Chaos in Eve

[Jenner]

This is an old article, but it definitely sums up my feelings on EVE:
https://www.polygon.com/features/2014/2/24/5419788/eve-online-thrilling-boring

I've dabbled in the game off and on over the years, but it never quite gripped me. I love reading about the meta drama of the game, though. As has been said in this thread there are really no other games that can match EVE when it comes to player generated drama.

That said, it really is boring game, especially for solo pilots like myself.

 

[Siobhan]

In Eve, it's not just the young. When the devs said the only rule is there are no rules, then there was only one way it could go. When they joined in and gave unique gear to their fave ganker corps, it was a guarantee.

 

[Zetta]

I had a great time in EVE, played for 4-5 years and would still be playing now if I had the time.

The majority of what I did was solo stuff although I did get involved wuth a couple of orgs for maybe a year or so. Most of my time was ninja runs down into nullsec and doing DED sites which was always quite tense, wormhole excursions were also a lot of fun. I used to really enjoy doing the pirate arcs when they became available.

I think what I like most about EVE though is that you have to stay switched on, it's not a game where you can let your guard down and just go through the motions, you need to be a bit paranoid about everyhing when you're playing, obviously that's not for everybody

 

[Mu77ley]

I'm sooo glad I don't have to play EVE anymore. I played it as a temporary stop-gap as there was no modern Elite even on the horizon back in 2003 when it was originally released, but it's not a great game by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[verminstar]

Used to be a great game, played it fer close to 8 years. I was a member of an assasination and infiltration corp of mercs hired out to the highest bidder...we destroyed smaller corps from both the inside and the outside and personal threats were an almost daily thing. Sometimes, it even spilled onto other social media with players named and rewards offered fer real life details...was so funny at the time.

The worst sorta elements was what attracted me in the first place...the ability to play total strangers off against one another and have them fighting each other fer reasons you invented...absolutely classic. When we camped the low sec highways, the rule was simple...if they were aligned to who we worked for, they lost their ship and not their pod, but if they were just random nobodies, they lost both ship and pod in the hope they would come after us seeking revenge...it was our hope they would just to be clear.

Chaos in eve? Just another day at the office tbh...Ive seen far worse and taken part in far worse while I was there. This is nothing more than a PR campaign and nothing more special than that...just looks worse to players not used to it ^

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I thought that was what it is all about? Backstabbins and such?

 

[Darkfyre99]

There's been more chaos in the spreadsheet game.

And people want Elite to be more like this? Unbelievable.

One of the reasons I've never liked guilds in online games. They always seem to devolve into a clash of egos by the guild leaders. Inevitably, one of them leaves, ripping off the guild in the process.

 

[EvE4evah]

There's been more chaos in the spreadsheet game.

And people want Elite to be more like this? Unbelievable.

Uninformed comment from a person who understands nothing of EvE online politics and its players drive to play it.

 

[Siobhan]

Uninformed comment from a person who understands nothing of EvE online politics and its players drive to play it.

6 years experience to be exact.

 

[EvE4evah]

6 years experience to be exact.

Yeah. From someone who has left the game long ago.

I thought that was what it is all about? Backstabbins and such?

Exactly.

 

[EvE4evah]

EVE is a game of immense depth in most of it's aspects. The fact that game's politics and economy is almost exclusively ran by players is amazing. What isn't amazing is that people make a choice of bringing their most vile, cruel, selfish, pathetic traits and share it with others...If not for that fact, EVE would truly be the best MMO in history of gaming. Probably still is, just a tough pill to swallow.

There's lots of good in EvE too, not just evil

 

[Gully Foyle]

Played for a few years but ultimately got bored of all the ganking, flying the ship by clicking on the screen is totally pathetic too.

Those are Eve's major gamebreaking faults in a nutshell. Spreadsheet in space with a garnish of goonswarm.

 

[Caramel Clown]

There's lots of good in EvE too, not just evil

Of course. In every game. However, by my observations competitiveness of a game correlates with toxicity of it's community. EVE is on the extreme end of scale. Stakes are high, and it reflects on a behavior of a big portion of community.

 

[Jezzah]

Of course. In every game. However, by my observations competitiveness of a game correlates with toxicity of it's community. EVE is on the extreme end of scale. Stakes are high, and it reflects on a behavior of a big portion of community.

People say this all the time about EVE and extreme end as a way of putting it is unfair. I played it for 9 years in almost every role possible (aside from scammer). I found the game to have the best and most helpful community i have ever come across in playing mmo games. Yes there are shenanigans amd scamming types in it, but that is part of the game and exists at certain levels. It's part of the excitement at those levels I guess.

For the vast majority I found nothing but helpful and motivated people willing to assist new guys and get them playing the game. Found some fantastic enemies it's worth saying also. The game is very absorbing especially in terms of time and effort, casual gaming it isn't that's for sure, that is why it's viewed that stakes are high most definitely. Toxic is not a word I would ascribe to the 99.9 percent of folk playing the game even with those high stakes.

 

[Blasphemous One]

This might be helpful

[video=youtube;Shhhn6lu0Nc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shhhn6lu0Nc[/video]

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I've tried the free-to-play version.

I think I lasted about twenty minutes, after I had created my avatar. I never got as far as actually playing the full game, because the point-and-click interface is one of the worst I have ever seen. I un-installed in the middle of the tutorial.

The third-person perspective is OK, if you have some idea of what to do....and the mouse controls are obtuse for a new player. The UI is crammed with small icons, symbols, boxes, and other distractions, and the flight control wheel is more like a casino wheel in terms of reliable results.

If someone who has been playing online, and other games for more than five decades uninstalls (in less than half an hour), because of the palpable frustration (and chills from the Dark Side), the game has other problems other than being Evil In A Can.

I think it's a self defense mechanism, protecting me from the Dark Side. Nothing is as powerful as stupidity, and mine saved me.

It gags me to say this, but Frontier was right about something. In implementing solo and private modes , they lightning-rodded the Sealed Evil In A Can from destroying the game. Keeping player-owned assets shut down is part of their defense against letting the Evil Out Of The Can.

Not that I wouldn't like to have a convenience store/gas station Out There, to aid explorers. But, they fear that would be the crack in the dam.

Better to have our marvelously dysfunctional Elite, than EVE.

 

[Jmanis]

Reposting from the locked thread...

So I still play EVE, and I still play Elite.

OP is nothing new really. People have been screwing people for years in that game, it's nothing new and is a vibrant and interesting part of the game. I got screwed once on a share transfer, and I've been part of minor corporations which have been robbed by execs. After having one too many run-ins with self-important armchair generals I struck out on my own, got some investorrs, ran a manufacturing business that grew by 400% in value within six months. I had the opportunity to rob the shareholders blind, but didn't. I also went to a wormhole corp that I could've robbed of a 20billion credit capship, but didn't.

Reason being trust is a commodity in EVE, and I still have it in abundance, and some people build their careers in the game on it. Some alliances and corporations don't trust me because I was part of some other corporation years ago. That's fine though. These days I go wherever I please, highsec, wormhole space, NPC nullsec, Player-owned nullsec. Doesn't matter. I know the game now, I know how to fight on my terms and when to run. But it's all big strategy.

ED isn't big strategy. Even the BGS isn't really big strategy, but day-to-day interactions, although there's some strategy to it. You can see this most in the combat. EVE PvE is "Queue up targets, activate your perma-tank, press F1 to fire your linked weapons, wait for target to pop, select next target, repeat". PvP is much more nuanced, but it's still a lot bigger scale compared to ED which, if you're using fixed turrets, is very much a twitch reflex game, but even with gimballs and turrets, still has a much higher tactical element. It's much lower scale though, and interactivity with the universe is much lower, but it means the actions of a single player are more the focus than the goings-on of the whole universe, and that's fine.

If you're interested in reading more EVE stuff, go look up some of the following:
Guiding Hand Social Club
Ricdic and EBank
Bloodbath of BR5-RB (not scamming, just cool)
Disbanding of Band of Brothers
Phaser Inc
World War Bee

... just to name a few. As far as scams go this is big, but it's far from earth-shattering. Figures quoted at $20k+ of ingame asset damage, but the Bloodbath of BR5-RB clocked in at over $300k (though that wasn't a scam).

I think I lasted about twenty minutes, after I had created my avatar. I never got as far as actually playing the full game, because the point-and-click interface is one of the worst I have ever seen. I un-installed in the middle of the tutorial.

For a new player, EVE and it's UI is incredibly daunting, but everything is meaningful in the UI, and, well...

 

[Jack Schitt]

[...] the pedant in me is screaming at everyone writing EvE right now, EVE or Eve are fine [...]

Ah, as one of the perpetrators I apologise for that. I could have sworn it used to be officially stylised EvE and assumed it still was. My shift finger thanks you in anticipation of future EVE-laden threads.

(If the italics are annoying I can remove those too, but it's something I tend to do with all game, movie, TV, music or book titles.)

I'm also going to be cheeky and re-post a slightly edited version of one of my posts from the other thread, mainly because I'm still curious about whether EVE players are as keen on pressuring CCP to add Elite-style combat to EVE as ED players are on pressuring FD to add EVE-like player agency to ED.

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I love watching these videos and reading about incidents like Burn Jita and the Bloodbath of B-R5RB. They read like alternate history war reports. I absorb them with a mixture of fascination, wry amusement, sometimes borderline disbelief, but always a genuine admiration for the combination of dedication and Machiavellian subterfuge required provided it remains in-game and doesn't spill out into the real world.

But the thought of actually playing it leaves me cold. It's not my thing at all. It's a spectator sport. I'm glad ED has taken a different route, and that each game offers its own take on interacting with a large galaxy.

ED's problem, of course, is that it does the visceral in-cockpit thing so damned well that it inevitably leads to people who want "EVE with cockpits" to push for a more EVE-like structure in ED. I don't hang around on EVE forums for obvious reasons but I am curious: does this happen the other way around? Are there EVE players pressuring CCP to add an Elite-like first-person flight model to EVE? I'm vaguely aware of Vakyrie (which looks amazing) but assumed that was always intended as a side project and not for integration into the main game, where it would be incompatible with the necessary time dilation.

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

I lost a load of ships in my time there, and took a few too. You see I still did PvP back then. Funny, one of the daftest was in a Megathron - nicely geared up at the time. Anyway, jumped through a gate, and...
Reappeared in a pod.
I'd been ganked by a pair during it took the time for the system to rez.

But no, that didn't push me away...

In the end I got tired of the constant whining. Of the scams. Of psychopaths claiming their way was the only way, and oh so much entitlement from PvP corps.
And of too much real money changing hands.

So before you dare to claim to know my mind, look at your own and ask yourself why any sane person would enjoy that gameplay.

Then, once you have your answer, then go away and leave me alone.
No, nobody stole my sweetroll, and yes I took a load of arrows in the knee.

Sigh, bloody milk drinkers.

+1

Love the multiple Skyrim references.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

EVE is without doubt a great game, so many people can't be wrong, but it does not appeal to me in the slightest. I play ED like I played the 1st 3 games in the series, but with the added functionality that MP brings along with what it removes. I am happy with it not being player driven and if it was I frankly would not be playing. Imo let elite be elite and Eve be Eve it's ok to be different