokvette]

Ohh goodie another what is griefingpvppvesoloopenmobiusihavethebiggistepeennoyoudontido thread.

If someone kills you and only you over and over and over again with the intent of making you gametime utter poop that is griefing. Getting killed by someone at a CG is not. Player on player perhaps depending on if you shot back, once you do then it's player vs player as you might as well be saying "com on thn if u fink ur ard enuff."

See one paragraph job done. Why do we keep getting these essays telling most of us what we already know.

 

[Minonian]

Be careful what you wish for! Because you "PVP-ers" definitely the kind of people whom can only exist if you have someone to fight with.

Do you starting to getting it? Between the 2 of us you are the one whom in the middle of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If you keep doing it? Than everyone turns against you, leaves you.
If you stop? than it's over.

And of course you just can't stop your nature don't let this happen.

Talking about Pirates & PVP-ers? I wonder any of you read the short story of the pilots federation when you ascended into the rank of elite. And granted entrance to Shinrarta Dezhra?
Oh wait most of you still don't!

Spoiler alert!

Spoiler

Anyway, the point is, By the game history, The federation of pilots are being born against pirates, and overall scummy behaviour. This game And the best of the players, the literal "ELITE" What it meant to be elite are standing against the likes of you.

And you lots only tolerated because all hero needs a villain.