Just don't get it

verminstar

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So. I've been feeling depressed recently. To the point that I've finally admitted it and start therapy. One of the things I do to relax is play games, but I'm finding Elite (a game that I love) to be disheartening.

The Frontier Expo gave me an anxiety attack and I left after the second talk having failed to meet anyone. Yet afterwards I heard all these people going on about the great community and stuff... I just felt alone.

I started listening to Lave Radio again (though the most recent rambling podcast made me think that's not likely) only to realise that Mobius that I'd been in since it basically started was now too big and they had a Facebook account and stuff... And they wanted me to fill in forms to join it. So I left the group.

I'd been recently playing in Open because I wanted to try and get some interaction with people and had had a couple of fun chats.

Then last night I was interdicted by a wing of two guys who proceeded to try and kill me. No request that I drop my cargo (or a scan to see if I had cargo). I have no bounties on my head and no faction allegiance. They just wanted to bully someone.

I escaped and after getting into Hyperspace dropped out into Solo (just as they interdicted me again). If I play Elite again it'll probably be in Solo.

I needed to post this somewhere because the anger and hurt I felt last night is still bubbling away. I love flying my space planes but I wish I could find this community people keep talking about.

I've been playing solo fer something approaching two years now...this fabled great community is a myth I'm afraid. It exists in little pockets and a few private groups, but by and large, it really is just a single player game with other players.

There's no support fer guilds and clans...the chat interface is a running joke and what little information comes from fd while ingame is absolutely pathetic.

I would suggest severely lowering yer expectations...this ain't never gonna be that sorta game with major fundamental changes where frontier stop trying to be special and individual...they just fail at it and their 3 or 4 year history merely confirms that.

It's technically a multiplayer game populated with multiple single players. Whatever community yer hoping to find simply doesn't exist...it used to but doesn't anymore outside a couple hundred fanboys who keep the candle lit on the myth.

Play something else fer a bit then chill out here on yer tod...as fer open, well that's what open is like so if Ye go there of yer own free will then Ye do so knowing that's what's gonna happen sooner or later and complaining afterwards falls on deaf ears...seen it all and heard it all many times before ^
 
I am sorry to hear of your struggles. As for finding a community that fits you in Open, you have the best chance by finding a player group that is into similar things.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/65-Dangerous-Groups

If you dont, Open is a 'basket of the best and the worst', and chance dictates which you'll run in to.

Scimon, sorry to hear of your struggles also.

As you can see already, most people in the forum are helpful and friendly.

Second Sleutelbos' suggestion to check out smaller player groups.

Maybe even join a Power Play group if you have interest in that.

Else, can always stay active on the forum.
 
I float between Mobius and my own PG regularly. Once in a rare while I'll stick my nose in Open, usually far from "civilized" space, but not because anything bad has ever happened to me in Open, but because I find it too unstable to be playable. It could be that my usual play times typically find me up to my eyes in Kiwis and Pommies with Can-and-String-Net, but my experiences remind me of the early days of dial-up online gaming - the real early days - so I just don't spend time there.
 
I feel for you regarding the depression and anxiety. I know what the anxiety can get like and how it physically effects you as well as mentally. I also think Elite helps me here but I stay in open as 80% of the time there is zero interaction with other cmdrs, 15% positive interaction ranging from the quick round of '07' up to nice text chats while at a POI or around a station etc. I haven't winged up with anyone apart from a fuel rat once on a rescue. (the fuel rat call was one of my fondest elite memory due to the positive cmdr interaction) and the final 5% the gankers. I don't mind getting blown up by cmdrs if they are playing the part but no chat, no warning, no demands just getting blown up by a engineered large vessel because they are bored really does irk me.

However, the positives really outweigh the negatives of open for me so I will continue to go about in open and put up with the minor annoyances.
 
Folks I'm personally non religious but please don't bash on those who are. I know some people who do great things through their churches. It's just not for me.

I'm afraid this is way off topic, but I strongly disagree with this statement. There are some good people in religious organisations, but it doesn't mean the organisations themselves or those helping spread their word should be spared criticism. Religions pray on those in need with promises of easy fixes to life's problems if only they accept their way of life and whatever 1000 year old morals go along with it.

Anyways, welcome back to Mobius :) I've never found any unpleasant interactions with other players there, and it is nice to see other commanders flying about even if you don't interact with them. Hope Elite can be a pleasant experience for you again :)
 
Hey OP, I get the deps too... lots.
Therapy didn't really do it for me once it got past the science and "why" stage....

ED helps a bit. Something you can lose yourself in and forget all the .

I guess I let my mood dictate my mode.

I think I know when I'm heading for a down when I get the explorer's itch! (Yeah, exploration is my only elite)

Usually I'm a bubble monkey.

As for the interaction in game, I've built a couple of ships that are highly engineered toward survival, and feel loads better in those if I'm feeling bad.

I've been ganked a few times. None of it is ever personal. Ever.

Try some PvP when all is well and you're feeling strong. Gives you a different perspective. And many PvPers want to help.
 
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I needed to post this somewhere because the anger and hurt I felt last night is still bubbling away. I love flying my space planes but I wish I could find this community people keep talking about.
Good luck with your depression issues. Seek out help for it, if you haven't already. It can be managed.

I'd suggest a PG like Mobius. Good community of folks there and very little chance of idiocy. I was jumped twice by CMDR's in Open and killed without reason. Someone gave me the same advice at the time and I never regretted it. I do play in Open on occasion, but I choose when and where. It's nice to have options.

Cheers.
 
He said he's already suffering depression.

As an ordained minister, I'll take offence there. Not much offence, but some. Off topic, for sure, but there is scientific evidence that having and practicing faith, any faith, is just plain good for a person.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-health-dr-harold-koenig-skeptical-scientists - non-secular, plain old news article

http://www.sbclife.net/Articles/1997/12/sla16 - highly secular report regarding the same.

http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Headline/prayer-health-faith-medicine/2015/03/31/id/635623/ - another non-secular article.

There may never be any true "hard evidence", but when you're unwell, anything that helps helps.

Heathy Body, Health Mind, Healthy Spirit - and that's all I have to say about that.
 
So here's a thing in the whole I don't get the random attacks thing. If I was going to be a pirate I'd TOTALLY do it in Open and target PC's.

Here's how I'd do it.

First up get a wing, 1 freighter and a selection of attack craft, if possible something meaty to slow jump spin up.

Next find a good place to sell the haul, an Anarchy close to the bubble would be good. Somewhere you can retreat to.

Then it piracy time, pick a system, pick targets, interdict them and then give them the pirate spiel.

"Hi, Don't run or we will shoot. If you drop some cargo now we'll let you go. We're going to scan you and we'll know if you're got anything nice."

Important thing is don't shoot unless they shoot first or they try and run. Heck try and not gain bounty if you can get away with it (but accept it if it happens).

Do this for a while then pick a new system. Every once in a while pop home and sell you ill gotten goods.

See.... if THAT happened to me when I'm flying along with 4 tons of mission prizes I haven't got round to selling yet I'd totally drop them. (Or in my Fer De Lance maybe even try fighting back... maybe not 5 v 1 though).

Just ganking people though... I just don't see the point.

Like I say, PC's will react better than AI pilots. You'll need hatch breakers for them. If you do it well a PC may well just drop their stuff.

Again. Thanks for all your kind words.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we not talk about religion. As Yaffle said.
 
Unfortunately, if you're looking for positive social interaction, Elite isn't the best type of game for that.
Not that there's not good or friendly people playing the game, but the social tools are weak, plus the player base is very spread out.

As far as joining a private group is concerned, I'd actually recommend against Mobius. Nothing against them, but it's so huge, it's basically just an 'Open PvE' mode. Everyone going about doing their own thing, just without the risk of the ganking. :)
You'd probably be better off finding a smaller group, where you can get to know a bunch of the members and maybe coordinate some gametime with them.
 
So here's a thing in the whole I don't get the random attacks thing. If I was going to be a pirate I'd TOTALLY do it in Open and target PC's.

Here's how I'd do it.

First up get a wing, 1 freighter and a selection of attack craft, if possible something meaty to slow jump spin up.

Next find a good place to sell the haul, an Anarchy close to the bubble would be good. Somewhere you can retreat to.

Then it piracy time, pick a system, pick targets, interdict them and then give them the pirate spiel.

"Hi, Don't run or we will shoot. If you drop some cargo now we'll let you go. We're going to scan you and we'll know if you're got anything nice."

Important thing is don't shoot unless they shoot first or they try and run. Heck try and not gain bounty if you can get away with it (but accept it if it happens).

Do this for a while then pick a new system. Every once in a while pop home and sell you ill gotten goods.

See.... if THAT happened to me when I'm flying along with 4 tons of mission prizes I haven't got round to selling yet I'd totally drop them. (Or in my Fer De Lance maybe even try fighting back... maybe not 5 v 1 though).

Just ganking people though... I just don't see the point.

Like I say, PC's will react better than AI pilots. You'll need hatch breakers for them. If you do it well a PC may well just drop their stuff.

Again. Thanks for all your kind words.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we not talk about religion. As Yaffle said.

You've got the right idea! [up]

Personally I prefer to act alone in my nefarious deeds as I don't have to split the loot :D

But that sure sounds like fun! I hope you give it a try :)
 
Y'know, I absolutely agree with the OP.

For most of us, the logical part of our brains accepts that some people will just act like tools and that will soothe the emotional part of us that abhors ish behavior.
If you're struggling to achieve that balance, I think playing a game like ED could be very frustrating.

When it comes to hooking up with people in ED, it's not easy to do it in a consistent manner.
I've met some people who were super-friendly and had some fun times.
The problem is that you're never going to find people who're always interested in doing the same stuff as you, at the same time as you.
Even if you've spend a week doing, say, the Ancient Ruins mission with a couple of people, eventually they're going to want to spend time grinding for mat's, chasing credits or ranking-up or something else that isn't really a "team sport".

I'll admit, I'm speaking from a position of ignorance here but I think ED could use a more high-profile method of quickly hooking up with friendly people to go and do stuff right now.
Perhaps something as simple as a forum thread for people who want a bit of company while they're doing specific things or, perhaps, a discord channel or something?

More specifically, I'd suggest the OP makes the effort to get (back?) into Mobius, at least.
It's really only one online registration form which takes about 30 seconds to fill in so it's worth the effort to ensure that you don't meet up with tools.
 
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