Star Citizen Discussions v7
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You're probably imagining things, since that topic is being downvoted to oblivion...
Great, I enjoyed this
Played a heck out of Mario back in the days.When he mentioned how immersiveness has to do with controls (at 4:00), I just remembered this failure of a game, its controls and its flight model.
That's why it sucks and will never be good, unless a miracle happens.
Yeah, that famous "Golfswing gate"...i even remember that, one of devs said we don't something simple like in ED where you just hold button for x seconds...so we did this...
Yes, this is perfect example about harsh realitycheck for SC backers...
When the chapter on SC closes, there will be university courses detailing all of the business failings that took place. It will probably be titled how not to run a crowdfunded business. Offenses against women will only be one of many points listed against RSI / CGI management with their toxic attitudes and community.
Whether the cause was ineptitude or dishonesty will only become clear with hindsight.
But this is way broader issue than SC. People keep demanding "deep gameplay", without understanding what it really means. People have learned newtruth mechanics - if you can add "very deep" words like "depth, immersion, emergent" to your argument "I don't like this game and I am bored by it actually", you get attention. No one cares you DON'T LIKE THIS GAME. So what? But if there's not "enough depth", suddenly everyone and his dog discusses it, while in reality it is very shallow bath of .
Let's take this golf like scanner. Do they really think that in future scanner will be ever manually triggered? Or if it will be triggered, do they really will decipher or will do signal analysis manually? Remember funny outrage ED got of hiding messages in frequency pane? Also it was just like UI element mechanic. Even this can be extended with good feedback. Instead of majority of complains was about how too easy and casual it is.
So while yeah, I think 'gameplay fallout of SC' will be glorious to see, because SC has been going on without gameplay loops for too long, it is broader issue with demand and dreamstate culture of gaming.
Star General? Oh wait, that's already taken.. Star Lag then
Pff, hater! You wouldn't see the light that caresses us because (insert inappropriate assertion about head sticking in some dark place).
Sorry, that's incorrect. Networking is handled by the CPU not the GPU. The more ships, the more networking that needs to take place to coordinate between them. The CPU coordinates ship positions, heading, speed and orientation of all ships in the instance. The GPU renders the ships in the locations and attitudes based on that info.
The more ships, the more calculations are required with the results sent to all parties for their info and usage. That process chokes the network connection and slows the game down because it's not getting the info required to determine position(s). That kills framerates.
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Whatonearthareyoutalkingabout? Of course the gamplay will be as deep as the Mariana Trench:
http://www.loadthegame.com/2014/11/24/star-citizen-qa-tony-zurovec/
Tony Zurovec, zero previous experience in MMOs, Nov 24 2014
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The golfswing mechanic is alive (and well?) in Star Wars Battlefront 2 when reloading your gun. I think if you hit the sweet spot that clip does a bit more damage.
Talking about SWBF2, I was watching AngryJoe stream the single player campaign on Twitch and it struck me how similar the release of SWBF2 is to COD: Infinite Warfare last year. They have both released a month or two before CR planned to show off SQ42. The SWBF2 campaign looks even more impressive than Infinite Warfare.
Will CR pull the SQ42 demo this December?
Tony Zurovec is ignorant or just plain stupid, CIG can't even make one system in PG, so there you have it.
Go watch FDEVS discovery scanner about galaxy generation and then come back, Tony Zurovec.
That looked a lot like lying.
It's "Director of Persistent Universe" Tony Zurovec, if you please. Show some respect!
From this moment on I shall assume the title of "Man of Destiny" - you are all to address me this way or else...
Once they start adding gameplay its going to be very interesting to compare the fantasy with the reality. I mean, if they can pull it off, then wow... but you know, i'm not sure its possible to do even half of what they have talked about, at least not within a timescale of less than 10 - 20 years. Not to mention that the actual implementation might not match what has been talked about anyway... remember all the talk about how bad supercruise in ED was with travel times, and now just look at them, happy over short distance travel taking 8 mins....
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Yes, its nothing new and groundbreaking ;D, I sometimes play 2kNBA and there its main gameplay element - you hit or miss shot depending how good you are at it.
In a normal multiplayer game that doesnt work like that. The GPU render thread is not correlated to the network thread (unless someone made a huge mistake in the code..), and the volume of data to transmit is also not correlated to all of this. The position calculations, etc. are done asynchronously from the render pipeline, which then uses interpolation (in most games, linear, though some claim 2nd order or "predictive") between position / acceleration updates. If you have big chunks of data the net effect will be to delay updates, which can cause rubber banding and such, but not affect the frame rate. Also high ping will not affect the frame rate (i know most people call this "lag" but that's just their GPU choking on something) for the same reason. The challenge is to make these network updates streamable, so to have progressive updates with partial data, and of course to cull the unnecessary updates (whatever the player wont see on his screen).
If you want to see hundreds of spaceships in a space battle with high framerates just check the latest update from Infinity Battlescape, and it's still just a pre-alpha ! I'd also mention most multiplayer games today with high player count (from Red Orchestra to PUBG, etc.).
Just to clarify: it's not the "looks and plays like crap" part that is the worry. Rather, the question is why are they polishing at all at this stage? They're in some kind of featureless pre-alpha. They are three entire development stages away from when even it's time to start polishing anything to begin with.
On top of that is the question of how on earth they've managed to be so ridiculously inefficient and abysmally slow that they're not even in a proper alpha phase after six years.
Of course, the lack of any kind of forward movement is handily explained by the fact that they're developing backwards and therefore everything they do is done wrong and a waste of time, but neither of those should even be possible in any kind of half-remotely pseudo-professional setting. The utter and complete incompetence on display here is nothing short of staggering, and anyone who's involved with this project at this time is stained by it. If they ever displayed an ounce of competence in a previous instance, SC only ever indicates that it was pure chance and by accident. They simply got lucky last time and their fumbling was left unexposed. The argument "...but he worked on X" had lost all value and the only way for anyone associated with this disaster to regain any credibility at this point is to either quit or for SC to exceed every last expectation, very very soon. The latter will not happen.
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Had a proper chuckle today while chilling on DCS discord a star citizen backer asked if anyone is interested on a trade: his $300 fidelicious jpeg SC spaceship for 3 of the latest DCS highly modelled and critically acclaimed released aircraft modules. Needless to say no one showed even a hint of interest. SC backers look so weird outside their bubble...
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