This community is 'different'
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Just stopped by to give you +rep to counterbalance the 50,000 "yer stoopid" responses.
Plus "why don we has it NAO!!!"...
When I bought this game, I knew what I was buying - basically a prototype, almost like a beta test. Things would be introduced; problems would be tested; basic assets would be deepened and detailed over time. I was paying for the development of the game.That was fine by me; I've paid more for crappy games that are done, even with alternative play goals, in about 20 hours. I have 2k+ hours in this game and it has only gotten better for me.
It seems to me to be the skimmers and the min-maxxers and the chew-it-all-up-at-once guys who get a game, obsess on it 16 hrs a day until they have all the toys and ranks and then it's on to the next short-time fix who seem to think that they know far more about what FD should do than FD. I don't get that. The threats about "I'll take my money elsewhere!" are the most... uh... naive things I've heard in awhile. FD has the balance sheets. They just laid out a roadmap for a couple years.
The ones that get me the most are the ones who inevitably say, "I quit playing the game because..." and yet, here they are, active on the forums with negative "reviews" and impossible wish-lists and the whole panoply of Disgruntled Game Player and they keep on coming to... what? Change FD's mind? Make a whole lotta gamers join them in their crusade to... well... it gets silly.
"If you don't like a game, just get another one you do like" just doesn't seem to get through to them. [shrug] Luckily, I have Groups of people to play with that are fun and interesting.
Plus "why don we has it NAO!!!"...
When I bought this game, I knew what I was buying - basically a prototype, almost like a beta test. Things would be introduced; problems would be tested; basic assets would be deepened and detailed over time. I was paying for the development of the game.That was fine by me; I've paid more for crappy games that are done, even with alternative play goals, in about 20 hours. I have 2k+ hours in this game and it has only gotten better for me.
It seems to me to be the skimmers and the min-maxxers and the chew-it-all-up-at-once guys who get a game, obsess on it 16 hrs a day until they have all the toys and ranks and then it's on to the next short-time fix who seem to think that they know far more about what FD should do than FD. I don't get that. The threats about "I'll take my money elsewhere!" are the most... uh... naive things I've heard in awhile. FD has the balance sheets. They just laid out a roadmap for a couple years.
The ones that get me the most are the ones who inevitably say, "I quit playing the game because..." and yet, here they are, active on the forums with negative "reviews" and impossible wish-lists and the whole panoply of Disgruntled Game Player and they keep on coming to... what? Change FD's mind? Make a whole lotta gamers join them in their crusade to... well... it gets silly.
"If you don't like a game, just get another one you do like" just doesn't seem to get through to them. [shrug] Luckily, I have Groups of people to play with that are fun and interesting.
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Yes, I have my strong opinions about that aspect of the forum, but I have to agree with you; the mods have cut me a lot of slack when they could have just as easily put me on the bench. I disagree with certain aspects, but judging the moderation as an entire "program" I have to say that they do it about as well as it can be done. Now that I'm Elite maybe they'll let me be a mod, too?
Pics or it didn't happen.
Show us just one post of anyone 'attacking everything that is said, everything that wasn't said and everything that is inferred.'
That is going to be long quote attacking EVERYTHING that wasn't said but I have time to read it.
Nice troll attempt.
3/10.
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You know, up until quite recently I moderated comments for The New York Times. I worked on it all through the last presidential election and its immediate aftermath. Maybe that's why this place seems like a bastion of politeness and civility to me. 
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NecoMachina
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You know what, you're gonna get your wish. You think people who think the game is in a poor state right now should just shut up and go play something else? Done. You get your wish. This was the straw that broke the camel's back. 19 pages of people having civil conversation. Nobody has bashed the game or the devs. And STILL we have people saying that if you are critical of the game you are "naive" or "silly".
So screw it. I'm out. I'm not happy with the state of the game, which is why I'm here on the forums trying to engage with the devs. But I'm sick to death of getting called names, having my opinions dismissed, being called a whiner, etc.
The good old days of Compute! magazine, Byte, and several others. I remember reading them and poring over the print during lunch breaks, looking for obvious errors, before I'd type it all in when I got home. LOL
Mine were on the Applie IIe.
Actually we had these posts from people both hating the game and OP but they got deleted by the mods because (as always) they were insulting and rude. IIRC two people got banned from the forums after posting in this thread, which should show you how bad it actually is.
Anyway, if people don't like a game so much that they will never play it again, it probably is the best if they move on to another game they like. It's very unlikely that FDEV changes the game into something completely different, and many people don't want that because they like certain aspects of the game. I can't see what's so wrong with relayers's post. "I'll stop playing / take my money elsewhere" just sucks as an argument.
Person X: "I'll leave the game if you don't change the flight model into something completely different. You are bad developers and you don't know what you are doing."
Me: "I'll leave the game if they do change the flight model, so get lost!"
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The reason some people see white knights everywhere is pretty simple:
Almost every person on this forum likes certain aspects of the game, otherwise they wouldn't be here (apart from the real trolls). So let's say you like 75% and you start complaining about the remaining 25%. Now chances are very high that these 25% are part of the 75% of the other people, so naturally they are going to tell you that they like these mechanics. Unless you go somewhere where the majority hates the game (Reddit for example, just joking though), chances are pretty high that people will disagree with you. Not because they think the game is perfect, but because they just think the issues are in a different area.
Almost every person on this forum likes certain aspects of the game, otherwise they wouldn't be here (apart from the real trolls). So let's say you like 75% and you start complaining about the remaining 25%. Now chances are very high that these 25% are part of the 75% of the other people, so naturally they are going to tell you that they like these mechanics. Unless you go somewhere where the majority hates the game (Reddit for example, just joking though), chances are pretty high that people will disagree with you. Not because they think the game is perfect, but because they just think the issues are in a different area.
Yes but some of these people are just... wrong
For example people who repeat "ED can not have an end game", as a response to calls for a better metagame like player owned structures and outposts.
It was the same for Planetside 2, people saying we could not have Spitfire turrets, orbital strikes and construction because "PS2 is not that game". Even though the first one had it, but these people just had no clue and mostly never played it to be able to formulate an informed opinion.
Only after those folks finally got bored and left, the game progressed - but too little, too late.
For example people who repeat "ED can not have an end game", as a response to calls for a better metagame like player owned structures and outposts.
It was the same for Planetside 2, people saying we could not have Spitfire turrets, orbital strikes and construction because "PS2 is not that game". Even though the first one had it, but these people just had no clue and mostly never played it to be able to formulate an informed opinion.
Only after those folks finally got bored and left, the game progressed - but too little, too late.
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The good old days of Compute! magazine, Byte, and several others. I remember reading them and poring over the print during lunch breaks, looking for obvious errors, before I'd type it all in when I got home. LOL
Mine were on the Applie IIe.
Anyone here collect the "input" magazines? They were fab. That said programming without knowing what I was doing spending hrs trying to debug only to learn in next issue there was a typo..... That was soul destroying.
That and Sinclair user /your Sinclair took most of my pocket money iirc
(Sorry OT I know but surly the OP has to be covered now with every angle covered?)
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Op here so it is okay if I go off topic lol
You know what is worse that a typo in the magazine, the one time my sister decided to cut a page out of the magazine cos it had a pretty picture on it, Of course the other side had the last third of the program I had spent the previous day labouredly typing in. Nearly ended up an only child after that
Lol . Yeah I can imagine
Back on topic. I skirt close to the line sometimes and have a few yellow cards.
My big weakness and guaranteed trigger is not someone unhappy about the game OR disagreeing with someone about improvements..... It is those who throw the carebear/snowflake/ coward line at those who dare to play in a way unable to "interact" with a section of the player base. I daresay my comments in another thread may be chancing it when the mods wake up this morning.
I think the term is troll feeder and I am not proud of it.
I will say 1 thing. The disagreements about the game will last for the life of the game.... And the moment they stop imo it means no one cares enough and THAT is when the game is in dire straits imo.
I just hope ED never has a "mechwarrior online" moment. There the Devs really ripped the hearts out of the early backers.
. Yeah I can imagineBack on topic. I skirt close to the line sometimes and have a few yellow cards.
My big weakness and guaranteed trigger is not someone unhappy about the game OR disagreeing with someone about improvements..... It is those who throw the carebear/snowflake/ coward line at those who dare to play in a way unable to "interact" with a section of the player base. I daresay my comments in another thread may be chancing it when the mods wake up this morning.
I think the term is troll feeder and I am not proud of it.
I will say 1 thing. The disagreements about the game will last for the life of the game.... And the moment they stop imo it means no one cares enough and THAT is when the game is in dire straits imo.
I just hope ED never has a "mechwarrior online" moment. There the Devs really ripped the hearts out of the early backers.
I think this thread starts to be an example of how threads (especially on gaming forums) evolve and drift into meaningless discussions about opinions and off topic stuff. This it also the point where many participant stop participating, because the original topic is dead anyway and it turned into a narcissistic shoot-from-cover ping pong game. I think that's also why many, many threads are so very long and it's mostly really no use to read beyond page 5 of any thread.
I'm signing off now, for example.
I'm signing off now, for example.
Lol
Back on topic. I skirt close to the line sometimes and have a few yellow cards.
My big weakness and guaranteed trigger is not someone unhappy about the game OR disagreeing with someone about improvements..... It is those who throw the carebear/snowflake/ coward line at those who dare to play in a way unable to "interact" with a section of the player base. I daresay my comments in another thread may be chancing it when the mods wake up this morning.
I think the term is troll feeder and I am not proud of it.
I will say 1 thing. The disagreements about the game will last for the life of the game.... And the moment they stop imo it means no one cares enough and THAT is when the game is in dire straits imo.
I just hope ED never has a "mechwarrior online" moment. There the Devs really ripped the hearts out of the early backers.
Well said Mike! It might surprise some here but even (apparently) me, the Whitest Knight going have had a few messages from the Mods telling me to I have stepped over the line and each and every instance was when I was complaining about some aspect of the game. Yes, me complaining, who would have thunk that!
I can't remember if I have seen anyone religiously post only upmost praise for the game and vehemently attack any and all that disagree. In my time here I have got to recognise a few of the regulars and apart from a couple, most are fairly well done the line, they support the game but also will bring up faults and problems as they see them. The difference is a lot of the posters I am talking about complain constructively. Not only raising (or agreeing) the problem, but explaining why they don't like it and even suggesting ways it could be fixed. My original rant was those who jump on the forum and their posts basically state: 'FD Sucks', or 'This game is so boring, I quit a month ago', 'There is only grind here, I want my money back', or the now classic 'Star Citizen is a million times better than this heap of biological waste'. Those are just trolls and unfortunately, us 'White Knights' (who are sometimes black or at least a dark grey) will defend the game and speaking only for myself, I make no apologies about that.
On a slightly different topic, I am quite saddened to hear that two people who posted here evidently got banned. It was never my intention to make this such an emotive thread, although in hindsight maybe I should have just shut up and not said anything.
It's usually just a timeout for several days, so they'll be back soon. No need to worry, they are old enough and know what they are doing