you need elite for shinrarta. and what's that i-sola thing? can't find it in eddb. how did you know about it?
Still as Inconvenient as Possible to Play
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you need elite for shinrarta. and what's that i-sola thing? can't find it in eddb. how did you know about it?
Exactly, all people need to do is install ED market Connector, get inara linked up. For me inara is as much a part of the game as the galaxy map.
@znôrt I-Sola is a surface port, sells every ship and module at a premium. I know about it because I helped to build it along with many others during a CG, details are in Galnet.
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Can I haz ur stuff then?
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It took me much less than a minute to open the page: https://eddb.io/station
type in "Vulture" & "Imperial Courier" into the "Station Sells Ships" box, add my reference system and find a location that sells both.
I really don't understand what all the fuss is about with the need (or not) for 3rd party apps. To me this seems more realistic after all most people use 3rd party app's for navigation, finding where the best deals on products are etc etc.
TBH when I read items like OP it just says to me "I actually don't want to play ED <full stop>"
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It took me much less than a minute to open the page: https://eddb.io/station
type in "Vulture" & "Imperial Courier" into the "Station Sells Ships" box, add my reference system and find a location that sells both.
I really don't understand what all the fuss is about with the need (or not) for 3rd party apps. To me this seems more realistic after all most people use 3rd party app's for navigation, finding where the best deals on products are etc etc.
TBH when I read items like OP it just says to me "I actually don't want to play ED <full stop>"
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And yet we have telepresence and messaging across the galaxy. OP is right.
Now that doesn't mean I want Frontier to mimic the work of 3PD. I don't have confidence they will get it right (remember powerplay, engineers, multi-crew, missions,...). Instead we need an API and tools so 3PD information can displayed in-game.
If a 3PD goes out of business, so to speak, then Frontier can think about inhouse development or incentivizing another developer.
I've played this game for 300 or so hours. as someone else mentioned, you need elite to access shinrata and I've never heard of the other system, nor can I seem to find it. how would I know the name / location of those two systems without having already been there, or being elite, or digging around on websites filtering by module type?
I can filter by hi-tech, but not every system type is guaranteed to have a module, and lack of information is compounded by the fact that they sometimes run out even when they're supposed to have it. given the only way you'd know for sure they're supposed to have it, you're right back to the original problem: with no in game system to tell you what should be at a location as a probable stock, you're just guessing or using 3rd party sources to work it out.
the "choice" is, quite literally, imposed by something basic that isn't in the game. I was hoping module / ship info would be included as part of the "trading" addition to Q1 beyond; was disappointed to see it's just goods and nothing else.
and you *still* have to remove your helmet with a vive unless you go buy ovrdrop, and that's not guaranteed to solve the problem either.
that's their choice, and it's not a very good one. regardless of effort put in by site creators, that information should exist in game. does anyone think that the majority of people playing this game would even know what "all people need to do is install ED market Connector, get inara linked up" means? how many additional hoops do people have to jump through, simply to find out that a module or ship is sold at a station?
I didn't mention ED Market Connector or Inara. Just to be clear. And it still doesn't invalidate the point that the third-party tools are not some kind of proof that the game is "inconvenient."
This.
As already mentioned, I-Sola is a one stop shop for everything, we had a community goal. Seems like you want to be hand held, do some research (No, not inara). It was part of a community goal so all details are in game.
i Sola Prospect is a planetary outpost on planet Brestla A 1 in the Brestla system which has all modules and ships in stock. It has a 20% price increase to compensate. This was achieved with the community goal 'Campaign to Develop i Sola Prospect'.[1]
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I know, quote button messed up on mobile so I've moved to desktop.
I don't think "use this then connect that to this thing" is actually a sensible fix to the problem for most people playing the game, because it all seems like a fair bit of additional work to find some modules if you don't want to go ask on reddit, here, or a) hunt for websites to use then b) use them. I also don't think using galnet to dig out some obscure and poorly hidden post about a CG is the best way to find out a system sells specific modules, because I mean, why would it be? at best, I can do dig around and find out the station 777Driver built exists. okay; this still doesn't tell me a thing about module or ship availability and the other system mentioned requires a permit.
if I have to use third party tools, and I have to keep using these third party sites as everyone keeps telling me I should, then I literally have to buy an additional app or remove my helmet to open a web browser. I cannot think of a single other VR game I own where I have to keep doing that, and that includes strategy games / systems similar to "buy thing to improve a thing" the way we do with ships in elite.
how is that not inconvenient?
If you buy any additional app, you're getting ripped off...FDev does NOT allow makers of third party tools to sell their apps, and one who tried to got shut down. The legit ones are all free.
Speaking of free, there's a neat little program called V (that's also free) that lets you have a position-able window in VR from which you can use tools like EDDB.io
http://www.hellov.io/
the app in question is ovrdrop, a vr program on steam, which up to this point is the only semi reliable way to open browsers in game for a vive and even then prone to failure. I've tried V, and it didn't work properly on either of my systems. I appreciate the link though, it may be of use to others reading so cheers.
most 3rd party tools are opensource and, as such, could accept donations. frontier having a problem with that could be one last nail on the coffin.
btw, haven't used v in a while. has it improved lately?
I'll concede that point; I see in the V discord the frustration every time Steam does an update to the VR component it seems something breaks the app. They are constantly working on it though, and had a recent slew of updates. Might want to try the latest build.
They had three updates in December, and yes, it's getting better. And I'll admit not knowing FDev's position on donations to any of the projects.
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sorry dude, but some community goal out of hundreds from the start of 2016(?), in a poorly filtered galnet with no easy way to search, is not a better solution than "tell me what stuff is available nearby". you keep telling me people should rely on some sort of pre-aquired knowledge, which is half the problem in the first place. how would I know this this is even in galnet, that this event took place, that this system has everything, much less go digging back how far exactly, without being told about it or - again - scrolling back through potentially hundreds of boilerplate galnet blurbs? that isn't a solution. half the time the browser links on the game launcher don't open, never mind a functional galnet.
Dude, a 5 second search online would have told you all you need to know, yes an ingame marker would be a good QoL feature (Something for the suggestion forum) But lets not make it into a big deal. Bookmark the stations I posted, it's all you need.
Blackcompany is known for whinge threads, I should have known better.
Compared to the "I want the game to be a miserable experience" crowd, you mean?
Doesn't EDDB offer the ability to find specific ships for sale at specific systems within a range of your current location?
I've been Elite for so long now I can't remember for sure and of course I now get all my stuff at Founders World/Sinrarta Dezra, but I distinctly remember being able to search for specific ships using EDDB and it would return results of where that ship was for sale based on distance from my present location. Same goes for modules.
Is this no longer a thing?
Is the OP unaware of the power of third party tools for this game? Obviously it would be preferable if you could do all this in-game, but if you are serious about finding something with the least amount of effort, it is kind of mandatory at this point in time to turn to something like EDDB and other third party tools.
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...j69i57j0l3.14259j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I started typing in "i sola" and google autocompleted it. All you need to know in the first link.
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OK I'll accept that if you use VR then 3rd party tools are not so easy to use (perhaps they will be now with OR Dash 2.0) but given FD's track record with ingame menus (outfitting etc) do you really want to rely on ingame systems?
I'd also add that 3rd party app's make themselves lean and mean through the forces of competition. You really do get the best service this way.
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...j69i57j0l3.14259j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I started typing in "i sola" and google autocompleted it. All you need to know in the first link.
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OK I'll accept that if you use VR then 3rd party tools are not so easy to use (perhaps they will be now with OR Dash 2.0) but given FD's track record with ingame menus (outfitting etc) do you really want to rely on ingame systems?
I'd also add that 3rd party app's make themselves lean and mean through the forces of competition. You really do get the best service this way.
I think the OP is full of it though. There will be ships he could have used for combat, he is just wants to complain about the game. At first it's the game is on maintenance mode and the devs are working on other games, well I think beyond has proven him wrong so far, and now he needs to moan about something else, so is just making something up. I would be very surprised if there were no eagles, Cobras, vipers or any other multirole ship in the shipyard which he could have used while he waited for his dedicated combat ship to arrive. He is just looking for an excuse to moan and whine about something.
I did a search, which is how I know it's from 2016. what I'm asking you is how a player - especially a new player, or any player really - would know to look specifically for this station in galnet, scroll all the way back to 2016 hoping to randomly stumble across some text for the community goal they'd know nothing about and a snippet of text that says "it sells everything" as their solution to not knowing who sells what? your suggestions are for places which are permit locked / need elite, a two year old community goal, or now also include "just bookmark my post, it's all you need" - aka, yet another source of information external to the game that people not on the forums wouldn't even see.
I have no idea what or who black company is but people raising genuine concerns about basic "why is this not in game" functionality shouldn't be dismissed as whinges about nothing, or told to "do some research". I want someone, anyone, who thinks this isn't a problem to simply tell me how having to remove a VR helmet and fire up chrome on a regular basis to perform what should be otherwise basic in game tasks, isn't intrusive or a pain in the backside.
for the people who object to this information not being available while playing, telling them "well you could just google x or y" is missing the entire reason they have an issue with it - they don't want to keep tabbing out in the first place. again: for vive, unless you get lucky with V or pay for ovrdrop, staying in game isn't an option for the most part. when this game is absolutely incredibly immersive on a level I've rarely seen in other VR titles, it's a huge shame. I readily paid for ovrdrop so I can stay in my headset; but I don't feel it's a solution to the problem by any means.
Indeed, FDev is making headway on the kind of solution you're talking about. Thursday's livestream detailed in-game trade tools, and the Q4 update will be adding the Codex, which is both a journal of where you've been and a source of in-game lore and information. It's coming, but they've got a lot they're working on all at once. My biggest concern is "how big will the Q1 update be in terms of download size, and if that's the small update compared to Q4, how big is THAT one?"