General / Off-Topic Global Appeal for Next Charity Livestream

[-VR- Max Factor]

By that logic, anybody who makes a suggestion to change ED either doesn't like ED, or is implying Frontier are doing it wrong.

Sometimes a suggestion is just a suggestion.

It's the way Cosmo has written his post. It sounds like it isn't appealing to help this charity and the people they help because they are British. Nationality really shouldn't even be thought about. Its a charity helping people in need. Whether it's British or not shouldn't even be an issue. That is what the problem is.

 

[Non Grata]

Perhaps FD will be gracious enough to chip in with ideas for the OP's next 24 hour charity stream too.

 

[Enderby]

As someone else has said, if you don’t appeove of the charity chosen by FD, why not just go and donate to whatever charity, in whatever frickin country, that does meet with your approval.

Instead of moaning like a .
Some people.

 

[VR jefranklin18]

OP suggests Frontier expand their charity event to include organisations with a worldwide reach as well; and you think he's having a go at Frontier for some kind of kick?
Wow. Really. Just.. wow.


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Wow.. OP makes a suggestion to include an international charity to help MORE people.. and you lot get upset about it.
Well done guys.

My point is that Frontier has an established relationship with Special Effect that has been ongoing for several years and cannot be expected to throw that away on a whim.

Certain posters in this forum take any given opportunity to lay in to Frontier, for whatever perceived slight they have incurred. My tolerance for such posters is pretty low nowadays.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

It's the way Cosmo has written his post. It sounds like it isn't appealing to help this charity and the people they help because they are British. Natuonality really shouldn't even be thought about. Its a charity helping people in need. Whether it's British or not shouldn't even be an issue. That is what the problem is.

@Bold: I can understand that. I read it completely differently.

Humans are more likely to contribute to/support something that is closer to home than we are to something distant.
We have an inherent selfishness. Kinda like how we have a tendency to care more about the fact our friend has cancer, than a war on the other side of the planet.

My theory (suggestion isn't the right word here) would be to have a selection of charities people can choose from. I seem to recall a game developer a number of years ago did just that; they gave you a number of charities you could donate to, broken up by region or country. Some people ended up donating to multiple charities.
I'm by no means saying Frontier must do it; but there's no harm in doing it.

This doesn't mean we can't all just go out and donate anyway, nor is that the point. The point is as I mentioned above; humans are selfish and more inclined to be charitable when said charity is closer to home - so suggesting Frontier provide an option to their global audience as well.. well, it's really not a bad suggestion in my books.
If Frontier gave people the choice; they'd also likely raise more money .. more money = more people being helped. I'm really not seeing a downside here.

Nationality shouldn't be thought about, I agree; but it often is - even if it's a subconscious thought or bias that influences our decisions.


-Edited for clarity-

 

[verminstar]

It is strange to suggest to people who spend their own time to do such massive auction to change charity. Either you don't like charity or imply people are doing it wrong.

Have ye read the op? Hes the one implying people are doing it wrong and yer having a go at the wrong guy ^

 

[Aashenfox]

Holy christ, this guy will complain about ANYTHING. FD is a UK based company, you might as well complain that the money you paid for Elite isn't going into your own country's economy.

It is not a good point at all, if I do a charity event and people aren't happy with the charity I chose, first of all they should keep that to themselves (sic: they can take a running jump), cos it's got nothing to do with them, and secondly it's my bloody company I'll support whatever charity I want! If you don't like it don't participate.

What is going on in this world? I don't even...

Cosmo you finally made it onto my ignore list, not that I'm sure you care, or maybe you'll now make a thread saying we shouldn't have ignore lists. /rolleyes

 

[S3B4ST13N]

My point is that Frontier has an established relationship with Special Effect that has been ongoing for several years and cannot be expected to throw that away on a whim.

His post didn't say anything about throwing it away; he actually said "..should include for example Child's Play Charity.." - emphasis on "include" - this means "add more than one charity to donate to" not "get rid of Special Effect and replace it with [x]."

Which is why I don't understand everyone's vehemence over his suggestion.

Certain posters in this forum take any given opportunity to lay in to Frontier, for whatever perceived slight they have incurred. My tolerance for such posters is pretty low
nowadays.

I understand that - but I personally don't think that's what Cosmo did here at all.

 

[Aashenfox]

His post didn't say anything about throwing it away; he actually said "..should include for example Child's Play Charity.." - emphasis on "include" - this means "add more than one charity to donate to" not "get rid of Special Effect and replace it with [x]."

Which is why I don't understand everyone's vehemence over his suggestion.


I understand that - but I personally don't think that's what Cosmo did here at all.

Yeh, it is. The guy only does one thing. Bash FD. Nothing else. But in any case, I'd have been incredulous and DELIBERATELY RUDE to anyone making such a topic. A company gives to a charity in good faith and there are people who have a complaint? I find that utterly DISGUSTING and it enrages me to think that this is what the world has come to. People can't even give to CHARITY without being criticised.

I'm....I don't know what I am, completely disappointed in my fellow man, losing hope in humanity, perhaps we should all die in a huge nuclear explosion, I really think we deserve it sometimes.

The sheer selfishness boggles my mind. Your charity doesn't help anyone where I am, so it's not worth my participation...I'm stunned.

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

I think they should stick to UK charities - international ones are harder to track and require far more policing to know where the money has been well spent.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

People support charities that are close to their heart. Special Effects is close to DB's heart, and as the owner of the company its no surprise he wants to use his influence to support the charity of his choice.

I see nothing wrong with this.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

Yeh, it is. The guy only does one thing. Bash FD. Nothing else. But in any case, I'd have been incredulous and DELIBERATELY RUDE to anyone making such a topic. A company gives to a charity in good faith and there are people who have a complaint? I find that utterly DISGUSTING and it enrages me to think that this is what the world has come to. People can't even give to CHARITY without being criticised.

I'm....I don't know what I am, completely disappointed in my fellow man.

Personally I prefer to take each thread/post on it's own merits. I've had disagreements with people on one thread, and rep them on the next; pretty sure that causes some confusion though.

Try it like this (humour me):

Instead of looking at the poster (Cosmo), look at the content of the thread and summarise it into two points:

1. A suggestion that Frontier include international charities as well as their local one on their next drive to appeal to their global audience,
2. A congratulation to Frontier on a successful charity drive this year.

Is that complaining? Or is that asking for Frontier to spread their arms a little wider and support other charities as well, thereby reaching more people in need?

As I said above, humans are selfish - so we tend to more inclined to offer charity to charities closer to home; whether we're aware of this bias, or not.

 

[lokvette]

It occurred to me today that this particular doggerel might refer to the origin of charity rather than its destination.

Aye, all I know is it was somthing my foster mum used to say to me.
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The only charity I give to is the RBL. But have donated to others over the years, I can understand the why behind the OP, but it does seem a bit OTT to be making a thread about where or what direction FD do charity work, as others have said nothing stoping anyone sending anything to the charity of their choice be it local, national or international.

 

[Sir.Tj]

As Agony Aunt said, it's a charity that David Braben supports and is an ambassador for them along with a number of other community members and he likes to support them where he can.

It really is as simple as that.

If a user wants to support another charity that's fantastic and all power to them.

Please remember to discuss the post and not the poster.

 

[Whitehair]

Personally I prefer to take each thread/post on it's own merits. I've had disagreements with people on one thread, and rep them on the next; pretty sure that causes some confusion though.

Try it like this (humour me):

Instead of looking at the poster (Cosmo), look at the content of the thread and summarise it into two points:

1. A suggestion that Frontier include international charities as well as their local one on their next drive to appeal to their global audience,
2. A congratulation to Frontier on a successful charity drive this year.

Is that complaining? Or is that asking for Frontier to spread their arms a little wider and support other charities as well, thereby reaching more people in need?

As I said above, humans are selfish - so we tend to more inclined to offer charity to charities closer to home; whether we're aware of this bias, or not.

The premise is broken.

International customers means nothing more than that a company has customers in different countries. As does just about any company advertising on the internet today.

I'm not sticking my oar in the internal affairs of a company based in Germany that I happen to order computer components from, nor am I going to go on their forums to suggest that they broaden their horizons to support local efforts in my country. Why should they? Why should I?

 

[amigacooke]

Is that complaining? Or is that asking for Frontier to spread their arms a little wider and support other charities as well, thereby reaching more people in need?

As I said above, humans are selfish - so we tend to more inclined to offer charity to charities closer to home; whether we're aware of this bias, or not.

Couple of points:

• For a given amount raised (and assuming all costs are even) spreading arms wider would lead to a greater number of locations helped rather than a greater number of people.
• Does selfishness work on a sliding scale according to distance?

 

[Sir.Tj]

Ok moved to Off Topic as it's not actually about the game.

If the arguing continues I'll just close or delete the thread.

Thanks.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

Couple of points:

• For a given amount raised (and assuming all costs are even) spreading arms wider would lead to a greater number of locations helped rather than a greater number of people.
• Does selfishness work on a sliding scale according to distance?

First point doesn't make sense to me, sorry. If SE help 100 people, and CPC helps 100 people .. or if SE helps 100 people and CPC only helps 1 .. still more people helped. You might need to clarify for me.


In a way.
“Too Far to Help: The Effect of Perceived Distance on the Expected Impact and Likelihood of Charitable Action,” a new study from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business to be published in the forthcoming Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, found that people are more willing to help charitable causes close to home because they think their donation will have a stronger impact than if given to a faraway cause.

“People metaphorically apply their knowledge about physical impact to charitable actions,” said Chicago Booth Professor Ayelet Fishbach, who conducted the study with Maferima Touré-Tillery of Northwestern University. “Real and perceived spatial distance negatively influence the expected impact, and hence the likelihood of charitable action.”

You can read the full article here: https://newschicagobooth.uchicago.e...-more-likely-donate-local-charity-distant-one

So, if Frontier had say a list of charities from various countries that the community could choose from - those who did not, would be more inclined to donate; and well, that's not a bad thing at all.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

I'm not sticking my oar in the internal affairs of a company based in Germany that I happen to order computer components from, nor am I going to go on their forums to suggest that they broaden their horizons to support local efforts in my country. Why should they? Why should I?

The German company has already asked you to donate though.
They've asked you to donate to support a great cause in their country; a country you might not be a part of.
You don't have to donate of course; but they have asked.
They've done poked you with that oar.

So, I then don't see anything wrong with someone asking that same company to also add another cause that does the same thing and would allow international customers the opportunity to donate; an action they'd likely not have taken given the human propensity to allow "real and perceived spatial distance" to "negatively influence [...] the likelihood of charitable action."

 

[amigacooke]

First point doesn't make sense to me, sorry. If SE help 100 people, and CPC helps 100 people .. or if SE helps 100 people and CPC only helps 1 .. still more people helped. You might need to clarify for me.

I'm trying to make the point that for a given amount of money, donations to a different charity equate to different people helped rather than more people helped.

Badly, obviously.