Star Citizen Discussions v7

[PiLhEaD]

...Counsel must approach the bench at 24FPS.

Woah!!!! That's way too fast for the defendants....

Anyone wondering what Erin's thinking/doing about now?

But, back to the subject at hand:

I have a reply but it consists entirely of me laughing

e. and just now, Google has pushed the news that CIG are being sued to my phone. Yep. This is big!

 

[LeoBartlet]

Lets spare a thought for all the white knights spending their next few days white knighting all over the internet sites covering todays news.

Hope they've stocked up on fluids and rubber sheets.

 

[DLewth]

The cinematic experience, gritty realism and fidelity is increased by handwaving it into a criminal matter rather than a civil case.

Counsel must approach the bench at 24FPS.

Then glitch into courtroom 3.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Then glitch into courtroom 3.

This might end up being a good thing for SC, Once space Cthulhu is called to give evidence what jury is going to side against them.

 

[DLewth]

This might end up being a good thing for SC, Once space Cthulhu is called to give evidence what jury is going to side against them.

"Court will now recess for 5 minutes while juror number 7 is consumed. Anyone else on Crytek's side?"

 

[Cosmo]

If CIG still has tens of millions of dollars in reserves, then this won't bring down CIG or SC. At worst it would delay development and substantially reduce their budget. If CIG can't afford a legal settlement then it would mean either SC development stops and/or what remains is sold to another company.

 

[AJW]

If CIG still has tens of millions of dollars in reserves, then this won't bring down CIG or SC. At worst it would delay development and substantially reduce their development budget. If CIG can't afford a legal settlement then it would mean either SC developments stops completely or what remains is sold to another company.

If CIG can't afford a legal settlement than nobody is going to buy any 'remains'. Because without a settlement nobody will know whether the 'remains' can legally be used...

 

[Asp Explorer]

If CIG still has tens of millions of dollars in reserves, then this won't bring down CIG or SC. At worst it would delay development and substantially reduce their development budget. If CIG can't afford a legal settlement then it would mean either SC developments stops completely or what remains is sold to another company.

Wouldn't it have made much more sense to just stick with the terms of the contract and avoid this entirely?

Even if mistakes were made, CIG have had all this time and opportunity to make right and come to an amicable agreement - and that has clearly not happened because there is now litigation. Companies usually don't litigate unless they have no other choice (or their prime reason for existing is litigating) as it's time consuming, stressful, expensive, wasteful and takes up court time that could be better used.

Just what has gone on will make for some very, very interesting reading indeed.

 

[milligna]

Boy, you take a little time to celebrate Dougie Jones and give Fallout 4 VR a spin, you miss epic Star Citizen drama!

Skadden has them by the jpgs -- a trail of vanity filled with CryEngine mentions ideal for presenting in court one after another. Plus, it's PERSONAL for the remaining CryTek employees - imagine the years of lies and nonsense they put up with to bring them to this point. The countless broken promises over something they started pro bono reportedly when everybody else would have nothing to do with 90s driftwood. The classic story of Magical Germans hoodwinked by slick LA jerks in slimming black.

This is going to be tasty.

It's also a good escape hatch for CR if he has the sense to go off on the road to Monaco, then the remaining whales can crowdfund Ben Lesnick so he can make a terrible game in Unity with the assets and possibly buy some cybernetic organ replacements to ensure he can still somewhat function when it's fully operational.

Will the engine forking discussions from these very threads feature in a stirring bit of high drama that has a graphics expert breaking down and blaming society? Tune in approx three years from now in... OBJECTION OVERRULED: The Chris Roberts Story.

If I were him, I'd double whatever offer they made before and settle for whatever he could scrape up. If they are near broke and living hand to spaceship, sell the backers stake in the project and exit stage left, stage right even. This would be humiliating, painful, and NOT GO WELL AT ALL if it saw a courtroom.

Star Citizen: Defendants utterly failed to follow through on those promises

[Skadden! Like some terrifying Tolkien abomination. I bet they have really expensive shoes, too.]

 

[TenakaFurey]

Now, I've been working on the assumption that they somehow managed to fluff activating the termination clause. However...

For years we've been scratching our heads over the bizarre decision not to write their own engine, when they had enough hard cash to do so a dozen times - but what if there was no termination clause? What if Ortwin "here's your money Mr Costner" Freyermuth forgot to put one in or ask for one? And they've been stuck trying to cobble this rubbish together on a hopelessly unsuitable engine (with laughable results) ever since. And now Crytek have enough money for lawyers again, so...

I don't know, of course, but it fits. And it would be hilarious.

Asp - Encore de lulzbuckets, s'il vous plaît.

Yes - I've speculated on that before, but it doesn't explain their switching to the Lumberyard engine.

Unless they want o try the "But Lumberyard is based on CryEngine so it is still using their engine" defence?

Which still leaves them open to sharing the code with the third parties and the public, and removing CryTek promotional material and so on.
And by "open", I mean pleading guilty to....

 

[imski]

I wonder if my metal card thing for being one of the original backers will become a piece of obscure gaming memorabilia now?

****e.t.a.

I mean moreso

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

If CIG can't afford a legal settlement than nobody is going to buy any 'remains'. Because without a settlement nobody will know whether the 'remains' can legally be used...

or indeed anyone who picks it up still won't be able to get it to reach the rack.

 

[DLewth]

Yes - I've speculated on that before, but it doesn't explain their switching to the Lumberyard engine.

Unless they want o try the "But Lumberyard is based on CryEngine so it is still using their engine" defence?

Which still leaves them open to sharing the code with the third parties and the public, and removing CryTek promotional material and so on.
And by "open", I mean pleading guilty to....

I think they ended up stuck with CE - partly for legal reasons, partly because that's what they had put all the effort into and it was too late to switch out (There might be a bit of sunk cost fallacy in there). But, they were completely out of their depth with the server-side stuff (never mind the server meshing, the cable wouldn't reach the rack) so the only thing they could do was jump to Lumberyard and hope Crytek were actually dead.

Which worked fine until Crytek sold the Sofia outfit to Sega, and rose from the grave like a lawyered up Jason Voorhees.

 

[Asp Explorer]

or indeed anyone who picks it up still won't be able to get it to reach the rack.

Even in the eventuality CIG and the rest of their corporate entities go bust and opened for selloff for creditors, you'd only be able to buy a bunch of old, poorly configured and mishandled commodity Dell boxes - not even run in a environmentally controlled PPEE, and a fibre tortured to within a micron of it's bend radius tolerance

They don't have any assets.

 

[Cosmo]

Is this true?

AllGamer:
You know the funny thing about all these revelations?

Ex-Crytek lawyer helps CIG get Cryengine,

CIG buy out Crytek license to do what they want,

CIG hires Crytek guys that have not been paid for months,

Crytek is going bankrupt and is saved by Amazon,

Amazon buys out Cryengine and adds it to Lumberyard,

CIG switches to Lumberyard which has Cryengine support,

Crytek cries about CIG switching over to Amazon to use Cryengine inside Lumberyard.

All parties and technology involved have had past connections with Crytek.

So, Crytek seems to be chasing its own tail, going round and round...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...eritless_lawsuit_that_we_will_defend/dr7q9a4/

 

[imski]

No law firm would take on this case if it was that straightforward.

CIG are in trouble, this must have taken months of talks to break down to get to a suit.

 

[Cosmo]

No law firm would take on this case if it was that straightforward.

CIG are in trouble, this must have taken months of talks to break down to get to a suit.

A law firm takes on a case as long as they get paid enough. The lawyers don't need to win, they get paid either way. Skadden probably saw that they could gain more from the lawsuit.

 

[DLewth]

Is this true?

AllGamer:
You know the funny thing about all these revelations?

Ex-Crytek lawyer helps CIG get Cryengine,

CIG buy out Crytek license to do what they want,

CIG hires Crytek guys that have not been paid for months,

Crytek is going bankrupt and is saved by Amazon,

Amazon buys out Cryengine and adds it to Lumberyard,

CIG switches to Lumberyard which has Cryengine support,

Crytek cries about CIG switching over to Amazon to use Cryengine inside Lumberyard.

All parties and technology involved have had past connections with Crytek.

So, Crytek seems to be chasing its own tail, going round and round...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...eritless_lawsuit_that_we_will_defend/dr7q9a4/

Both CIG and Amazon have had dealings with CT.
Both CT and Amazon have had dealings with CIG.
Both CT and CIG have had dealings with Amazon.

Not sure where you're going with this...

 

[DLewth]

A law firm takes on a case as long as they get paid enough. The lawyers don't need to win the case, they get paid either way.

Bad reputation if they lose a high profile case though. And this will be.

 

[PiLhEaD]

If CIG still has tens of millions of dollars in reserves, then this won't bring down CIG or SC. At worst it would delay development and substantially reduce their budget. If CIG can't afford a legal settlement then it would mean either SC development stops and/or what remains is sold to another company.

I suspect very few people know how much money - liquid or otherwise - CIG have in reserve, and your 'at worst' is actually my 'at best' outcome.

This whole thing smells a lot of an existential threat to CIG, where the worst outcome is bankruptcy and the end of the dream.

In such an event I love your optimistic view that what's left would be 'sold' on to be completed. Now, whilst via bankruptcy with all debts 'absolved', a.n.other company may theoretically produce a Star Citizen and/or Squadron 42, they will not be beholden to the/any (stretch) goals, and everyone will need to pay money to get the game. No matter how many dollars any backer had previously donated to the now bankrupt CIG.

Let's just say that again - if CIG go under all money donated has gone, and will deliver nothing, no game, no Idris. If you want said game with/out Idris, you will need to pay 39.99, just like everyone else, be you backer or not. Assuming anyone cares to pick the remains up and tries to produce a game.

Bad reputation if they lose a high profile case though. And this will be.

I honestly don't see CIG as a high profile case. A test case maybe, but headline news it is not.