So, who cares about the 2.4 Narrative surrounding Elite: Dangerous

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Apart from them uplifting the non-interactive Script to a limited interactive Script.... Narrative?

For me, something as incohesive as the current Thargoid "narrative" doesn't even qualify.

On top, the entire Game has always been about not allowing me to do things. Instead, I'm told I'm just one of many many nobodies spread out all over the Galaxy.
So... having never had the chance to build something, never own something (other than my mobile Prison cells called "Ships"), never built any fleet I could field, never do anything with stuff I discovered...
What am I supposed to do anyway?

Based on that background, it's the job of AEGIS, Superpowers, Powers and Factions to deal with "big stuff" like that.
Not my job. I have nothing to defend or fight for (bar a single Ship I might be flying at any given point), since I was never allowed to construct or build up anything worth defending.
So I hope all these NPCs and ASCII-only characters keep up with these GALnet events, because I sure won't. Not my business, I'm just a passive statist - just as the Game has always told me over and over.

Thus, any such "narrative" is lost on me. I don't care about some 20000 LY distant Signal Sources in the middle of nowhere doing their scripted thing.
 
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Arkadi

Arkadi
The thing is, with all the hype, I moved half of my fleet and gear into the Pleiades, then accquired a lot of new anti-thargoid gear and now I am really really short of module-storage. Since the alien-story seems to progress with the speed of a paralyzed snail, I think I will sell all this stuff and move my ships back to the bubbel to do... powerplay again... oh noooo, noooooooo!!! XD

well, just then there will be coming a new update with another tiny drip of news and I will think, wouldn't it be nice to have my anti-alien ship back there in Merope???

So yes, it all matters, becouse now I have to decide if I want to keep an anti-tharg fleet or if I want to keep all my engineered tools.... aarggh. Give more Module Storage pls!
 

TrailBlazer 143

TrailBlazer 143
space voyager said:
Thargoids gave me the first real reason to interact with other players as I'm unable to destroy them solo. And shown how pleasant most players are when these interactions happen. Like today when a CMDR with a Corvette asked if I was beaten by Ts when I returned to Maia with 20% hull. Then he aeked me if I'd be going in again. I got repairs, he rearmed his ship and there we went.

Seriously, best Elite moments I've had happened after 2.4 arrived and I don't mind the current phase lasting a little longer. Not everybody has a lot of time to play.
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Moments like those are some of the reasons people play Elite. But my gripe isn't with the Thargoids themselves, its the way Frontier chose to use "narrative" and "story" to introduce them to the game. Do you feel invested with the story surrounding the Thargoids and do you feel like you're shaping the Thargoid story in anyway? To be more specific.
 

Mangal Oemie

Mangal Oemie
I've certainly been 'feeling the "everchanging" galaxy unfold around you', the past two months.

It didn't involve shooting Thargoids, though, but BGS manipulation. I'd like the narrative to play out (or be abandoned), so we're done with it, and can focus on player generated events and accomplishments. The various player group conflicts and alliances contain far more depth, drama, gameplay and narrative than anything i've seen from FD (with the exception, perhaps, of the lore novels).
 
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Saool

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I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
 
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Saool said:
I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
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True :)
It's a bit sad, I know I moan now and again, but I always say that I'm 90% happy with the game, and would just love that last 10%, but there are a small group that just seem to hate everything, roll off their list of hateboi rants at every chance and never have anything positive to say, it's almost like they're angry that their God game SC hasn't delivered yet so they just sit in here sulking instead ;)
 

tagos

tagos
Saool said:
I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
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The fact that I enjoy playing Elite doesn’t stop me from seeing and calling out minimal effort hand waving being passed off as epic narrative.
 

tagos

tagos
popuptoaster said:
The whole point of ED is that you are not the hero of the game so the game narrative will unfold even if you have nothing to do with it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are not playing as Han Solo, we are playing as one of the anonymous pilots sitting at the back in that canteena.

I'm sure someone came wandering out of the bathroom asking what they just missed, well, that's us.

We get to play along, get involved with the narrative or not as we see fit but generally the galaxy is just going to carry on regardless while the important folk do stuff and we try not to get made dead by it.

Personally I'm doing what i'd do in real life and avoiding anything that might make me a target, i like to RP when i play ED so the Thargoids can stay well away from me thanks and the narrative isn't all that interesting (to me) anyway so i don't feel I'm missing out. The only time I ever got near anything of import was when i was using Jaques station as my base for months only to be told that he was going to jump and no one was going to be allowed to go with him despite the lore saying he was always looking for travelling companions and me being willing to take the risk that he was going to vanish for weeks possibly forever.

Decided after that that FD really HAD meant that the players meant little to what was actually happening in game so gave up trying to be involved which has made things much more relaxed if a little boring occasionally.
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I’m an ‘anonymous pilot’ with a mini fleet of Super-A rated Cutters, Corvettes, Pythons, Anacondas, gunships and Couriers in a region where the Major Powers have abandoned the factions to their fates and capital ships are defenceless against an alien threat.

You’d think they would have something for me and the rest of the heavily armed ‘anonymous pilots’ to do. What with the region being defenceless and capital ships burning all over the place and us being the only ones equipped to handle stuff.

The Battle Of Britain was won by hundreds of anonymous pilots.
 

krylite

krylite
Actually just hearing about the thargoids , seeing "news" videos of them and their mysterious threat on the outskirts of the borders of known populated space is enough immersion for me. It helps with the feel of the background lore and scale of the large galaxy. The thargs are not like a typical movie alien race storyline ready to invade within a few days and resolved soon to fit in a 2 hour popcorn fest or sequel cashgrab, ala ID4 & IDresurgence.
 
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Manticore

Manticore
TrailBlazer 143 said:
When I fire this game up, I play my own narrative, my own story.
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That's all of the game for me and I enjoy the fact that I can make up my own story or give my own imaginative thread to a game universe (RPG?). I'm about done with the Pleiades for the moment and heading to Colonia again soon and the doing the Beagle Point expedition I've been planning all year. aliens will be around (or not) when I get back from that.

FD's game, played my way. I don't need FD to hold my hand so I can have good cry because I ain't crying.

Saool said:
I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
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Yeah; that would work really well but unfortunately it seems trolling and whinging around here is more important than actually playing the game. Incredible isn't it that people still play a game that they don't enjoy.

The only comparison I can think of is a child who keeps putting their hand into a flame despite the fact they know it burns them.... which is pretty much beyond sad really.

People who inflict pain on themselves (and then extend that by expressing their pain on these forums and creating pain for others) probably should seek some form of counseling or other professional help well away from these forums.
 
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Saool said:
I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
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I on my part wonder : would the Forum benefit from a dedicated "Safe space" for White Knights? Or people who simply don't like to read critique?
You know.. a pure, "This is fine! No really, this is fine." Segment of the Forum where people can pretend... well... everything was just fine, just so they wouldn't have to deal with the reality that this might be an illusion (?)

I've heard rumors (don't quote me on that) that Ostriches sticking their heads into the Sand find it quite irritating if you disturb them.

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Tadeus72

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You guys seem to talk about different things.

Our pilots aren't the heroes and the world isn't supposed to be centered on the players, it's not our story and not our personal narrative. Which is fine for a sandbox game. Most of them work like that.

But that doesn't mean it should be fluff only. There is a rising alien threat and there should be a lot of things that pilots-for-hire can do to help or just to profit from the situation. You know, it's a game, not a movie or book, it's about playing and not only reading.

Hey. I'm a Frontier fanboy but this could really work much better. And these are small things. Like rising the rewards for the new search and rescue system (just the numbers!), making alien materials count for more tonnes in the CG to reward actually doing the new difficult content, adding maybe more than one tiny mission to the famous alien-expert NPC, or just adding more well paying refugee missions to the settled systems close to the Pleiades!

It has nothing to do with being the hero or changing the base idea about Elite. The Sandbox should react to the events and open up opportunities for the players. I mean, that's exactly how the BGS is supposed to work. If a Outbreak is generating a complex reaction of all the systems the game is basing on, why not an alien invasion?
 
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TrailBlazer 143

TrailBlazer 143
Saool said:
I do sometimes wonder if a lot of people on this forum would be happier by... not playing the game. Going and playing a game that they actually enjoy. Not posting on the forum of the game the don't like playing, and going and posting on the forums of the game they do like. It worked a treat for me with Star Citizen. When I realised I hated it, I just stopped loading it. Stopped ranting on their forums. Stopped caring about it. And went and did something I enjoy with my time instead.
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Nobody here says they hate the game. Only the fact that we don't care about a certain aspect of it that's on the forefront of the game. This is all us giving our thoughts and criticisms about our favorite game because we want it to do better. Praising mediocrity is only going to have mediocrity continue within the game and its people like us that give Frontier a reason to keep trying instead of saying "That's good enough because you're Frontier".
 

Kubicide

Kubicide
FalconFly said:
I on my part wonder : would the Forum benefit from a dedicated "Safe space" for White Knights? Or people who simply don't like to read critique?
You know.. a pure, "This is fine! No really, this is fine." Segment of the Forum where people can pretend... well... everything was just fine, just so they wouldn't have to deal with the reality that this might be an illusion (?)

I've heard rumors (don't quote me on that) that Ostriches sticking their heads into the Sand find it quite irritating if you disturb them.

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Not sure if you were here at release but nothing has changed since then. Back then the forum fans would literally scream "IT'S PERFECT - DON'T CHANGE A THING!" even though the game was severely lacking and, well, still is in many ways. FDev even posted how they launched with MFS and for a public company this is understandable and not uncommon.

Same voices today just continue to admire the naked emperor. Don't dare tell them he's still naked. ;)

To the OP: I'll wave my hand to say that I don't care but I also really didn't expect anything more that what we got. It's clear that little effort is being put into the game now. If 2.4 doesn't clearly illustrate this to folks then I'm not sure what will. Let's see if Beyond actually makes releases through to Q4 2018.
 
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