Yeah, while I was hoping for more, getting the basic game flushed out before adding the next big thing isn't a bad idea, however, for a full year, the content they've announced doesn't seem like much really.
PSA: ED Beyond is not a season and is not paid for season nr 3
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Yeah, while I was hoping for more, getting the basic game flushed out before adding the next big thing isn't a bad idea, however, for a full year, the content they've announced doesn't seem like much really.
I have no problem with that, but i can already see the "pay2win" threads coming.
We'll have the developing Thargoid story too, so maybe all updates will effectively be 2.4.x, adding QoL stuff & 'secretly' adding in storyline stuff.
Way I see it is that it should be free for everyone granted you already have access to those parts of the game. Like you say if I don't have Horizons then the parts where engineer rolls change you wont get cause ofc you don't have access to that.
But things like the new ships, guild stuff mechanic changes to stuff base players do have access to should be free for non Horizons. To do otherwise just means this new stuff is part of horizons and isn't really a new set of updates.
I mean if the ship and guilds are a new dlc why should horizons get it free over base players and why would base players not just buy Horizons instead of only guilds and ships?
Dunno but base game players should not get nickled and dimed with a "cash shop" that sells ships any more than Horizons players.
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While I agree, and that's how the last two years have gone, there are some ships that are exclusive to Horizons owners (ie Beluga) so we really don't know.
I agree. Fdev should not gate anything behind Horizon's other than stuff that directly relates, as you said.
I'm avoiding any problems like this by referring to everything as 'stuff' from this point onwards. Thus we have some stuff for 2018 and after that we may have some more stuff that we pay for and some more stuff that is free. I think FDev should adopt this policy.
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See, it's catching on already.
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See, it's catching on already.
I only got $5 off my Horizons purchase as an original ED owner. So altogether I paid more then $100 for the same content that a new player coming into Horizons would get for $50.
Only morals being stepped on here are by ED. So, like I said, I wouldn't pay for the "Beyond" update if they charged again. I've paid enough for this game.
Frontier is moving to a more inclusive model, where core changes to mechanics are within a set release base. This leaves the door open to keeping core in core, and extra stuff, in extra stuff. Honestly I think they should just drag everyone up to 2.x and then build from there, so there is a consistent baseline. But I'm not the developer.
Yes I know, mac users and 64 bit. You can't maintain history forever; even with the best of intentions. Anyhoo. Frontier's made it pretty clear, at least, so this is a promising sign. The slightly confused choices of what was and wasn't in Horizons probably didn't help. So a simpler model going forward, sounds like a darn fine plan.
Carry on, as you were. o7
Yes I know, mac users and 64 bit. You can't maintain history forever; even with the best of intentions. Anyhoo. Frontier's made it pretty clear, at least, so this is a promising sign. The slightly confused choices of what was and wasn't in Horizons probably didn't help. So a simpler model going forward, sounds like a darn fine plan.
Carry on, as you were. o7
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I paid 12 euros for the base game in 2015 (on sale) and pre-ordered Horizon for like 30 euros. I paid around 120 euros for Battlefield Premium games etc. So for me Elite Dangerous was way cheaper, considering that I played for 2 years already. At this point in time, not having Horizon is an insult to this game. Come on, FD, take my 25 euros for a real season 3! This won't be cheap for me, though: 2 pc accounts and one on Xbox, for me and the kid.
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I have a feeling they may do that at the end of the new series of updates. Lets say we get a new paid for expansion for Xmas 2018. It would make sense to roll horizons in to the base game. Those that have horizons have already had the use of it for a number of years so shouldn't complain. Also the base game is pretty cheap at the moment, so not a big deal going forward.
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I.e. moving towards actual P2W.
That would be the kind of change that'd see me hang up my CMDR hat for good. I'll pay £20 for the same expansion everyone else is buying; I am not paying for every little piece of actual content FD decide to implement.
@Dreamstate I'm not really "replying" to you as much as I chose your post to hang my own thoughts off
I want atmospheric planets as much as the next guy, but I think this is at least 2 years away. It is possible that the Jurassic World work might translate to populate worlds with flora and fauna (imagine being chased by a T-Rex like beast in your SRV!) but even so it would still be a lot of work to integrate that in, and Elite has the additional issue that you have to render those assets from space and during the transition to landing, which is not an issue JW has to deal with.
Additionally I think Space legs is at least 3 years away, because I cannot see that it adds any real gameplay to Elite until we can get out on said atmospheric/inhabited planets. You might argue for an FPS mini-game akin to Arena to come sooner, but I don't think the majority of existing Elite players would be all that excited about this, so I don't see it as a high priority for Frontier. The other tack you might take is to argue for boarding of player ships.. but this sort of PvP focussed gameplay also doesn't seem to be the sort of gameplay the majority of current players want (at least from where I'm sitting). This is, I think, why we're seeing Beyond updates to Mining and Exploration (in addition to those gameplay areas not seeing much love as yet).
On the topic of "season 3".. I suspect the reason "Beyond" is not a season and is free is because it's mainly core gameplay updates and things that the community might well have expected (and Frontier wanted) to be there on day 1. Essentially I think that charging for it would have "annoyed" enough of the community that it's just not "worth it" and so instead they opted for the "win" which comes from "giving it away" (ultimately this is an investment which will return more in the long term by having more (heavily invested) players).
Don't mistake me here, I'm not suggesting anything underhanded in this decision. I suspect it was prompted by the generosity Frontier have shown the community time and again in addition to being a sensible business decision. If Frontier were in a position where they really needed the revenue then despite wanting to "give it away" they might have been forced into charging for it. But as they're in a very strong position they can afford to "invest" the work now for the long term benefit, which is just good news for all of us loyal fans.
Of course, being a lifetime expansion holder I do briefly wonder why I bothered .. not seriously of course. David said himself at the Frontier Expo in response to Qs; He feels that Frontier have really "only just begun" with Elite Dangerous so my lifetime expansion will cover many more years of updates and features to come.
I want atmospheric planets as much as the next guy, but I think this is at least 2 years away. It is possible that the Jurassic World work might translate to populate worlds with flora and fauna (imagine being chased by a T-Rex like beast in your SRV!) but even so it would still be a lot of work to integrate that in, and Elite has the additional issue that you have to render those assets from space and during the transition to landing, which is not an issue JW has to deal with.
Additionally I think Space legs is at least 3 years away, because I cannot see that it adds any real gameplay to Elite until we can get out on said atmospheric/inhabited planets. You might argue for an FPS mini-game akin to Arena to come sooner, but I don't think the majority of existing Elite players would be all that excited about this, so I don't see it as a high priority for Frontier. The other tack you might take is to argue for boarding of player ships.. but this sort of PvP focussed gameplay also doesn't seem to be the sort of gameplay the majority of current players want (at least from where I'm sitting). This is, I think, why we're seeing Beyond updates to Mining and Exploration (in addition to those gameplay areas not seeing much love as yet).
On the topic of "season 3".. I suspect the reason "Beyond" is not a season and is free is because it's mainly core gameplay updates and things that the community might well have expected (and Frontier wanted) to be there on day 1. Essentially I think that charging for it would have "annoyed" enough of the community that it's just not "worth it" and so instead they opted for the "win" which comes from "giving it away" (ultimately this is an investment which will return more in the long term by having more (heavily invested) players).
Don't mistake me here, I'm not suggesting anything underhanded in this decision. I suspect it was prompted by the generosity Frontier have shown the community time and again in addition to being a sensible business decision. If Frontier were in a position where they really needed the revenue then despite wanting to "give it away" they might have been forced into charging for it. But as they're in a very strong position they can afford to "invest" the work now for the long term benefit, which is just good news for all of us loyal fans.
Of course, being a lifetime expansion holder I do briefly wonder why I bothered
.. not seriously of course. David said himself at the Frontier Expo in response to Qs; He feels that Frontier have really "only just begun" with Elite Dangerous so my lifetime expansion will cover many more years of updates and features to come.
With the surge of the microbuck and lootcrate lately, I guess that is the way. However, scanning a list of hundred DLC and figure out what is crap and what is worth playing isn't going to be popular. Nor would be nickel and diming for petty stuff. In any case, I expect they will rather be more or less feature complete than Early Access like Horizon.
Of course, being a lifetime expansion holder I do briefly wonder why I bothered
This was biggest clash between reality at Frontier Expo and what's going on here on virtual world and forums - FD devs seem to be quite confident about both current game and plan ahead. Yes, they admit mistakes - David redfaced when I mentioned NPCs ignoring Thargoids - but to be frank, I would be proud about ED too.
/cue white knight picture before any trolls do
That's good news, it should be pretty easy to address those 'forum issues' then?
Which issues you are talk about? Those which are easy to fix?
Which issues were you talking about?
