T-9 New Trade King?

akaliel

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Vasious said:
It isn't a Type 9 internal volume discussion without this

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=117145&d=1490561916
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A guy on here a while ago tried to Elitesplain to me that all that extra space in this image was for fancy things like life support. Because Elite ships don't just pump out compressed air. They create a complete ecology, much like air on Earth. Something that can't be done with current science.

I blocked him. Hit my rubbish limit for the day.
 

Vasious

Vasious
akaliel said:
A guy on here a while ago tried to Elitesplain to me that all that extra space in this image was for fancy things like life support. Because Elite ships don't just pump out compressed air. They create a complete ecology, much like air on Earth. Something that can't be done with current science.

I blocked him. Hit my rubbish limit for the day.
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I always assumed, rightly or wrong, because they actually have a crew, so needed the facilities for them, as they are from an era when in system travel took weeks and months, and inter system travel just a week from the jump.
Yes the old games are not set in stone canon but take the Anaconda, it has a crew of 40 to 72 (!) in Elite, a crew a mere 8 in FE2 and in the E|D RPG a crew of 8 with 12 additional spare berths before any passenger cabins are even added.

In the official novels you have Anacondas with many crew, and in the same novel an Anaconda set up to be flown by one.

YMMV as to how you want to imagine it.
 
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777Driver

777Driver
Vasious said:
I always assumed, rightly or wrong, because they actually have a crew, so needed the facilities for them, as they are from an era when in system travel took weeks and months, and inter system travel just a week from the jump.
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The early concept art shows these freighters have dedicated cargo areas. I'd imagine various rooms will be added once we can properly explore. Fairly certain the devs said they have mapped out the interiors.

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SpaceScania

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Even though I do have the Cutter I like the Type-9’s asthetics and feel way more as a bulk trader. I’ll be doing a serious evaluation of the new Type-9 once the beta is over. I doubt I would have bothered to get the Cutter if this enhanced Type-9 had been available.

Not that the Cutter isn’t better in some ways, but I prefer the style of the Type-9 for sure.
 

krylite

krylite
Old Duck said:
Proof that we'll never walk around inside our ships, because one does not arbitrarily add an insane amount of volume to the inside of a ship without changing the outside unless, A) It's the TARDIS, or B) ship stats are exactly that, just stats on a spreadsheet. That's fine, at least I know not to hold my breath for those coveted "space legs".
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Hi Duck, I would guess the T-9 was 'gimped' from the beginning because the cutter hadn't come out yet as well as a future panther clipper and other big freighters. So FD wasn't sure what the average max cargo would be for the T-9 yet. But if you look in the T-9 (& T-10) cockpit, it certainly has corridors, handrails on a second higher deck, and doors for spacelegs. The T-10 has human sized external doors both at the back and low middle. Have hope, imo spacelegs will come, Braben said so himself!

(proud crew of a T-9 concept art)
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(this was over a year ago, and the cobra engine could already do this, & rotating frames of reference, then look at how it zooms out with everything still working to an atmospheric landscape, then shows walking crowds by shops: )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51wu5aitKJU&feature=youtu.be&t=6m25s
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
777Driver said:
The early concept art shows these freighters have dedicated cargo areas. I'd imagine various rooms will be added once we can properly explore. Fairly certain the devs said they have mapped out the interiors.
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I do believe the earliest ships created were likely modeled inside, as the Anaconda can be seen in one of the dev diaries with it's internals exposed. The Anaconda also is the only ship to show impressive battle damage (not just bullet holes and scorch marks) IIRC. I'm a bit more skeptical when it comes to the newer ships. I'm still trying to figure out how a working engine and huge landing gear can simultaneously fit in those rear nacelles on the Chieftain, but perhaps serving on a real "ship" has made it harder for me to suspend my disbelief in these regards.

All that said, it's easier to accept a huge ship that's under-utilized (lots of empty space) than a ship that's bigger on the inside than the out, despite my avatar ;)
 
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Stealthie

Stealthie
Hmmm.....

A new C8 slot for the T9 means a new C7 collector limpet for my T9 miner. :D

Shame they couldn't have made more of the slots oddly-sized but, I'll take it.

*EDIT*

More generally, I think I like the idea of making the T9 the biggest trade-ship again.
It'll mean I can put a couple of them to work as proper cargo ships, dedicated to cargo missions and trading, and have an excuse to beef up my Cuter as a full-on "hazops" cargo ship for CGs.
 
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kofeyh

kofeyh
Vurosia said:
How many of y’all are switching back to the old faithful?
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Nowhere near as many as whined endlessly for a cargo boost; it wasn't even to make the ship more useful; just had to beat cutter because a good year on, people are still triggered. People say all sorts of things on the forums; that almost never actually translates in game.

We'll see a few more. But only a few more.
 

Genus

Genus
kofeyh said:
Nowhere near as many as whined endlessly for a cargo boost; it wasn't even to make the ship more useful; just had to beat cutter because a good year on, people are still triggered. People say all sorts of things on the forums; that almost never actually translates in game.

We'll see a few more. But only a few more.
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I just hope this is a move which is intended to justify the huge progression to a 1000 unit Boa and a 1500 unit Panther.

Instead of being able to shoot down the implementation of the larger trading ships by being able to say "There is already a large trading ship available".
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
Genus said:
I just hope this is a move which is intended to justify the huge progression to a 1000 unit Boa and a 1500 unit Panther.

Instead of being able to shoot down the implementation of the larger trading ships by being able to say "There is already a large trading ship available".
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Panther Clipper has always been documented at around 1000t (max) capacity; where did you get 1500 from? Also Frontier capitulated on type-9, because people kept demanding. It's fine that they've increased capacity, but type-9 was never intended to be the top trade ship.

PC, and maybe Boa are. I am sure, very sure, we're going to see huge complaint if either happens to be a multi-role, because how dare it outperform a pure trade ship! [triggering intensifies]
 

Marklar_

Marklar_
As a Cutter owner, I like this change, I bought a T-9 and did a one-roll G5 treatment in anticipation. This will let me have a combat Cutter without switching modules or buying a second hull for trading.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
kofeyh said:
Panther Clipper has always been documented at around 1000t (max) capacity; where did you get 1500 from? Also Frontier capitulated on type-9, because people kept demanding. It's fine that they've increased capacity, but type-9 was never intended to be the top trade ship.
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Personally, I'm not especially fussed what ship is the best at what.

I'm more interested in retaining a situation where every ship requires that a player has to make choices and compromises.
That being the case, I'm more disappointed about the armour buff the T9 got a while back.
Especially now, with the T9 getting more cargo, it would have been nice if players were forced to choose between an expensive, tough Cutter or a cheaper, spindly, T9.

If it was up to me, I'd probably knock 100t off the weight of the T9 and then cut it's integrity in half. [where is it]
 

Shadowed

Shadowed
Vurosia said:
So I heard the big ole boat T-9 got a fairly significant buff, and I mean like, insane game altering buff.

It can now haul up to 756 Tons with a shield. And I was able to get the max laden jump range to 20 LYS, 31 unladen.

How many people are going to even invest the time to get a Cutter now? Really the only appeal was the immense cargo space, which is now obtainable for a fraction of the price and MOST IMPORTANTLY NO RANK LOCK.

How many of y’all are switching back to the old faithful?
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I'll use the Type 9 for trading again, but I got the Cutter for combat, never for trading.
 

Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
Old Duck said:
I'm still trying to figure out how a working engine and huge landing gear can simultaneously fit in those rear nacelles on the Chieftain, but perhaps serving on a real "ship" has made it harder for me to suspend my disbelief in these regards.
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Here you go:

[video=youtube;tuiDSaPjS04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuiDSaPjS04[/video]

Notice how they fold up along the underside of a very obviously closed surface near the bottom, and not retracting up deep into the nacelle.
 
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