New AX guns are nice! (AXMC)

Ziljan

Ziljan
JonathanBurnage said:
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I must have soloed at least 10 Cyclops with my Corvette with the class 2 Ax weapons. With the class 3 Ax multicannons I can now take one down in minutes. Yes the Anaconda is also good - in fact probably the meta now. But the Corvette still has better shields, speed and agility. It won't realise its full potential until we get class 4 Ax weapons, but I think it's rather strong to say it sucks.
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The Corvette does have better shields, but it definitely doesn't have better speed or agility. Shields count for very little vs Thargoids in any case. MRPs are arguably more important. And btw, I've killed dozens of Thargoids in my Conda and my Corvette, and the Conda is just laughably easier. So in that sense, the Corvette does suck. When we finally get C4s the effective DPS of the Conda and Corvette will both scale as 6.5 C2s. However...

The real issue with the Corvette is that it has too few C2+ hardpoints, and apart from the C4 mounts, it has pretty terrible convergence. The C4 and C3 mounts under the Conda have as-good-or-better convergence than the Corvette C4s, and the combined convergence of all Conda hardpoints is 4x tighter than the Corvette. Hell even for PVE, the Conda is a better DPSer in general with several optimal builds. Whereas the Corvette has maybe 1 or 2 builds that can compete with Conda level DPS. I've analyzed this for a year now, and I've finally just faced the facts. The Corvette grind was a complete waste of time.
 
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JonathanBurnage

JonathanBurnage
Corvette is quantifiably faster and more agile than Anaconda. See Coriolis or any of the threads where they’ve been tested. It’s not a big speed gap, and the Anaconda is certainly closer to the Corvette than the Cutter for manoeuvre.

Personally I quite value my shields vs Thargoids. I know people use bi-weave successfully, with HRPs/MRPs to tank the damage when they are down. Fair play to them; I prefer the prismatic route and don’t let them drop in the first place. Thargoids do considerable phasing damage, but it’s still worthwhile keeping your shields up.

You’re right about the hardpoints. Corvette is excellent against big ships and not that good against small ones. Anaconda is strong against all of them. But I like flying my Corvette. With some good pip management and a dash of FA-off, it’s just like a big FdL.
 

Jaylem

Jaylem
Jmanis said:
As a follow-up, I just landed at a military planetary base in Pleiades Sector AB-W b2-4, no sign of them there either, despite that being the place they're meant to be...
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did you participate?

It said after the CG 'Bug' that all participants would receive their modules from stations and military outposts...perhaps the module is exclusive for those who entered?
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Jaylem said:
did you participate?

It said after the CG 'Bug' that all participants would receive their modules from stations and military outposts...perhaps the module is exclusive for those who entered?
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I was a top 10 participant ;) Also bugreported that participants didn't get the Tier 1 credit rewards either...
 
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MUSKETEER

MUSKETEER
I took my Vette without Flak Launcher, AX Fighter, on top of that I forgot to restock my AX missles.... so only 3 x large multicannons and small beams and I just solo killed a Thargoid a while ago.

So I must say those new multicannons are good, but they will probably get nerfed.
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
MUSKETEER said:
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So I must say those new multicannons are good, but they will probably get nerfed.
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Given how long it still takes to Solo a Thargoid, I sure hope not. At most I could kill 2-3 per hour at my current rate! I am a bit rusty, but still not a bad pilot either. Imo neither the MCs not the AX fighter need or needed a nerf of any kind. In fact I would say we need C4 AX weapons asap, because very likely the Thargoids are going to get even more deadly and start hunting us in pacts.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Ziljan said:
Given how long it still takes to Solo a Thargoid, I sure hope not. At most I could kill 2-3 per hour at my current rate! I am a bit rusty, but still not a bad pilot either. Imo neither the MCs not the AX fighter need or needed a nerf of any kind. In fact I would say we need C4 AX weapons asap, because very likely the Thargoids are going to get even more deadly and start hunting us in pacts.
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That and it wouldn't make sense for a narrative concerning the ongoing development of anti-thargoid weaponry to never actually provide a clear genuine advantage against some types of Thargoid.

EDIT: While I admit the 3 x C3 AX Multicannons (last fit was an AX Missile Launcher) did rip through the Thargoid Cyclops hearts faster (That increased penetration means you can actually do damage reliably from behind which is great), my facetanking tactics meant I got through the Cyclops with 25% hull to spare.

Conversely, I took on a Basilisk which I managed to exert a heart on (no real chance of that previously) but it was far more resilient to damage. I got it down to 85%, but my hull was also at 85% by that stage. No way would I have lasted a full encounter to even come close to soloing it, so this seems pretty balanced at the moment (without using the "switch to fighter to make it stop firing" bug thing)
 
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Ziljan

Ziljan
JonathanBurnage said:
Corvette is quantifiably faster and more agile than Anaconda. See Coriolis or any of the threads where they’ve been tested. It’s not a big speed gap, and the Anaconda is certainly closer to the Corvette than the Cutter for manoeuvre.

Personally I quite value my shields vs Thargoids. I know people use bi-weave successfully, with HRPs/MRPs to tank the damage when they are down. Fair play to them; I prefer the prismatic route and don’t let them drop in the first place. Thargoids do considerable phasing damage, but it’s still worthwhile keeping your shields up.

You’re right about the hardpoints. Corvette is excellent against big ships and not that good against small ones. Anaconda is strong against all of them. But I like flying my Corvette. With some good pip management and a dash of FA-off, it’s just like a big FdL.
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Coriolis does say that the Vette is a couple m/s faster than the Conda, but this is theory crafting. My own G5 dirty drive performs about 10 m/s faster in the Conda, even while the Conda has 2000 more hull. The repair cost is identical to a Corvette with intact shields, and agility is much better because half the time I'm not fretting about SYS pips. And with the 2x C3 AX missiles + improved build specific agility, I can fairly easily exert a heart in less than half the time it takes on a Corvette (which has much wider missile convergence and mismatched clip sizes).

So yeah, fighting while using a Corvette is certainly possible, but compared to the Conda you're gimping yourself. Imo this is the opposite of what you'd expect for a purportedly "combat focused" rank locked ship. Which at 19 deg/s zero-pip pitch rate btw flies more like a T9 than an FDL.
 

JonathanBurnage

JonathanBurnage
Depends on your drive roll I think. One is more sensitive to optimal mass and the other optimal multiplier (can't remember which way around). The FdL also handles pretty terribly with zero pips to ENG, so I think my analogy is quite good!

You are correct that the Corvette hardpoints don't have such great convergence (bar the C4s) - but the interceptor is a pretty big target. I've never had trouble hitting it.

Did you have anymore luck with the flak btw?
 
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Lobey

Lobey
I rate the Python and the Gunship above the vette and conda for fighting Thargoids in general (Gunship in group especially) and I still find that you can ignore the swarm when fighting Cyclops - especially in the Python - you can just outdrive them backwards.
 

MUSKETEER

MUSKETEER
Ziljan said:
Given how long it still takes to Solo a Thargoid, I sure hope not. At most I could kill 2-3 per hour at my current rate! I am a bit rusty, but still not a bad pilot either. Imo neither the MCs not the AX fighter need or needed a nerf of any kind. In fact I would say we need C4 AX weapons asap, because very likely the Thargoids are going to get even more deadly and start hunting us in pacts.
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It takes less than 5 minutes to kill a Thargoid solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqDrpDgyMM
 
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MUSKETEER

MUSKETEER
CmdrZaratan said:
What's your hull integrity in that video?
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Just over 6k... I also used Module Reinforcement Packages.
I use Point Defence and they fire... but I'm not convinced that they work at all. In my Gunship I had no PD and it didn't feel any different.
The only thing I want to buy to improve things (but cant be bothered to travel 200Ly+ atm) is the neutraliser.
 
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