LOL. Picking your encounters by menu logging. How on earth is quitting to the main menu an 'escape mechanic?' Here... let me find something right quick...
This is from Wolfenstein 3D. It was true then, it's true now.
Menu Logging as a legitimate defense for ganking or nonconsensual engagement in Open
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LOL. Picking your encounters by menu logging. How on earth is quitting to the main menu an 'escape mechanic?' Here... let me find something right quick...
This is from Wolfenstein 3D. It was true then, it's true now.
They also said that it was not intended and frowned apon. Outside of game breaking bugs there should be no reason for anyone to log out when in combat ever, especially when high wakes are faster.
Using the ship in danger timer is legal, the game doesn't punish it. Ganking is also a thing the game allows (the word legal doesn't really apply but it's recognised gameplay).
However.
Really the 15 sec timer is there to encourage you to stay and face the danger, to get your ship to a safe place (and learn from the experience). But sometimes RL takes priority and there needs to be a way to legitimately exit the game that doesn't take too long. There is a suggestion that would allow you to immediately go AFK if you really need to (or don't want to watch whatever's happening):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359238-Combat-Logging-Punishment-Proposal?p=5643187&viewfull=1#post5643187
It also allows the timer to be extended.
Menu logging is legit but inconsiderate to other players left behind, particularly if they invested time to lay a trap to catch you (for example).
Ganking can be inconsiderate too, it depends on the circumstances but two wrongs don't make a right. If you want to menu log go ahead, but don't think you're any better than the 'nasty players' you are doing it to avoid.
There is a proposal to handle this too:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359238-Combat-Logging-Punishment-Proposal?p=5662530&viewfull=1#post5662530
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Logging out via menu is legal at any time. And seal clubbing is not "PVP".
They have also referred to it as "ungracefully disconnect"
Opening the pause menu cancels the charge
And the law can be used to justify all kinds of actions that are magnanimous, diabolical, or otherwise. What's your point?
i have done plenty of ganks that were both sealclubbing and legitimate role-play PvP.
as one example killing a fed type 10 in rhea with 2 PA volleys while pledged to imperial power in the hope that i just set back a fortifier is a legitimate PvP tactic.
PvP stands for player verses player. just because the fight is unbalanced does not make it non PvP.
i am not a fan of murder-hobos at all, but i am of the belief that having a powerplay pledge is a serious thing that should not be taken lightly i certainly don't take the massive fed KOS on me lightly. also a menu log is often a great thing for the attacker. when you are rocking frags or PA's 15 seconds of impossible to miss time on target is usually more than enough to do the job. ive only ever had a single menu log on me work, and that was an anaconda, to top it off since i started using frags or a multi-cannon vette i haven't had a single log menu or otherwise, they simply die too danm fast. and because of that everyone is worse off.
the victim gets deleted with no real chance of escape, highwake or otherwise, and i don't get the satisfaction of having to chase a ducking and weaving ship with FSD reboot missiles and lasers trying to complete the kill before they jump away and leave me looking like a fool.
as a final note instead of practicing how to pull out the internet cable in record time maybe have a look at the proper way to survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9AWV_BWo0
fixed weapons or not, frags or not (assuming you are past them before the hard-points deploy) there is a pretty minimal chance of killing anyone doing this
15 seconds; either way. And yes; they both essentially achieve the same thing, one is simply in game.
That's absolutely true. It's also true that BGS and RP provide convenient excuses for griefing. Goes both ways.
To the OP: just play in solo or Mobius if you don't want to deal with PvP. If you want to play in open, accept the risk and learn to deal with it.
Nobody has waited for the OP's encouragement or for griefing to exist to menu log. It has been a problem since the start of the game, even back when griefing was not a topic of discussion and the sociopath label was only thrown at actual pirates because we were "stealing the real life time people invested into their game".
So go ahead, who cares at this point.
So go ahead, who cares at this point.
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Yeah, but griefing nowadays just means 'Someone did something I don't like.' The word is useless.
I wouldn't encourage anyone to 'game the game', but it's not my business to tell people how they should play, that's FD's job, and they've made it pretty clear what their position is on menu-logging and board flipping, they don't approve, but it's tolerated (reasons why are irrelevant here)
What a lot of people seem to miss however is that menu-logging and board flipping are two sides of the same coin. Both are using the main menu to gain an advantage in a way that wasn't intended by the devs. Putting aside all the reasons people use to justify to themselves (and to others) why they do, why it's good or bad or whatever, you can't say 'board flipping is good' and then turn around and say 'menu-logging is bad' (or vice-versa) without the risk of looking like a hypocrite.
My personal opinion, if someone logs you win by default, what's the problem ?
Deprived of your sense of power ? Here, have a tissue.
It's just a game, right ?
I really don't get this insistance that you have to see the ship blow up.
You've completed your objective and disrupted someone from going about their business haven't you ?
Is being denied a few pretty pixels really worth creating a KoS list ?
Even to the extent of assuming ALL players will CL so get in hard and fast before they have a chance, we don't wanna miss those beautiful pixels !
I agree, you could not make this stuff up.
I makes me think RP really has nothing to do with it at all.
Having said all that (phew) I am of the mind that 'git gud' is preferable to logging. If you can learn to evade NPC's you can learn to evade gankers. If you can learn to fight top NPC's you can learn to fight human combateers. Or not, the choice is up to you.
To the OP i'd say do whatever works for you. 'legally' menu logging is ok, although many people do object to it strongly, and as I say, it's not an intended mechanic. Eventually I think the main menu exploits will be patched anyway.
What a lot of people seem to miss however is that menu-logging and board flipping are two sides of the same coin. Both are using the main menu to gain an advantage in a way that wasn't intended by the devs. Putting aside all the reasons people use to justify to themselves (and to others) why they do, why it's good or bad or whatever, you can't say 'board flipping is good' and then turn around and say 'menu-logging is bad' (or vice-versa) without the risk of looking like a hypocrite.
My personal opinion, if someone logs you win by default, what's the problem ?
Deprived of your sense of power ? Here, have a tissue.
It's just a game, right ?
I really don't get this insistance that you have to see the ship blow up.
You've completed your objective and disrupted someone from going about their business haven't you ?
Is being denied a few pretty pixels really worth creating a KoS list ?
Even to the extent of assuming ALL players will CL so get in hard and fast before they have a chance, we don't wanna miss those beautiful pixels !
I agree, you could not make this stuff up.
I makes me think RP really has nothing to do with it at all.
Having said all that (phew) I am of the mind that 'git gud' is preferable to logging. If you can learn to evade NPC's you can learn to evade gankers. If you can learn to fight top NPC's you can learn to fight human combateers. Or not, the choice is up to you.
To the OP i'd say do whatever works for you. 'legally' menu logging is ok, although many people do object to it strongly, and as I say, it's not an intended mechanic. Eventually I think the main menu exploits will be patched anyway.
if that happens you send a friend request and self destruct in front of them to show it was a disconnect and not you being a coward.
No you don't you just log back in, apologise/explain & carry on.
Here, have a read of this:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359238-Combat-Logging-Punishment-Proposal?p=5662061&viewfull=1#post5662061
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