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Millions of woman, have made millions because they have been 'hot chicks' as you put it. From Bridget Bardot to Ginger spice. They have little more to offer and have made the best of what they have. Fair play to them.

Yes. And if only women were allowed to be play roles in movies or be in music bands I'd have a problem with that. But because both men and women get to do it there is no issue. The reason I am not at the emmy's is because I am an ugly fella, not because I have male genitalia. I can live with that. :)
 
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I believe Germaine Greer had words to say about the current "political correctness" situation and distanced the feminism movement from it (in her words).

Is it Hammertime now?
So that wonderful old lady has a thing for Lewis Hamilton, she would eat him before breakfast. LOL
 
Political correctness run amok. Along with the joy that is feminism.

It's worse than that, they are playing Schroedingers Cat with people. (I'll assume you know what I'm referring to).

The thinking goes, Do not objectify others as regards Gender, this means I must think of myself and others as Boxes, blank boxes, neither male nor female, and interact using this mindset...but, if you wish to relate in any personal way with other boxes, you would have to take them out of that box, thus collapsing the waveform/mindset and proving that said box contained either a male or a female (there's only two genders, don't look for the third, there isn't one) . Now having discovered the nature of the box contents it is impossible to ever return them to the box and ignore the contents. You can attempt to ignore the knowledge of the box contents, but that is just defying reality, or at least lying to yourself for prolonged periods.
 
I would have thought the least sexist option would be to let the Women choose to be there or not. TELLING them they cannot do this or that is worse that the sexism it is supposed to be stopping, because removing the choice implies that the women are intellectually challenged and incapable of making any decision for themselves.

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I bet the women who pushed this tyrannical nonsense have never been objectified in their life or have hit the wall and any attention they had was decades ago. It would seem a whole career path for women is forever vanishing. Shame since it is art.
 
Political correctness run amok. Along with the joy that is feminism.

While everyone is as entitled to an opinion as any other, there is a certain sense of irony in using a picture of Ayn Rand when telling people it is wrong that private citizens use their legally purchased private property based on their private opinion on how they want a commercial brand to be portrayed. Pretty sure Ayn Rand would have said:"None of your business. Dont like it? Start your own competition and have as many ring girls as you want."

I bet the women who pushed this tyrannical nonsense have never been objectified in their life or have hit the wall and any attention they had was decades ago.

Yeah. "Only ugly and/or old women dislike sexism!". :rolleyes:
 
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I'm a total motorsport fan but I'm not going to even bother with the "political correctness" angle on this.

As a lifetime fan of F1 (Forza Ferrari!) I couldn't give a toss if grid girls disappear; I'm into the motorsport.

Yeah, i see no issue with the change, focus on the sport and improving it for fans (which i am not to be honest, unless it is electric car racing). 'Men' just need to realise that this is not, and should never have become, a world where the 'Harvey Weinstein's' can function and not be held to account. I mean that is what all this 'femi' outrage is ultimately about isn't it, men feeling threatened by women having the same 'rights' as themselves.

So yeah, pfft, good riddance to tropes that help the rule of misogyny embed itself in our societies. If i want to see sexy women in little/no clothing, there is always the internet, or cornershop magazine rack.
 
I remember the booth babes computer game events

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If the place is free now, I want to put a pair of shorts and go on the grid.

And drink champagne in the paddocks after the race

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And get paid for selling a product.

TBH - I'm not bothered either. For example Susuka is generally a wet track - same with canada - who am I going to be more interested in - a grid girl with an umbrella or the driver who prefers the wet and stands a greater chance of getting pole during the qualifying?

I just hope that there's not going to be the stupid display - run out of the drivers like last year.

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While everyone is as entitled to an opinion as any other, there is a certain sense of irony in using a picture of Ayn Rand when telling people it is wrong that private citizens use their legally purchased private property based on their private opinion on how they want a commercial brand to be portrayed. Pretty sure Ayn Rand would have said:"None of your business. Dont like it? Start your own competition and have as many ring girls as you want."

Indeed. And I never did say that it was "wrong that private citizens should be able use their property how they saw fit" but instead named the ugly reason behind the stupid business decision and strongly implied that I personally would neither watch F1 again nor buy any more of their merchandise. I think if you check your premises you will find that I am, in fact, behaving in accordance with Miss Rand's teachings:)

Edit: Btw, what's your problem with pretty girls?
 
Indeed. And I never did say that it was "wrong that private citizens should be able use their property how they saw fit" but instead named the ugly reason behind the stupid business decision and strongly implied that I personally would neither watch F1 again nor buy any more of their merchandise. I think if you check your premises you will find that I am, in fact, behaving in accordance with Miss Rand's teachings:)

Really? They were that important for your enjoyment of the race? :S

Edit: Btw, what's your problem with pretty girls?

I've always wanted to be a pretty girl myself, and ended up as an ugly bloke. I went into therapy for it, but I guess I never fully got over it. :(
 
Really? They were that important for your enjoyment of the race? :S



I've always wanted to be a pretty girl myself, and ended up as an ugly bloke. I went into therapy for it, but I guess I never fully got over it. :(

Not necessarily, but I did enjoy them. I also happen to feel kind of sorry for them for their loss of employment. How many of the people participating in this thread would be okay with their own job dissapearing overnight? Especially if they were being sacrificed at the altar of political correctness. Losing your livelihood is kind of a big deal, and certainly no joke.

Edit: not that I didn't think your comment was funny about being an ugly man:)
 
Not necessarily, but I did enjoy them. I also happen to feel kind of sorry for them for their loss of employment. How many of the people participating in this thread would be okay with their own job dissapearing overnight? Especially if they were being sacrificed at the altar of political correctness. Losing your livelihood is kind of a big deal, and certainly no joke.

I dont get the 'political correctness' complaint. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with a corporate entity estimating that more people approve of them being gone than others disapprove. They dont care what is 'politically correct', they care about what they think is most profitable. If they thought they'd get more viewers by having a race start by a bunch of midgets slapping each other with a fish than that is what they'd do. And right now they estimate they get the best response by having neither ring girls or midgets. Sure, you may disagree with people who dont want them around, and those people probably disagree with you wanting them around, but at the end its about free market behavior. Not politics. If anything you should argue they are being 'economically correct'. Which is pretty much their job, in the end.

I agree it sucks for the people who lost their job, and I definitely sympathize with them. But if you're honestly going to boycott companies that fire even 'only' a couple of people for reasons you dont agree with, you'll be boycotting a lot. Dont get me wrong, its noble to boycott something you like in support of a few strangers you'll never meet, but still. Good luck finding a phone that wasn't produced by a company that royally screwed over way more people in far more disturbing ways that this. And having read a bunch of comments, here and elsewhere that were, to put it mildly, not very noble, I must confess that this outrage seems driven in no small part by people with far less admirable motives.

Beyond that I could type a massive wall about free markets, employee treatment and such, but that would definitely get this topic locked. And probably set me up for a massive and eternal slap fight with Ayn Rand in hell. :p
 
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I dont get the 'political correctness' complaint. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with a corporate entity estimating that more people approve of them being gone than others disapprove. They dont care what is 'politically correct', they care about what they think is most profitable. If they thought they'd get more viewers by having a race start by a bunch of midgets slapping each other with a fish than that is what they'd do. And right now they estimate they get the best response by having neither ring girls or midgets. Sure, you may disagree with people who dont want them around, and those people probably disagree with you wanting them around, but at the end its about free market behavior. Not politics. If anything you should argue they are being 'economically correct'. Which is pretty much their job, in the end.

I agree it sucks for the people who lost their job, and I definitely sympathize with them. But if you're honestly going to boycott companies that fire even 'only' a couple of people for reasons you dont agree with, you'll be boycotting a lot. Dont get me wrong, its noble to boycott something you like in support of a few strangers you'll never meet, but still. Good luck finding a phone that wasn't produced by a company that royally screwed over way more people in far more disturbing ways that this. And having read a bunch of comments, here and elsewhere that were, to put it mildly, not very noble, I must confess that this outrage seems driven in no small part by people with far less admirable motives.

Beyond that I could type a massive wall about free markets, employee treatment and such, but that would definitely get this topic locked. And probably set me up for a massive and eternal slap fight with Ayn Rand in hell. :p

The corporate entity in question, similar to the NFL re: kneeling for the National Anthem, has "caved" in order to pander to political correctness, in which case the difference is the same.

Also, re: the last part of your post about being able to go on at length about free markets, etc, my advice would be to just focus on finding that (dream) job first. Seriously, I'd love to get into it with you, because something tells me the conversation would be interesting.
 
I dont get the 'political correctness' complaint. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with a corporate entity estimating that more people approve of them being gone than others disapprove. They dont care what is 'politically correct', they care about what they think is most profitable. If they thought they'd get more viewers by having a race start by a bunch of midgets slapping each other with a fish than that is what they'd do. And right now they estimate they get the best response by having neither ring girls or midgets. Sure, you may disagree with people who dont want them around, and those people probably disagree with you wanting them around, but at the end its about free market behavior. Not politics. If anything you should argue they are being 'economically correct'. Which is pretty much their job, in the end.

I agree it sucks for the people who lost their job, and I definitely sympathize with them. But if you're honestly going to boycott companies that fire even 'only' a couple of people for reasons you dont agree with, you'll be boycotting a lot. Dont get me wrong, its noble to boycott something you like in support of a few strangers you'll never meet, but still. Good luck finding a phone that wasn't produced by a company that royally screwed over way more people in far more disturbing ways that this. And having read a bunch of comments, here and elsewhere that were, to put it mildly, not very noble, I must confess that this outrage seems driven in no small part by people with far less admirable motives.

Beyond that I could type a massive wall about free markets, employee treatment and such, but that would definitely get this topic locked. And probably set me up for a massive and eternal slap fight with Ayn Rand in hell. :p
I disagree; I believe the Liberty Media is just jumping on another 'what is popular' band-wagon. They are tiring to squeeze every once of attention towards their investment. The ladies obviously have an interest in F1, as most of the drivers are male gods and so they will get the attention from females; even though is could be considered a sport, that males would be more interested in. Liberty Media is just doing the sheep thing, following the Darts etc. example.

It is sad, in my opinion.
 
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