Surface Features - Barnacles/Unknown Structures/Crashed Ships etc...

[acidburn2k20]

You may well be correct about a crash site with two separate crash events; however I thought the statement that "the Thargoid is 100 years old" was intended to apply to the goid scout on HIP.... and it may be that this goid crash is more recent.

It may also be that the age statement is disinformation.

unfortunately without anyway to date the thargoid or the unknown wrecks i can only assume date from other crash sites. but there is a tourist beacon in orbit, that i have never really scanned yet maybe i should later and see what info it has.

as for the crash site itself, the age of the site is maybe 25 - 100 years old depending on any additional information. the thargoid ship appears to be of an unknown class type, as it appears smaller than the cyclops but bigger than the scout. and the unknown human wreckage seems unrecognisable due to the damage, which if there was at least one bit of date able evidence would make it easy.

as a side note to who ever said the SRV was damaged by carrying unknown artifacts, it is possible but for the fact there are blast marks on the SRV

 

[Louis Calvert]

You may well be correct about a crash site with two separate crash events; however I thought the statement that "the Thargoid is 100 years old" was intended to apply to the goid scout on HIP.... and it may be that this goid crash is more recent.

It may also be that the age statement is disinformation.

The ship it's talking about is the one in Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4 but that's the same type of ship as the one in HIP 17403 afaik. It's not certain they are going to be dated the same, but I think the general idea is that they're hinting that the Mycoid infection and/or the general retreat of Thargoids from the Pleiades (approx 150 years ago) is roughly concurrent with the crashes.

Here's the Galnet article:

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14 OCT 3303

Some of the galaxy’s leading Thargoid experts have been discussing the discovery of a new alien ship in the HIP 17125 system.

Images of the crashed vessel reveal that it is structurally distinct from the Thargoid Interceptor, while sharing many superficial similarities. The ship has been classified as a ‘Thargoid Scout’ by the Pilots Federation for the purposes of identification and differentiation.

Discussing the discovery on the ‘Galaxy Now’ programme, Admiral Aden Tanner, Aegis’s chief military liaison, said:

“There are clear similarities between this ship and the Interceptor, both of which appear to be made from a quasi-organic material. It would be logical to extrapolate from the ship’s profile that it would be faster and perhaps more manoeuvrable than the Interceptor, but I’d be reluctant to speculate further.”

Speaking on the same programme, Professor Alba Tesreau, also of Aegis, commented:

“Recent analysis of the Thargoid shipwreck in the Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4 system indicates that it is a little over 100 years old, despite being extremely similar, if not identical, to the currently active Thargoid Interceptor. This suggests that Thargoid ship design does not change particularly rapidly, and also that the shipwreck in HIP 17125 could be equally old.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNYLimSWsAAANXV.jpg

before i begin my DBX is there for reference purposes.

in the picture above there looks to be 1 thargoid ship, 4 intact ships of known types and 1 burn't wreck of unknown type of human ship. hidden under the T-9 on the ground is the second wreck of unknown human ship which like i said was crushed by the T-9 when it fell. the reason i believe that there was possibly 2 salvage events instead of just 1 is the weathering on the anaconda's looks to be more advanced than the T-9's but it is also possible that the anaconda and T-9 on the ground were one group and the second anaconda and T-9 on the mountain were a second group.

as for the age and timeline i was going from other theories about the age, and was wondering myself how old the Type 9 design was, because to be honest if the 2 wrecks and the thargoid are 100 years old and the Type 9 is say 50 years old. the question is how did 2 Type 9's get destroyed by a thargoid ship when they possibly were not even built at the time? and even then how did they get there when most ships 100 yrs ago stuggled to get across the bubble?

this is why me and modish posted here in the hopes that we might get help understanding the site, and also it is one of the bigger crash sites found yet no one really looked at it in detail.

P.S. the 2 Wrecks seem to be T-9's but due to the extreme damage and deterioration it was hard to confirm this

Makes sense! The wrecks do all look really old, considering it's an airless planet they are really worn, it would surely take more than a couple of years to do that, that does lend a lot to your ideas about them being really old.

 

[acidburn2k20]

The ship it's talking about is the one in Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4 but that's the same type of ship as the one in HIP 17403 afaik. It's not certain they are going to be dated the same, but I think the general idea is that they're hinting that the Mycoid infection and/or the general retreat of Thargoids from the Pleiades (approx 150 years ago) is roughly concurrent with the crashes.

Here's the Galnet article:

Spoiler

14 OCT 3303

Some of the galaxy’s leading Thargoid experts have been discussing the discovery of a new alien ship in the HIP 17125 system.

Images of the crashed vessel reveal that it is structurally distinct from the Thargoid Interceptor, while sharing many superficial similarities. The ship has been classified as a ‘Thargoid Scout’ by the Pilots Federation for the purposes of identification and differentiation.

Discussing the discovery on the ‘Galaxy Now’ programme, Admiral Aden Tanner, Aegis’s chief military liaison, said:

“There are clear similarities between this ship and the Interceptor, both of which appear to be made from a quasi-organic material. It would be logical to extrapolate from the ship’s profile that it would be faster and perhaps more manoeuvrable than the Interceptor, but I’d be reluctant to speculate further.”

Speaking on the same programme, Professor Alba Tesreau, also of Aegis, commented:

“Recent analysis of the Thargoid shipwreck in the Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4 system indicates that it is a little over 100 years old, despite being extremely similar, if not identical, to the currently active Thargoid Interceptor. This suggests that Thargoid ship design does not change particularly rapidly, and also that the shipwreck in HIP 17125 could be equally old.”

Makes sense! The wrecks do all look really old, considering it's an airless planet they are really worn, it would surely take more than a couple of years to do that, that does lend a lot to your ideas about them being really old.

the only unanswered questions i have are these and any help answering them will be much appreciated:

1, what class of ship are the unknown wrecks and were they capable of damaging the thargoid ship?
2a, what class of ship is the thargoid ship? and 2b, could the ship still be active? as there seems to be sounds coming from it that are consistent with live thargoid calls.
3, why were the 2 anaconda's and T-9's there and how did they find the wreck site? also where did the battle damage come from on the 2 ships on the ground?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

the only unanswered questions i have are these and any help answering them will be much appreciated:

1, what class of ship are the unknown wrecks and were they capable of damaging the thargoid ship?
2a, what class of ship is the thargoid ship? and 2b, could the ship still be active? as there seems to be sounds coming from it that are consistent with live thargoid calls.
3, why were the 2 anaconda's and T-9's there and how did they find the wreck site? also where did the battle damage come from on the 2 ships on the ground?

Stretching my memory again, but isn't the multi-crash site the outcome of the treasure hunt set by the 2.2 (2.3??) trailer. There may be some background in those clues.

edit: nope, my mistake. Just checked the Wiki & the Hunt led to the crash on Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4, & AEGIS said that one is some 100years old.
Really should learn to check things before posting, sorry!

 

[Louis Calvert]

the only unanswered questions i have are these and any help answering them will be much appreciated:

1, what class of ship are the unknown wrecks and were they capable of damaging the thargoid ship?
2a, what class of ship is the thargoid ship? and 2b, could the ship still be active? as there seems to be sounds coming from it that are consistent with live thargoid calls.
3, why were the 2 anaconda's and T-9's there and how did they find the wreck site? also where did the battle damage come from on the 2 ships on the ground?

1) - It's meta I know, but those wreck parts are the same parts as you get in the generic wreck POI on the ground and in space. I'm not sure they belong to anything specific and just "wrecked ship parts". Sadly it means there might be no ways to determine what they were supposed to be by examining wreckage and things. In Lore we know that many older classes were scrapped because they couldn't be converted to FSD, so... it could be ships that literally don't exist any more (and so we've never seen them not-wrecked).

2a) (source) Here's a reconstruction by CMDR Niamhy - I'm not sure how accurate this is I've never really studied that crash parts.

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2b) I assumed those sounds came from the UA's found nearby - but - now I think about it I guess that doesn't make sense?

3) No clue, that's really interesting. We do know that the Feds used to ship around UA's in the bubble and those convoys were in Type-9's IIRC. I guess we could be seeing the remains of one salvage operation that went wrong (there may be lots of crashes we've not found yet). The Feds must have got the UA's from somewhere.

I have one more question for you.

The ships don't seem to have Mycoid damage do they?

 

[acidburn2k20]

Stretching my memory again, but isn't the multi-crash site the outcome of the treasure hunt set by the 2.2 (2.3??) trailer. There may be some background in those clues.

edit: nope, my mistake. Just checked the Wiki & the Hunt led to the crash on Pleiades Sector AB-W B2-4, & AEGIS said that one is some 100years old.
Really should learn to check things before posting, sorry!

its fine, if you think about it most thargoid crash sites look similar in age and appearance, though i do wonder if i am right about them being a completely different type to cyclops or scouts

 

[Maligno]

As always, you have some cool theories. But I have some observations and comments for ya...

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The Barnacles are changing, we definitely know that. They may well be the sites of new bases, but I think it's more likely there's something else afoot. We've never seen a Scavenger drone anywhere near a barnacle (AFAIK)...

I believe the first barnacle forest that PanPiper discovered has Scavengers wandering around, so I'm not sure how that affects your theory.

Also, you say that we definitely know that barnacles are changing. That's a strong statement, what's the body of evidence supporting that?

 

[CmdrZaratan]

As always, you have some cool theories. But I have some observations and comments for ya...



I believe the first barnacle forest that PanPiper discovered has Scavengers wandering around, so I'm not sure how that affects your theory.

Also, you say that we definitely know that barnacles are changing. That's a strong statement, what's the body of evidence supporting that?

I've been to that site and I did see Scavengers there.

 

[ModishNouns]

The "JJ" T9s and the black Anacondas don't look anything like 50 years old to me. Those "JJ" T9s look quite recent.

Did I mention the "JJ" ship IDs? Just in case I didn't mention the "JJ" (pron. JAY JAY) ship IDs, what does everyone think about the "JJ" ship IDs?

 

[Kleitias]

as a side note to who ever said the SRV was damaged by carrying unknown artifacts, it is possible but for the fact there are blast marks on the SRV

That was me. Alright, maybe I did not look closely enough. But are you absolutely certain that those marks were caused by blasts rather by, say, an explosion caused by module damage which in turn was caused by the corrosion?
How does the game represent SRVs destroyed by UA corrosion? We could actually test that - one player observing another one who waits until her/his SRV is destroyed due to UA corrosion, then comparing the wreck with the one at the crash site.
Until I see that, I remain doubtful whether we can interpret the marks of destruction on an SRV securely and attribute them with certainty to a specific method of destruction.

 

[Han_Zen]

The "JJ" T9s and the black Anacondas don't look anything like 50 years old to me. Those "JJ" T9s look quite recent.

Did I mention the "JJ" ship IDs? Just in case I didn't mention the "JJ" (pron. JAY JAY) ship IDs, what does everyone think about the "JJ" ship IDs?

They are transporting alien artefacts for Jjagged Bbanner. Noting else starts with JJ and the band members are crazy for artefacts.

Or it's a code for emergency drop. [alien]

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Great discussion!

However, the question that bugs me: why did they crash on a planet in the middle of nowhere anyway? It is unlikely that after a pursuit in hyperspace you hit a tiny moon by chance. I'd assume that there is either something interesting on the planet itself, or if it was deliberate tactics to crash land. Can it be, that the Thargoid ship dragged the convoy out of hyperspace in front of the planet, with no chance of slowing down?

 

[acidburn2k20]

1) - It's meta I know, but those wreck parts are the same parts as you get in the generic wreck POI on the ground and in space. I'm not sure they belong to anything specific and just "wrecked ship parts". Sadly it means there might be no ways to determine what they were supposed to be by examining wreckage and things. In Lore we know that many older classes were scrapped because they couldn't be converted to FSD, so... it could be ships that literally don't exist any more (and so we've never seen them not-wrecked).

2a) (source) Here's a reconstruction by CMDR Niamhy - I'm not sure how accurate this is I've never really studied that crash parts.

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http://i.imgur.com/KZPlIuR.jpg

2b) I assumed those sounds came from the UA's found nearby - but - now I think about it I guess that doesn't make sense?

3) No clue, that's really interesting. We do know that the Feds used to ship around UA's in the bubble and those convoys were in Type-9's IIRC. I guess we could be seeing the remains of one salvage operation that went wrong (there may be lots of crashes we've not found yet). The Feds must have got the UA's from somewhere.

I have one more question for you.

The ships don't seem to have Mycoid damage do they?

i thought the same about the sound coming from the sensor, but having moved one to another planet and releasing it i can say that it doesn't make the same sound that is at the crash site. also the T-9's could of been part of a possible fed salvage operation. as for any traces of mycoid at site so far none has been detected.

That was me. Alright, maybe I did not look closely enough. But are you absolutely certain that those marks were caused by blasts rather by, say, an explosion caused by module damage which in turn was caused by the corrosion?
How does the game represent SRVs destroyed by UA corrosion? We could actually test that - one player observing another one who waits until her/his SRV is destroyed due to UA corrosion, then comparing the wreck with the one at the crash site.
Until I see that, I remain doubtful whether we can interpret the marks of destruction on an SRV securely and attribute them with certainty to a specific method of destruction.

good point, will give that a go soon an see what happens

Great discussion!

However, the question that bugs me: why did they crash on a planet in the middle of nowhere anyway? It is unlikely that after a pursuit in hyperspace you hit a tiny moon by chance. I'd assume that there is either something interesting on the planet itself, or if it was deliberate tactics to crash land. Can it be, that the Thargoid ship dragged the convoy out of hyperspace in front of the planet, with no chance of slowing down?

no no no, there was no convoy being hyperdicted near a planet, as far i know hyperdiction is initiated whilst leaving a system not whilst entering, and also the old story of all the human ships being together is flimsy at best due to the difference between the anaconda's paint and the T-9's. also having reviewed the evidence on site, it seems that the T-9's still have some residual power in the power distributors, the anaconda's don't. this is reason i believe there is 3 distinct crash events not 1 big event

 

[Louis Calvert]

As always, you have some cool theories. But I have some observations and comments for ya...

I believe the first barnacle forest that PanPiper discovered has Scavengers wandering around, so I'm not sure how that affects your theory.

Also, you say that we definitely know that barnacles are changing. That's a strong statement, what's the body of evidence supporting that?

Scavengers around Barnacles - Yep you're right they do! I stand corrected! Nice catch, I'd totally forgotten about that.

As for the Barnacles changing, I thought this was already really well documented?

These are from my personal screenshot collection - this is the Barnacles when first found on Merope 5c (photo taken shortly after discovery).

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This is how the latest barnacles now appear (photo taken less than 2 days ago):

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These two pics are of different barnacles - however I'm pretty sure I've been back to sites I've been to before and all the ones I've seen are now like the latter photo. They also glow, I mean like really glow like lights even from quite high up.

Really is this not a thing that's just well known? If not, I call it the Calvert Barnacle Discovery

 

[Louis Calvert]

The "JJ" T9s and the black Anacondas don't look anything like 50 years old to me. Those "JJ" T9s look quite recent.

Did I mention the "JJ" ship IDs? Just in case I didn't mention the "JJ" (pron. JAY JAY) ship IDs, what does everyone think about the "JJ" ship IDs?

JJ Abrams is going to direct 3.0 "Beyond"?

This is the new cockpit art he's introducing:

 

[Maligno]

Scavengers around Barnacles - Yep you're right they do! I stand corrected! Nice catch, I'd totally forgotten about that.

As for the Barnacles changing, I thought this was already really well documented?

These are from my personal screenshot collection - this is the Barnacles when first found on Merope 5c (photo taken shortly after discovery).

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https://i.imgur.com/emGMEI1.png

This is how the latest barnacles now appear (photo taken less than 2 days ago):

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https://i.imgur.com/MA4h5s0.png

These two pics are of different barnacles - however I'm pretty sure I've been back to sites I've been to before and all the ones I've seen are now like the latter photo. They also glow, I mean like really glow like lights even from quite high up.

Really is this not a thing that's just well known? If not, I call it the Calvert Barnacle Discovery

I see what you mean now about the barnacles. I had personally interpreted the green stuff as extra fluff added by FD after 2.4, but I guess it could very well be that it's caused by a fundamental change.

 

[acidburn2k20]

taking time out from other mysteries i am currently at the latest barnacle forest at Pleiades Sector PN-T B3-0, and i scanned the central barnacle then went to scan the next one and found that it had already been scanned. is it possible that barnacle forests are not a collection of individual barnacles but a single larger organism? and if so does this mean it is an older version of the single barnacles that were found first?

edit: also 2 more things i have observed first there is no scavenger activity at this moment but there is evidence that they were here, and secondly there seems to be cracking/grinding sound that comes from the area but no idea where it comes from.

 

[acidburn2k20]

taking time out from other mysteries i am currently at the latest barnacle forest at Pleiades Sector PN-T B3-0, and i scanned the central barnacle then went to scan the next one and found that it had already been scanned. is it possible that barnacle forests are not a collection of individual barnacles but a single larger organism? and if so does this mean it is an older version of the single barnacles that were found first?

edit: also 2 more things i have observed first there is no scavenger activity at this moment but there is evidence that they were here, and secondly there seems to be cracking/grinding sound that comes from the area but no idea where it comes from.

took this before i left, as you can see lots of scavenger activity but no scavengers anywhere. where have the little buggers gone???

 

[CmdrZaratan]

taking time out from other mysteries i am currently at the latest barnacle forest at Pleiades Sector PN-T B3-0, and i scanned the central barnacle then went to scan the next one and found that it had already been scanned. is it possible that barnacle forests are not a collection of individual barnacles but a single larger organism? and if so does this mean it is an older version of the single barnacles that were found first?

edit: also 2 more things i have observed first there is no scavenger activity at this moment but there is evidence that they were here, and secondly there seems to be cracking/grinding sound that comes from the area but no idea where it comes from.

I'd say it's pretty much a certainty that a barnacle forest is a single organism. A barnacle itself has a bunch of bits theoretically connected underneath the ground, so this is just a larger version of that. The layout looks like it would be growths coming from roots.

 

[Le-Betz]

Of all Thargoid Sites currently known, the inactive TS212 on HIP 15134 3 B is the closest to Sol. I just been to the place, trying to find clues about a possible Mycoid contamination of the site. Scanning everything scanable, I found no evidence for the presence of the virus, no scanner message that definitely said 'Mycoid'. The closest i found was a brown patch under one of the structures that looked more like dried mud than what can be seen on the hull of the crashed scout vessel. Realizing I didn't have any picture of that (and wondering how I missed that), I went to HIP 17125 next.


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Just in case that Mycoid might look different if it affects different surfaces, I went to Mayes Chemical Plant to have a look at the stuff in its original form. Thanks to Lakon and the DBX I rigged as a 'Xeno research vessel', it took less than 15 min to get there.


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As if it wasn't spooky enough to know that this place was the production site for a bioweapon, designed to commit genocide of an entire species, it was of course dark. Nevertheless I think I managed it quite well to light up the details with the headlights of the SRV and the ship. As you can see, the color of the stuff is rather orange than brown. The most brownish shades look a bit like the color of dried blood, not like that earth-like brown that is visible in some of the pictures I posted earlier.

So no, as far as we know, there is no definite evidence for a contamination of Thargoid sites with Mycoid-Virus.

After that I went to see the newly discovered Barnacle forest. I wonder what these look like when it's dark, because they indeed emit a faint green glow which is especially obvious in the darker shadows where some of the spikes show a full emerald green color. And that glow isn't always constant, at some places it seems to pulse very slowly. Something else I noticed: If you get close to the Barnacles there are tiny blue sparks floating from the tips. I tried to picture that, but it's to faint to see on a screenshot or looks like background stars. You really have to go there and stare at the Barnacles' tips to see that.


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