Min maxers - for them everything less is suboptimal. That's how they view world.
New engineers - LOVE IT
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Min maxers - for them everything less is suboptimal. That's how they view world.
To quote Vanilla Ice: "Anything less than the best is a felony"
Definitely!
The 100 per mat and data is HUGE. I have been saying it all day. The amount of this stuff you can now Hoover up in your travels is going to quickly eliminate any sense of grind in finding a good chunk of these mats and data items.
Most of the times I have had to go out hunting for something was after I was forced to toss 20-30 of that exact item out into space because I needed the room for something else I was working on!
The fact that this time wasting process will be history is a major change to how the game will be played! Again, totally lost on the whiners.
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Eyyup.
They can never understand how someone can just engineer a module a little bit and then stop because they don't need more.
Yeah, had one or two people like that in some of my D&D games, back in the day!
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You're always better off going for grade 5. Everything before it is obsolete. That's a problem. Completely misses the point of a tiered system when you can do it all in one go.
Put it this way: in WoW, tiers are released periodically. It at least gives the illusion of progression. If the top tier raid stuff was available from the beginning, nobody would bother going for the lower end gear. You're deliberately settling for less when better is just as obtainable. It's counterintuitive. You can go straight to the top.
But you won't be able to do it in one go anymore. That's the whole point of progression.
In fact this progression fixes whole root problem of Engineers - that it was basically designed as merely G5 min maxer's shop. FD dropped huge ball there. It was all about top tier edge, not edge in general. For me it was never random that pushed away from Engineers, but fact that I have to endure it till G5 to get....exactly what? One shooting some poor guy in Cobra?
Progression fixes Engineers, it makes it whole.
Yes, drug addicts will complain. They always do.
The level of ridiculousness in the whining is a good measure of the update's quality, imho. Ridiculous whining means there really isn't anything substantial to whine about.
What surprised me is that the usual suspects didn't even wait to try the beta to start pulling rubbish out of the end of their spines.
Like this person who complains that lower tiers of engineering are less powerful than higher ones... Nuff said.
Can't argue with your assessments!
I was going to post a response to that last guy and then I decided not to bother. I figured if they were that ignorant as to the value of many sub G5 upgrades, it would likely fly over their head like the mat and data capacity increase has to the same group.
Well the both are so don't worry about thinking about it.
The RNG was the least grindy part of the whole thing, it was gathering the mats that was the grinding parts. Now to get the best performing modules I have to regrind every module on every ship I have. Instead of spending a handful of materials and jump my new ship straight to really good rolls I have to go out of my way and farm way more materials. Not cool.
I can. I choose not to.
As I said, min maxer's mentality might be very vocal online, but it is not how majority of people play games.
So basically you are saying that in WoW you must grind through the lower tiers to a top tier, because the top tier isn't obtainable from the beginning. So... how's that different?
Perhaps I misunderstood, but I think it disadvantages those who have not engineered something. Since each item has to go through g1-gn (n<5) before you finish your progression rolls, it must require more materials.
Only those wanting god rolls and expending massive effort seem to benefit or not lose out. They always collected enough materials for many, many rolls.
For the average user, a minimum of 1 roll was often sufficient for each item, once grade n had been latched. Say one roll for each of 5 shield boosters on a ship. Now many more.
The only question is how much of a grind gathering materials will be in the new system. And how much praying to RNGesus you still need to do.
You can go straight to the top right from the start if you have the materials. Only now, it's even more of a grind. Again, it doesn't address many of the issues people have been saying..
Gotta put you on ignore though. You dismiss any and all criticism and defend them to no end. You should be the white house press secretary.
The lower tiers prepare you for the higher. There's no preparation here. Just more of the exact same thing.
It doesn't trigger his min max.