What else you would want to do on bare planets outside bubble though - except for some escape pods, fungus, volcanism here and there, sight seeing some interesting vistas.
Atmospheric Worlds. A Start?
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What else you would want to do on bare planets outside bubble though - except for some escape pods, fungus, volcanism here and there, sight seeing some interesting vistas.
Huh? Whose looking for excuses? Don't assume what other people are looking for in their gameplay - it makes you look silly
For the record they can add atmospheric worlds with nothing on them for all I care, at this stage I'd still enjoy visiting the varied vista's and can imagine some fantastic weathered scenery if nothing else. My point was don't expect spectacular gameplay from FD with the introduction of these worlds.
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They were!
but then they changed things and we ended up with the "Great Blandness" as you know full well, but just refuse to acknowledge.
verminstar
Banned
It might be enough to entice me to start playing again...current mudballs and snowballs, after a few hundred landings become boring beyond belief. Much as I love driving the srv, the novelty doesnt last forever and all planets start to look exactly the same. Just clones of each other with little or no variation...nothing to find with even escape pods vanishing at about the 12 to 15 kly point. No ruins, no interesting features whatsoever past getting a good spot fer selfies. Collecting materials takes all of an hour or two and is about as entertaining as clipping ones toenails.
Atmospherics would be really cool fer the actual entry and landing physics, but without more reason to actually land, theres very little point beyond the novelty of flying through an atmosphere. I fear if trying to find anthills...I mean elites version of volcanoes...where flying through the atmosphere fer hours using the technological miracle called the eyeball mark 1 would get very boring very quickly.
Put simply, atmospheric planets are something I wouldnt even begin to contemplate until some significant detail was added to the planets themselves. Actual atmosphereic landings should be see as the introduction of something special when/if ye make it to the surface. The planet itself would be the icing on the cake if frontier spends the time to get it right. So on that note, Im not expecting to see them anytime soon. Deep down, Im not optimistic they will even start anything like this within the next two years, not when ye take their past history into account ^
Atmospherics would be really cool fer the actual entry and landing physics, but without more reason to actually land, theres very little point beyond the novelty of flying through an atmosphere. I fear if trying to find anthills...I mean elites version of volcanoes...where flying through the atmosphere fer hours using the technological miracle called the eyeball mark 1 would get very boring very quickly.
Put simply, atmospheric planets are something I wouldnt even begin to contemplate until some significant detail was added to the planets themselves. Actual atmosphereic landings should be see as the introduction of something special when/if ye make it to the surface. The planet itself would be the icing on the cake if frontier spends the time to get it right. So on that note, Im not expecting to see them anytime soon. Deep down, Im not optimistic they will even start anything like this within the next two years, not when ye take their past history into account ^
verminstar
Banned
Before 2.2, there were varied terrain worlds...after 2.2 and some changes made by frontier, we got bland and beige and then the complaints started in earnest. Those complaints lasted through several mega threads...guessing ye missed the explanations why players were complaining and still are ^
I personally think boring will become everything on such scale. MORE I can agree on though. I really wonder what would be perfect formula - considering I don't believing throwing in moar gonna help and satisfy those who complain.
If there would be that many to discover, it would become new normal and boring quickly. Caves and crevasses are atmos planet thing. Rare mineral deposits though are good idea. Alien ruins - I would hate them becoming a regular thing.
Also I don't think it should be become planet side honking. But I hope that's something Sandro will work on. As I said, I don't see throwing in more being satisfying thing. People don't like just driving around SRV anyway.
Never understood appeal and certainly is not focus of ED as a game. Won't complain if it comes, but I expect other things first before going into this territory.
Same material collection, will get boring anyway. Problem with discovering unique things that they are, well, rare. There's no really 'usually found rare things'. I know gamers might not like that notion, but that's how real life works. There's no chemical shortcutting there.
Not really. Development can't go on forever (NMS, SC anyone). It simply can't at some point some version with MVP will be released. Either it scratches your itch or not. "Inch deep" is not objective observation considering complexities involved. Gamers very frequently lack sense of scope.
They added things. They added two alien races. They improved textures.
Things get boring after time. They just do. Only way to enjoy ED is not to overplay ED.
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I'd rather want them to take meaningful steps, not placeholders.
1st step: flying in atmospheres, not landing on planets.
Where?
At gas giants!
- Flying through clouds! Oh my gawd, how much am I looking forward to this! Really, the main reason I want this feature is flying through procedurally generated clouds ...
- Dogfighting in clouds, with hide & seek. (Reduced weapon tracking/additional jitter when hiding in clouds due to increased interferences.)
- Weather phenomena. Lightings, rain (acid or not), storms to affect the ship's behaviour.
- "Floating" cities in the upper atmosphere layers
- Harvesting algae and other gases. Fuel scooping
- Dangerous salvage operations in the deeper layers, always an eye on the atmospheric pressure (potentially lethal; great opportunity for the awesome sound team ...)
- Hunting enormous creatures innocently "swimming" in the dense atmosphere for valuable commodities.
- Hunting down mean hunters preying on beautiful floating creatures.
Really, there is so much possible content with gas giants alone. They would make a great first step in order to build up on. Surface structures (influenced by all the atmospheric features like wind/rain and surface liquids) might be a reasonable second step still in the far future of the game (one year and plus).
But gas giants first!
1st step: flying in atmospheres, not landing on planets.
Where?
At gas giants!
- Flying through clouds! Oh my gawd, how much am I looking forward to this! Really, the main reason I want this feature is flying through procedurally generated clouds ...
- Dogfighting in clouds, with hide & seek. (Reduced weapon tracking/additional jitter when hiding in clouds due to increased interferences.)
- Weather phenomena. Lightings, rain (acid or not), storms to affect the ship's behaviour.
- "Floating" cities in the upper atmosphere layers
- Harvesting algae and other gases. Fuel scooping
- Dangerous salvage operations in the deeper layers, always an eye on the atmospheric pressure (potentially lethal; great opportunity for the awesome sound team ...)
- Hunting enormous creatures innocently "swimming" in the dense atmosphere for valuable commodities.
- Hunting down mean hunters preying on beautiful floating creatures.
Really, there is so much possible content with gas giants alone. They would make a great first step in order to build up on. Surface structures (influenced by all the atmospheric features like wind/rain and surface liquids) might be a reasonable second step still in the far future of the game (one year and plus).
But gas giants first!
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I agree. I would really like to see some of that too. It would also be a great test bed for dense atmospheric planets as well.
Sometimes you have to do a thing to understand how to do the thing better
Like how to make planets beige and then leave it like that for over a year.
Like how to make planets beige and then leave it like that for over a year.
Because like changing it back will require rewrite which again will improve performance and which in turn will require sacrifices in other places in game.
You know, software development, where changing a small thing might require rewrite of major version.
I was making a joke.
Yes, I know it quite well .. I've been doing it since I was 15 (I'm 33 now).
Sorry about being jumpy then, I am tired of that subject matter.
I agree with frustration how long it takes to get PG universe improvements in ED these days though. Again, I hope FD will say something nice about it in FX.
Like how to make planets beige and then leave it like that for over a year.
Explanation 1:
Perhaps FDEV genuinely believe beige planets are actually more accurate for the types of planet we can currently land upon?
Boring? Sure. Could it be true?
Explanation 2:
If there is a performance problem with more complex surfaces, and the simple largely monochrome approach alleviated the trouble.
Boring? Sure. Will they ever fix it? Perhaps dumping 32-bit is the first step?
Explanation 3:
To get realism for materials that could be scooped up from the surface, and yet make the grind difficult for engineering, required dull planets. Exciting planets, would have tonnes of arsenic just lying on the surface [for instance] - therefore these exciting planets had to be removed...
Boring? Sure. And another nail in the coffin for the "how engineering ruined ED" - if you believe that...
Explanation 4:
A developers spilt their 3-day old filtered-coffee over the code. That stain is awful to remove.
Funny? Yup. I like this explanation, and it makes as much sense as any other...
Does anyone else have a better explanation?
verminstar
Banned
Thing is we already know what the explanation is...it's an unintended side effect to changes made in 2.2...which sorta makes yer alternative guesses somewhat behind the times ^
Eagleboy is sick of the beige after a couple threads where ye got zero traction...imagine how sick of it the rest of us are after several mega threads over a year and then complain.
That hasn't gone away...nor will it ^
As long as you don't have trees and stuff, it would be doable.
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"Do, or do not. There is no halfway house for atmospheric planets."