I find remarkable, the recommended PSU power which is modest
Hardware & Technical So Confused: Vega 64 or 1080?
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I find remarkable, the recommended PSU power which is modest
Yeah, I'm usually with red, but the TDP for the Vega is insane.. again. Especially compered to the last nvidia generation, and even to the Polaris chipset. If I get the crazy idea to switch from my RX 480, it's not going to be a Vega I'm afraid :\
Sir may I ask the total budget for your system please
Avoid making people jealous on the forums
Yes, the eternal problem of AMD. It was also a very big problem for CPUs at one time compared with Intel CPUs
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and those 600w are still to high. when going with one of the mid range priced psu avaliable, 500w is enough.
but at least the recommendation is lower then it was years ago, when they recom. at least 700w for one gpu >_>
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Haswell has decent IPC you'll be fine, just explore its overclock limits should be around 4.5Ghz
Sir may I ask the total budget for your system please
I love to have 3 monitors for Dirt games (racing) but don't have an idea how to pick parts.
It's not that bad - a 4770 is a fairly "old" chip now (very capable, of course).
To give you an idea, I just sold an i7 4790K, Asus Ranger VII motherboard, 16GB of DDR3 Ram (1800MHz), and a 650w Corsair CS650M PSU for about AU$550 (£300 roughly). all it needed was an SSD and a GPU. That's a lot of power for not much $$$...
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Sir may I ask the total budget for your system please
I love to have 3 monitors for Dirt games (racing) but don't have an idea how to pick parts.
It has been a while since I built the computer, but it was quite expensive at the time. Keep in mind, I spent a lot because I wanted it to be relevant for a few years. I ran out of money on the video cards so went with the cheaper AMD cards crossfired.
You can do a three screen setup WAY cheaper than I did and still get fantastic results. The best advice I can give: buy cheap = buy twice. Spend the money on the things that really matter - graphics and memory. There are strong arguments for other components like the CPU and HD, but in my experience the GPU and RAM are usually the bottlenecks.
One 1080Ti has more than enough power to run ED at max across three monitors.
I used this mount: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FQSHRK2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and this monitor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AVYNS7M/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Keep in mind this was quite a while ago so you will want to look at the newer models I would think, but you can get the idea. Three monitors changed my gaming life on the PC. I can tell you that with peripheral engagement of your eyes in addition to head tracking have made flying my ASP Explorer (Relative Motion) around that beautiful 'verse.
I hit submit too soon.
I meant to say head tracking and a consuming view make this game shine!
Thanks. The generations of CPUs evolve so fast, that doubt settles every 3-4 years
By and large, the GTX 1080 is a mildly superior gaming part. Very similar performance, but about half the power (and thus cooling) requirements.
Uncap Vega's power limit and a 500-600w PSU starts to look a little anemic.
I don't have a Vega, but I can pull ~400w (DC, at the PCI-E connectors) with a single Hawaii or Fiji part on high-end air cooling if I OC them as far as they'll go with the limiters removed and then stress them. Some people are pulling more with Vega.
The last thirty-thousand dollars of computer hardware I've purchased and my last six years of electricity bills have been paid for by mining...and I haven't been particularly careful with investing it; until recently I sold as I went.
In hindsight, had I just sat on my various crypto stakes and sold them today, I'd be a multi-millionaire. I have a laptop I paid 800 dollars for eight years ago that mined 200 BTC on it's mobile GPU back in the day.
Bitcoin hasn't been profitable to mine on GPUs for almost five years (SHA256 ASICs took over back in early 2013), but yes, there are PoW cryptos that are.
Uncap Vega's power limit and a 500-600w PSU starts to look a little anemic.
I don't have a Vega, but I can pull ~400w (DC, at the PCI-E connectors) with a single Hawaii or Fiji part on high-end air cooling if I OC them as far as they'll go with the limiters removed and then stress them. Some people are pulling more with Vega.
The last thirty-thousand dollars of computer hardware I've purchased and my last six years of electricity bills have been paid for by mining...and I haven't been particularly careful with investing it; until recently I sold as I went.
In hindsight, had I just sat on my various crypto stakes and sold them today, I'd be a multi-millionaire. I have a laptop I paid 800 dollars for eight years ago that mined 200 BTC on it's mobile GPU back in the day.
Bitcoin hasn't been profitable to mine on GPUs for almost five years (SHA256 ASICs took over back in early 2013), but yes, there are PoW cryptos that are.
working bejond the factory defaults isn't what a casual user does.
since the geforce 1 (powered by the pci slot xD), i've never had an issue by building rigs with a 500/550w psu. since i never bought the cheapest ones, even when building rigs for the "poor" customers.
measured on the wall socket: under stress my whole system (i7-6700, gtx1080,...), including 2 monitors, 16port switch, 3 usb hubs and a bunch extra hardware, uses 500-530watt
right now i have built-in a 750w psu, because i want to add a second 1080 or even upgrade to dual 1080ti (depending what happens until Q1/2018)
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Frankly, Vega is a garbage part at factory defaults and if that's a condition of using one, I remove any recommendation I'd otherwise have made. At factory defaults, with the "balanced" profile Vega 64 air will be smashing into it's power limit almost constantly, still consume 1080 TI levels of power, all the while being heavily throttled to sub 1080 non-ti performance.
Most people who know anything are at least raising the power limit slider to +50% on Vega, which goes a long way to making the performance competitive, but pushes peak gaming power consumption well above 300w for the card alone, which is not something you want to run in a performance system with a 500w PSU. More advanced users will also under volt the parts heavily to free up more power and cooling capacity, allowing clocks to scale further.
In the days of the original GeForce 256 (which I'm pretty sure was AGP only), a 350w PSU was plenty. I remember my 380w Enermax being total overkill for my Athlon 700 + GeForce 256 DDR. The original GeForce was a sub-50w part.
Put a Vega 64 in place of that 1080 and with no other changes, using out of box settings, you'll see ~650w at the wall.
A bit of a tight squeeze for two 1080 ti's, but if you aren't increasing the power limit a 750w PSU will be more than sufficient.
You'd still be silly to pair a Vega 64 with a 500w PSU.
yea, but this is nothing someone does who looks for "recommended psu power".
you can be right on the agp slot. my old 3dfx card was pci, replaced it with the geforce back then, so i'm not really sure.
ofc the power usage was a way lower back then, but we always scrubed around the limits, actualy i can't remember if we even bothered about the psu.
could be. don't know when i can set hands on a vega 64, so it's hard to test. :/
if my previous co-workes have some lie around? hmm..
so far i've seen some features of the new vega cards are still locked by drivers, no idea if some of them are lower or raise the power target.
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Just a side note. A PSU is most efficient (therefore the coolest) at 50% load. If you are drawing 500w at the wall ideally you would have a 1000w PSU.
You can use lower spec'd PSU's but they will not run as efficiently.
Just my 2p
Oh and I just replaced my AMD R9 390 with a GTX 1070
You can use lower spec'd PSU's but they will not run as efficiently.
Just my 2p
Oh and I just replaced my AMD R9 390 with a GTX 1070
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Just a side note. A PSU is most efficient (therefore the coolest) at 50% load. If you are drawing 500w at the wall ideally you would have a 1000w PSU.
You can use lower spec'd PSU's but they will not run as efficiently.
Just my 2p
Oh and I just replaced my AMD R9 390 with a GTX 1070
Efficiency curves on decent units are pretty flat from 20-80% load, and even at 100% are tolerable.
In the long run, I'd be more worried about PSU aging. Having a system that runs near the limits of it's power supply when brand new will run into PSU related issues much sooner than one that has surplus power.
I would encourage anyone considering a Vega 64 to read the owners thread here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-rx-vega-64-owners-thread.18789713/
There seem to be quite a few of the LC versions being RMA'd. I was going to wait for the partner LC cards to come out (might be waiting a while) but will definitely want these reliability issues to be addressed before considering one.
There seem to be quite a few of the LC versions being RMA'd. I was going to wait for the partner LC cards to come out (might be waiting a while) but will definitely want these reliability issues to be addressed before considering one.
Avoid the 10xx series? Pascal is one of the best GPU arches ever...low power draw and 30% quicker than the best AMD has to offer
I have a Vega 64 liquid and it absolutely shreds ED at 5860x1080. That's with ultra and 1.5 SS.
However, it does lose badly to a 1080 in some titles, most noticeably PUBG. Vega would be fine for ED but if the cards are the same price and you don't need freesync, I'd probably go Nvidia.
Please. Do even five minutes of research,and you'll see no individual can make money mining bitcoin. you're electric bills will outpace with you earn.
If you're looking for a good card now, NVidia is the way to go. AMD just has nothing compelling that can compete at any of the price points.
the 1080 and 1080ti's are monster boards, and will serve you well.
Bitcoin hasn't been profitable to mine on GPUs since SHA256 FPGAs (which were in turn rapidly depreciated by ASICs) showed up about five years ago, but there are dozens of other cryptos that are.
Time for a new high-end part to pay for itself in the current market is pretty high, and with anything that has solid hashing performance/watt still commanding inflated prices, buying GPUs for the purpose of mining is generally not wise unless one knows exactly what they are doing and can do it on a worthwhile scale. Only reason I'm still profitable (with Ether, Monero, and others) is because I have piles of GPUs already and low electricity costs (which are essentially zero from late fall to early spring as I'd be heating the place otherwise).