Caveat Emptor.
"Dangerous is definitely not for everyone - and that's a real strength" [Eurogamer]
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Caveat Emptor.
The game is planned to come out in PC and Mac man. Any considerations about other platforms can and will come after the game is released and viable. Personally, I'm looking forward to Linux support.
Also, what many people forget about consoles is that they are currently medium range PCs in architecture and capabilities (and the development and porting process is different than the past). If FDEV can scale the game to be used in the following:
...then they will certainly be able to port the game if they wish to.
Will it look as good as the PC version will? Hell no. As we know, ED is built to be future-proof, and at release it might easily melt a Titan or two..
Will it force FDEV to make concessions to the PC build they are making right now? Again, hell no.
In any case, this is a conversation for 2015-6 or so..XD
Instead of whining about the small amount of features in standard beta and asking for a refund, you should just go away from this game and community and come back after it is in the release version. Look at your reputation. It's completely red.
its eeriness contrasted by the vivid visual & auditive experience feels as if it is fresh from a kubrick reel.
that is the highest possible compliment you can pay to a "motion picture".
except you go all david lynch on them
hey, you made it into my sig. clearly that must be a good point about elite, right?!
LOL .. like anyone who feels out of pocket is going to care what their rep on the forum is.
When I saw Frontier float their IPO I figured the investors would get a say in the development path sooner or later :/
A great articke, and I am pleased Eurogamer got somebody that "gets" Elite to write it. It would have been too easy to give it to somebody with a preference for casual games rather than sims.
Frontier has adopted a guideline from the beginning of the project, and has not deviated from his way. The article by Eurogamer, retranscribed well
Find me 10 things that do say that?
Viajero
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And not the least because of Kubrick´s "one point" perspectives!
For info... I did this before the Orbis station video release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4guF2D0ySgA
(note: video was edited on July 11th but was created earlier during Beta Premium)
There is no such a thing as too few "one point" perspectives man!
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Robert Maynard
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Yup - it's a refreshing approach to game design and execution indeed!
Squicker
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Yes, I think this is an important point. I am quite pro good looking graphics in games and have a powerful PC for this reason. My son asked me to play Minecraft with him and I was appalled at the block graphics! But as I started to play with him, and realised what he had worked out and how inventive he was being (he's only 6) I really saw the game through different eyes.
I noticed there was something very beautiful, serene and otherworldly about Minecraft and its inhabitants. I now realise that having 'proper' graphics would completely ruin the game.
This experience really made me re-evaluate the indie game scene, which I had previously dismissed, and found there is a lot that scene has to offer.
Squicker
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You are entitled to one by law now. Since 13th June digital content is treated the same way as tangibles throughout Europe. i.e. you have 14 days to reject a digital product simply because you do not like it, under the Distance Selling areas of the law.
As Frontier's store is in breach of the law regarding notification of your rights you actually have over a year to obtain a refund if you do not like ED.
No more can consumers be fobbed off by the likes of Egosoft with failed games that need patch after patch. They have to work properly from day one. A software vendor only has leave to patch a game if the consumer *requests it*.
Edited to add link: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=79dc3523-3780-4742-beae-a7c7dda97c55
So if ED is not for you and you bought beta after June 13th, the you can get a refund well into June 2015 because the FD website does not tell your rights in this area.
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You're serious?
Time to take a trip down to the food store...there's a whole load of food in my kitchen that isn't to my tastes - and it didn't say "not for everyone" on the label. Think I'm entitled to a refund?
Squicker
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You are wrong, he is entitled to a refund for that very reason. And because the FD store has not been updated with the new law he is entitled to a refund well into June 2015:
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=79dc3523-3780-4742-beae-a7c7dda97c55
"The Regulations
The Regulations make minor reforms to consumer contracts for digital content, which affect the consumer’s right to cancel and the pre-contractual information which must be provided by suppliers. These are as follows:
Cancellation: Consumers will have a right to cancel a purchase without providing reasons and without liability. There will be a right to cancellation within 14 days from the day after the contract was entered into. If the consumer was not made aware of this right at the time of contracting, but was made aware within the following 12 months, the 14 day period will run from the date of notification. If no notification is provided the customer shall have 12 months from the date that the cancellation right would normally expire (i.e. 14 days plus an additional 12 months) in which to cancel. "
EDIT: My wife has just told me (corporate contract lawyer specialising in digital law), if FD never make him aware of his rights, his ability to get a refund runs infinitely.
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Robert Maynard
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From the same article:
So, all Frontier need to do is to have a notification in the download page informing users (from the 13th of June) that their right to refund is waived in the event that they download the product within the 14 day period.
Squicker
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Yes, they need to update their website. This is what my wife has been telling everyone over the last six months in preparation for this law coming in. I think it was read back in January.
But as they have not done it, they are heavily exposed in this area. In the case of people who have already bought, FD will need to actually contact them personally to make them aware of their rights because it has to form part of the contract. At the point FD contact that person, the clock starts ticking.
EDIT: Just been informed it's not enough for the terms to be on the website they must form part of the contract workflow. Also apparently they must be in commonly parsed web-languages in order to be proven to be flawlessly binding. For example if a Java pop-up displayed the terms as part of the purchase, that would fail because many people might claim they have no Java VM installed.
It's about time this happened to be honest, vendors have been using the digital loophole to sell half-finished games for years. It's really good they cannot get out of it by patching unless the consumer agrees. How many games have we bought that obviously were not finished and just rushed out with the hope the dev could patch it over six months?
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He is entitled to a refund - because UK Law says so...that's even assuming he in European in the first place.
But he isn't entitled to a refund simply because 'not for everyone' isn't printed on the website.