Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery

Hip 22460 is a tad over 200ly away from the Hive-ship's last known location. (Approx. 1000ls out from HIP 12099 1 A as per the INRA logs on the 'bait' base.)

The Scout is about 160ly out from where it was infected. I'd say it's plausible that it broke away from the Hive-ship.
 
I think we may be looking for another INRA base with logs of what they did next: we know the TS are thargoid (possibly parts of the hive ship), so why didn't INRA attack them? And it still doesn't seem to tie in with the story in premonitions.
 
An interesting post made on Facebook an hour or so ago, appearing to show a Basilisk being shut down by the xeno scanners/disruptor module/combination of the two...bears investigating maybe? Can't take credit for the find, thought I'd stick it here though and see what everyone makes of it.

https://www.facebook.com/nic.spooky.daniels/videos/1613935712007565/

If I could see it, i'd comment. Something something privacy settings.

Anyways, the Tissue Sample CG just got shut down because of bugs, so 115 tonnes later, I might as well go check out these INRA bases.
 
Well, judging for what we have observed in game, the Thargoids seem to adapt very slowly to new events. The example of this is how long the took to adapt to our maneuvers and basic tactics (ie learning to dodge misiles, resistance, etc).

This is backed up by what's said in Out of the Darkness. Essentially, Thargoids are very old, and very set in their ways and find it very hard to think dynamically. Thats' why (in that novel) they are happy to recruit humans to help them fight the Klaxians since our ability to adapt and come up with new strategies on the fly in literally our main ability as a species.

It may have happened that a "trigger" made the thargoid ships from the hive to wake out. The thargoid hive ship may have warned that it received heavy damage, so all ships and thargoid "evacuated", now knowing that they were already infected. It could also have happened that unaware thargoid ships jumped into the system later on to investigate, further spreading the disease. And, finally, maybe this "hive ship" was so incredibly vast that its lost supposed a genocide itself, forcing the Thargoids to retreat before further damage could be taken.

It i also possible that John Jameson's attack was just the first of a series of strikes. First hitting the "headquarters" of the Thargoids, then bombing the rest of the thargoid sites and ships while they were still trying to find out what had hit them.

Personally - from all the sources (both Lore and old Lore (old games)) that we have, I think you're probably pretty much spot on with this idea.

If you look at the distribution of "inactive" base sites, there's definitely more of them facing the bubble on the edge of the shell. If you assume that the Hive Ship was positioned on the outer shell facing the bubble (so as best to direct the attacks into human space) - that fits with it being sent to intercept the base at Carmicheal Point and the location of Jameson's crash site - if you plot those locations you see they're pretty close together. I assume the survivors from the Hive ship, or escape vehicles, or rescue ships landed at those base sites and spread the infection from there - at that point it slowly spread back the rest of the sites via supply ships etc. before the Thargoids realised how infectious it was.

I assume that the Thargoids ultimately retreated because they assumed that if we did this once, we could do it again (or something worse).
 

God damn it man, you are about to single handledly make me given up on bothering to to discuss anything in this forum any more.

Just because you have a hypothesis doesn't mean it is the definite truth.

And any time some questions you, question the words they use they could mean anything is pointless to discuss.

So the you can come up with a random hypothesis based on your interpretation of words or phrases but þen any question to that interpretation is trolling.

Then you push you hypotheses as the only truth.

No evidence but you hypothesis and insistence.

I have been participating in the Canonn since they started and could ignore the data miners and I have the secret truth but not telling you posters, but the dogmatic I have an idea no one can question as it is true true true I can not ignore any more
 
Hello Commanders,

I don't think that this is something.. but here's my Tinfoil theory:

The four data points in Jameson Cobra, correspond to a moderate bright asterism in Sagittarius (around the bubble)..
FX0OX5R.png

hpPbMDB.png

For the starmap, I used Stellarium.
All four have an HIP number and are in the game.
This can be just a mere coincidence, I warn.. But Terebellum in on the game too.
 
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My opinion on the hive ship theory

Each base IS a hive ship, seeded as per the barnacles, and growing.

I keep watch on one particular site, visiting it every 5-7 days or so.
It looks like the 'superstructure' described in the logs is appearing on each of the 'ships' around the central core, also we now have meta-alloy and material spikes growing everywhere around the base.

So.... how many bases were discovered... over 200.... with 150 active ones...... 150 hive ships growing and the only assumpution is that they maybe immune to the mycoid

The only question I would have if the above is true is
"How many cyclops/basilisks/scouts can a hive ship launch?"

Bill

Cmdr Asp explorer "Feanor"
 
Hello Commanders,

I don't think that this is something.. but here's my Tinfoil theory:

The four data points in Jameson Cobra, correspond to a moderate bright asterism in Sagittarius (around the bubble)..
https://i.imgur.com/FX0OX5R.png
https://i.imgur.com/hpPbMDB.png
For the starmap, I used Stellarium.
All four have an HIP number and are in the game.
This can be just a mere coincidence, I warn.. But Terebellum in on the game too.

I need to ask you for some more clarification. Where do you get the name "Terebelium" for your hypothesis? As long as I know, I could take that points arrangement and eventually find a star pattern that fits well just by looking randomly to the sky -not to mention if I even move to any system I wish!-.
 


This theory lacks of evidence to sustain it. It is based on mere suppositions.

As a Canonn Institute's field researcher, my vote goes for "NOT PROVEN".*

*This comment is meant as a joke and should never be taken seriously. Anyone is free to write down any hypothesis they find fit. I am just a guy who wasted his time flying over planet's surfaces instead of gaining billions as proper commanders do. Don't join the Canonn, you'll die alone and poor.

Damn, I need some brandy.
 
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My opinion on the hive ship theory

Each base IS a hive ship, seeded as per the barnacles, and growing.

I keep watch on one particular site, visiting it every 5-7 days or so.
It looks like the 'superstructure' described in the logs is appearing on each of the 'ships' around the central core, also we now have meta-alloy and material spikes growing everywhere around the base.

So.... how many bases were discovered... over 200.... with 150 active ones...... 150 hive ships growing and the only assumpution is that they maybe immune to the mycoid

The only question I would have if the above is true is
"How many cyclops/basilisks/scouts can a hive ship launch?"

Bill

Cmdr Asp explorer "Feanor"


As much as I would love your theory / hypothesis to be true, I have to disagree for a very simple reaso:

Each thargoid base has almost exactly the same layout than the others.

If each base happened to be a hive ship, how is it possible that they look so similar after a crash land, or at least an emergency landing? How comes that all of them seem to be buried exactly the same way in planets that lack of atmosphere, hence lack of erosion processes that could cover the remains that way? If we assume that geological processes caused the bases/ships to be buried, every single planet had almost exactly the same geological activity to cause almost exactly the same effect on >150 bases?

Simple logic tells me: "This is highly unlikely".

In my opinion, each one of this bases is exactly what it looks like: A base.

And now, I will start my tinfoil theory:

We do know that INRA tried to hide the Thargoid war from history books, and they actually managed to do that quite successfully. However, we happen to have over 150 alien bases lying around, at jut 300 LY from the Bubble, and noone ever found them during the war?

Ok, let's assume they DID find them and infect them with the mycoid. Why would INRA leave them as a proof that a war ever happened? Why didn't they fully dismantle them, piece by piece, to reverse engineer alien technology, specially knowing that several bases are actually alive? (IE, having working thargoid terminals that react to our scanners, life scavengers, etc). Even more, if they did actually do that, why didn't they bomb the bases to ashes afterwards?

Alright, next possibility: Were the bases there all along, and, somehow, noone ever managed to locate them in over 160 years since the war ended? I mean, its not like an small settlement, it is actually a 10km radius structure that can be spotted from low orbit. How probable is it that not a single explorer ever realized a perfectly symmetrical spiral and green structure on the surface of a dead rock? What are the chances that not a single explorer caught an eye on something so clearly unnatural?

My Hypothesis is that the alien bases were actually "grown" way after the war had ended.

But, how does that fit with the observations? We know that the scavengers seem actually to be "cleaning" the bases from biological material (mycoid concentrations?). So... are they infected with the mycoid?

There are many possibilities that may explain this. Maybe the bases are a way of the Thargoids to develop immunity to the virus. Maybe the bases are actually fighting the Mycoid to develop a resistance for future invasion waves.

I need to recon that the evidence that the Bases seem to be "infected" with something somehow is against my hypothesis. However I do believe that, had the bases been there for about 200 years, we would have found them before. So, if you ask me, my logic tells me that maybe they were not there all that time along.

Adjusting my tinfoil hat, I salute you, fellow scientists!


So THERE they were my pipe and my magnifying glass! Damn kid, come over here!!
 
God damn it man, you are about to single handledly make me given up on bothering to to discuss anything in this forum any more.

Just because you have a hypothesis doesn't mean it is the definite truth.

And any time some questions you, question the words they use they could mean anything is pointless to discuss.

So the you can come up with a random hypothesis based on your interpretation of words or phrases but þen any question to that interpretation is trolling.

Then you push you hypotheses as the only truth.

No evidence but you hypothesis and insistence.

I have been participating in the Canonn since they started and could ignore the data miners and I have the secret truth but not telling you posters, but the dogmatic I have an idea no one can question as it is true true true I can not ignore any more

This theory lacks of evidence to sustain it. It is based on mere suppositions.

As a Canonn Institute's field researcher, my vote goes for "NOT PROVEN".

I have respect for you all and the work you've done, so I find it honestly hurts a bit to hear this.

I said at the very start of my thread "This is pure speculation," (which by the way, I didn't clog this page up with, I started a new thread and simply posted a brief link here to it so any discussion could take place on that thread and not here). I speculated, then I backed it up with why I think that's accurate - I'm not sure how that's the wrong things to do? Then I defended that speculation from people who disagreed - perfectly amicably, by explaining each point they brought up and why I think it fits with my speculation - up to the point where continuing to do so would just be repeating the same things over and over... I'm not sure what's bad about that, other than you think I'm wrong (which is fine, many people do).

You seem to forget that one way to figure stuff out is by speculating on things, trying to fit things together and come up with ideas. What's so wrong about that? Has anyone anyone at all got a better idea about Thunderchild? Do any of you at all have any ideas? Why not suggest those as counterpoints rather than just telling me how wrong I am based on what is frankly your supposition and guesswork. If any of you have any actual facts to show that I'm incorrect, I think you'll find that I'm very willing to listen and learn (I'm not going to ask you to look at my past posts because I know you won't :)).

I didn't realise that speculating wasn't allowed, I also didn't realise that speculating in a thread with "Theories and Tinfoil Hattery" was also not allowed, and I didn't realise making jokes was not allowed (I had assumed that putting a smiley in my comment would convey that it was intended as humerous), I had thought we were having an amicable discussion about a fairly crackpot but possible theory. If you feel that there should be a set of rules governing what can and can't be discussed and how that should take place, maybe you should work with the forum moderators and publish a list of things that are and aren't allowed on this thread and forum-at-large so it's easier to understand?

I would like to point out that Canonn doesn't own Elite Dangerous, they don't own the concept of coming up with ideas, and they don't own these forums. Canonn guys have your own website, discord and all sorts of stuff and I don't interfere with any of that - this forum is a public place and we all take part freely. It's great what you guys do, but get down off your high horse and realise that people are allowed to have ideas that aren't Canonn approved.

It's also worth mentioning that 9/10 mind-numbing ground searches, I'm there for. 9/10 infuriatingly dull 'puzzles' laid out by Fdev I'm there for. I read all the Lore and I do my best to lend a hand, I'm always there volunteering to go check out some random idea, testing a new plugin and all that stuff - what more can anyone do? Go check the Pleiades search spreadsheets, my name is on there a LOT along with dozens of other people who do the actual grunt work.

It would be nice if in future you could show a little more respect.

P.S. If you guys think I'm being unfair, you're always free to PM me with your concerns and I'll be happy to discuss things with you so as not to clog up the forum discussions, or do what factabulous does (apparently) and ignore me, maybe they feel there should be an amount that's not "posting too much" that should be appended to your Canonn approved list of rules? "must not post more than X times per week or will be ignored"?
 
And now, I will start my tinfoil theory:

We do know that INRA tried to hide the Thargoid war from history books, and they actually managed to do that quite successfully. However, we happen to have over 150 alien bases lying around, at jut 300 LY from the Bubble, and noone ever found them during the war?

Ok, let's assume they DID find them and infect them with the mycoid. Why would INRA leave them as a proof that a war ever happened? Why didn't they fully dismantle them, piece by piece, to reverse engineer alien technology, specially knowing that several bases are actually alive? (IE, having working thargoid terminals that react to our scanners, life scavengers, etc). Even more, if they did actually do that, why didn't they bomb the bases to ashes afterwards?

Alright, next possibility: Were the bases there all along, and, somehow, noone ever managed to locate them in over 160 years since the war ended? I mean, its not like an small settlement, it is actually a 10km radius structure that can be spotted from low orbit. How probable is it that not a single explorer ever realized a perfectly symmetrical spiral and green structure on the surface of a dead rock? What are the chances that not a single explorer caught an eye on something so clearly unnatural?

My Hypothesis is that the alien bases were actually "grown" way after the war had ended.

But, how does that fit with the observations? We know that the scavengers seem actually to be "cleaning" the bases from biological material (mycoid concentrations?). So... are they infected with the mycoid?

There are many possibilities that may explain this. Maybe the bases are a way of the Thargoids to develop immunity to the virus. Maybe the bases are actually fighting the Mycoid to develop a resistance for future invasion waves.

I need to recon that the evidence that the Bases seem to be "infected" with something somehow is against my hypothesis. However I do believe that, had the bases been there for about 200 years, we would have found them before. So, if you ask me, my logic tells me that maybe they were not there all that time along.

Adjusting my tinfoil hat, I salute you, fellow scientists!

Looking thru the messages from the uplink devices: https://imgur.com/a/SACDn#MnEHdsM

What I don't see is anything about the mycoid virus being detected, unlike what we get when we scan the scout ship or Jamesons ship. I don't think these bases were infected, but perhaps I'm wrong. I do agree that these have been growing out of the ground.

The logs from GCS Sarasvat speak of how they all didn't disappear and they've been 'under our noses the entire time', meta-alloys can be found at the bases, so there's no reason not to believe that whether they were referring to the barnacles or the structures, that the thargs sewed the seeds for their return:
https://imgur.com/a/M3udT
 
I have respect for you all and the work you've done, so I find it honestly hurts a bit to hear this.

I said at the very start of my thread "This is pure speculation," (which by the way, I didn't clog this page up with, I started a new thread and simply posted a brief link here to it so any discussion could take place on that thread and not here). I speculated, then I backed it up with why I think that's accurate - I'm not sure how that's the wrong things to do? Then I defended that speculation from people who disagreed - perfectly amicably, by explaining each point they brought up and why I think it fits with my speculation - up to the point where continuing to do so would just be repeating the same things over and over... I'm not sure what's bad about that, other than you think I'm wrong (which is fine, many people do).

You seem to forget that one way to figure stuff out is by speculating on things, trying to fit things together and come up with ideas. What's so wrong about that? Has anyone anyone at all got a better idea about Thunderchild? Do any of you at all have any ideas? Why not suggest those as counterpoints rather than just telling me how wrong I am based on what is frankly your supposition and guesswork. If any of you have any actual facts to show that I'm incorrect, I think you'll find that I'm very willing to listen and learn (I'm not going to ask you to look at my past posts because I know you won't :)).

I didn't realise that speculating wasn't allowed, I also didn't realise that speculating in a thread with "Theories and Tinfoil Hattery" was also not allowed, and I didn't realise making jokes was not allowed (I had assumed that putting a smiley in my comment would convey that it was intended as humerous), I had thought we were having an amicable discussion about a fairly crackpot but possible theory. If you feel that there should be a set of rules governing what can and can't be discussed and how that should take place, maybe you should work with the forum moderators and publish a list of things that are and aren't allowed on this thread and forum-at-large so it's easier to understand?

I would like to point out that Canonn doesn't own Elite Dangerous, they don't own the concept of coming up with ideas, and they don't own these forums. Canonn guys have your own website, discord and all sorts of stuff and I don't interfere with any of that - this forum is a public place and we all take part freely. It's great what you guys do, but get down off your high horse and realise that people are allowed to have ideas that aren't Canonn approved.

It's also worth mentioning that 9/10 mind-numbing ground searches, I'm there for. 9/10 infuriatingly dull 'puzzles' laid out by Fdev I'm there for. I read all the Lore and I do my best to lend a hand, I'm always there volunteering to go check out some random idea, testing a new plugin and all that stuff - what more can anyone do? Go check the Pleiades search spreadsheets, my name is on there a LOT along with dozens of other people who do the actual grunt work.

It would be nice if in future you could show a little more respect.

P.S. If you guys think I'm being unfair, you're always free to PM me with your concerns and I'll be happy to discuss things with you so as not to clog up the forum discussions, or do what factabulous does (apparently) and ignore me, maybe they feel there should be an amount that's not "posting too much" that should be appended to your Canonn approved list of rules? "must not post more than X times per week or will be ignored"?

First, I think I owe you an apology. My comment "As a Canonn Institute's field researcher..." was actually meant as a joke. But now, re-reading it, I realize it sounded way more offensive than I intended, and I am honestly sorry for this.

However, I need to point that the title of your thread "Thunderchild is Jameson's son" sound pretty pretentious, as if you had already found the answer and were merely informing the community. When people went there expecting to see a irrefutable proof of your statement... it all sounded like a glorified hypothesis, henze leading people to feel bad.

Anyway, that does not justify how rude I was with my previous comment. I'm sorry for that.
 
Looking thru the messages from the uplink devices: https://imgur.com/a/SACDn#MnEHdsM

What I don't see is anything about the mycoid virus being detected, unlike what we get when we scan the scout ship or Jamesons ship. I don't think these bases were infected, but perhaps I'm wrong. I do agree that these have been growing out of the ground.

The logs from GCS Sarasvat speak of how they all didn't disappear and they've been 'under our noses the entire time', meta-alloys can be found at the bases, so there's no reason not to believe that whether they were referring to the barnacles or the structures, that the thargs sewed the seeds for their return:
https://imgur.com/a/M3udT

I believe there were more messages around the bases. I can't recall the exact wordings, but I remember scanning a message that, despite it did not say "mycoid", it seemed to actually be describing an infective agent.

But also we have some direct observations, like the Scavengers that seem to be cleaning up sstuff from the surfaces to remove them, and some "wounds" in the spikes and such that actually look like some sort of degradation instead of an impact, like an infected wound.
 
I need to ask you for some more clarification. Where do you get the name "Terebelium" for your hypothesis? As long as I know, I could take that points arrangement and eventually find a star pattern that fits well just by looking randomly to the sky -not to mention if I even move to any system I wish!-.


Like many other elite players, I'm an amateur astronomer, and this particular pattern is clearly visible in the Sagittarius constellation (is a bit west of the galactic plane, so it stands alone). Right now it is visible when the sun sets.
I read in one of the threads something about the curious arrangement of the data points and how they make an arrow, but the problem was the fact that since the planet rotates, it projects a disk in the space. But by looking at the pattern, I just notice the similarities to the one on Sagittarius. When I consulted my astronomy software (Stellarium), the name Terebellum appeared. It is probably a mere coincidence, but since Elite loves such mysteries, well, here's the Tinfoil Theory.
BTW, Terebellum is also called Omega Sagittarii
 
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