FDEv, Open now is Bambi vs. Godzilla, please consider having an Open server that is PvE only

[Roybe]

I think that having more flags and adding public groups will alleviate the problem with PVE vs PVP...rather than creating some kind of new PVE only mode.

Of course the PVP people have realized that the new C+P system has a PVP flag in it...basically, if you fly with report crimes on, then you are tricking the PVP people into a criminal act....so let's give this a chance to play out...

 

[Arkadi]

[...] Of course the PVP people have realized that the new C+P system has a PVP flag in it... [...]

Huh, what have I missed?

edit: do you mean that becouse bounties are meant to be sticking? But it's so easy to buy them off for a few credits and a couple of hours wait.

If you meant that, it's not really an effective PvP flag imo, also becouse the wanted tag only displays in the system where the crime was comitted - with exception of the bigger interstellar bounties, but I guess they will be rare.

 

[Six6VI]

Anyone who thinks the answer to not attacking new players without provocation is "play in SOLO" should themselves remain in SOLO.

Elite is a game with rules and one of those rules is if you murder someone in a secure system, there will and should be dire consequences. Griefing outside of anarchy systems should be something that takes a punishing toll.

However, that play-style is valid in lawless systems and rightly so. Anarchy systems are the wild west, but not the WHOLE of Open. If you think that, then you've misunderstood Elite.

Pretty sure they removed Lawless during Beta. May not come back

Frontier has addressed this with the 3.0 crime & punishment changes. Wanton killing will now come with penalties. However, something else they could do and I hope they will consider is not spawning all new players at LHS 3447 in the Eravate station.

Pretty sure Horizons players spawn at Baker's Prospect, on Asellus (Primus) 2 and personally I'd prefer them to complete a run-at-least-once tutorial mission path in a completely isolated SOLO instance, at least to get the hang of / reconfigure controls. I have 7K+ hours with KB+Mouse. The default bindings for this new HOTAS are rubbish.

Instead spawn new players from a random location based on RND seed ID from their account ID, so they always start from the same system. I understand that since many of us started playing, scripted missions have been added, but I'm sure this could be applied to other star systems - even if from a shortlist. That way new players can enter OPEN without a gang of murderers laying in wait.

I don't think a PvE-only mode needs to be applied until we've seen the new user and group management Frontier are rolling out in Q4.

One thing I would ask for, is that with Private Groups, you should be able to see WHICH group your friends are in and which group you are in, easily, in game. Just having "private group" is not good enough.

+1 this. There is no /friends switch to broadcast "Which PG are you in?" to everyone.
And besides, you may not want them to notice you're stalking them...


In an ideal cutthroat world the carebears and griefers should be in fierce competition for new recruits to join the gank wars, and both would have the upmost respect for letting newbs git gud before scaring, or boring them out of the game.

Why don't more Elite pilots on both sides of the gank divide hang out in the start system guarding the harmless cargo seals and the aspiring club wielders alike? New players will demonstrate their play style if you give them a little time.

Couple of pm's, here is not the place, follow me etc... With a genuine interest in helping them enjoy the game, long term is better, for everyone. Carebears have safety in numbers and griefers can have lots of fun blowing each other, up.

And guess what else? FDev might get and retain more players, that actually play, IN OPEN, and paint their kitted out ships! They could work on uber cool new stuff instead of wasting time trying to patrol a gigantic sand pit looking for bullies.

If people enjoy playing this game, there are activities that might help its longevity.

 

[DARGAN]

on the subject it is normal to hope to play with other players in a peaceful way mainly.

I'm not particularly addicted to the PVE, I've always preferred the PVP but in this game I do not play yet in Open (gameplay emerge still too improbable).

what bothers me the most to play Open is the problem of language, for the example of world of warcraft there are also many French, English, Italian, German, official servers, we will probably never see this on Elite Dangerous.

rather than trying to suggest changing what has been planned for a long time, for example that there will be no PVE (apart from the solo game).. I think we should rather work with what is planned without change, although everything changes

so tools to facilitate communication.. to give pleasure to the PVP .. and limiting the losses and the frustrations of the imbalance.. and tools like with C & P which allows to limit the war PVP which certain area notably high security as it is the case, ect..

 

[Six6VI]

on the subject it is normal to hope to play with other players in a peaceful way mainly.

I'm not particularly addicted to the PVE, I've always preferred the PVP but in this game I do not play yet in Open (gameplay emerge still too improbable).

what bothers me the most to play Open is the problem of language, for the example of world of warcraft there are also many French, English, Italian, German, official servers, we will probably never see this on Elite Dangerous.

rather than trying to suggest changing what has been planned for a long time, for example that there will be no PVE (apart from the solo game).. I think we should rather work with what is planned without change, although everything changes

so tools to facilitate communication.. to give pleasure to the PVP .. and limiting the losses and the frustrations of the imbalance.. and tools like with C & P which allows to limit the war PVP which certain area notably high security as it is the case, ect..

It would appear the ED servers tend to place you with others in roughly the same geographic location in OPEN, it's PG's where you'll find players from all over the world. Perhaps the best way to quickly overcome a language barrier is to greet others in your own language and see how they respond. If you can read it, that's probably a good sign

Also, be prepared for the silent types, who will sneak up and kill you.

 

[DARGAN]

It would appear the ED servers tend to place you with others in roughly the same geographic location in OPEN, it's PG's where you'll find players from all over the world. Perhaps the best way to quickly overcome a language barrier is to greet others in your own language and see how they respond. If you can read it, that's probably a good sign

ok this may not be a big problem either ..

except for things more complicated than just saying hello, an example, a pirate once asking me in English to get him something out of my hold..

I did not have anything in my hold ... he did not scan me ... but I was unable to explain that to him in the game ..

so I just fled, this English-speaking player never knew why I fled.. Believing I had something to hide, yet he attacked me hoping that I would stop my flight ... very incapable because of my shield too strong for its firepower.

I know a few words I could have written "empty" but it's still very limited for a semblance of communication loL.

 

[Six6VI]

ok this may not be a big problem either ..

except for things more complicated than just saying hello, an example, a pirate once asking me in English to get him something out of my hold..

I did not have anything in my hold ... he did not scan me ... but I was unable to explain that to him in the game ..

so I just fled, this English-speaking player never knew why I fled.. Believing I had something to hide, yet he attacked me hoping that I would stop my flight ... very incapable because of my shield too strong for its firepower.

I know a few words I could have written "empty" but it's still very limited for a semblance of communication loL.

I heard there is a way to setup pre-typed macros and assign them to hotkeys but I've never used them so you might need to see if your favourite search engine can find you some instructions?

Either that or wait until someone who knows posts a link for you.

 

[Roybe]

Huh, what have I missed?

edit: do you mean that becouse bounties are meant to be sticking? But it's so easy to buy them off for a few credits and a couple of hours wait.

If you meant that, it's not really an effective PvP flag imo, also becouse the wanted tag only displays in the system where the crime was comitted - with exception of the bigger interstellar bounties, but I guess they will be rare.

The PVP crowd feels it is wrong that they cannot tell if a player is flying with report crimes on or off...mainly due to the hit to notoriety.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...New-C-amp-P)?p=6396579&viewfull=1#post6396579

 

[DARGAN]

The PVP crowd feels it is wrong that they cannot tell if a player is flying with report crimes on or off...mainly due to the hit to notoriety.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...New-C-amp-P)?p=6396579&viewfull=1#post6396579

yes, it's not so easy to get rid of bounty with credits.

and it really upsets what wants to play exclusively to PVP and disturb other players in Open in their own way of playing, or those who wish to do something other than spend their time armed to the teeth.

as for the impossibility of repairing and refueling it is indeed a problem.. we need more anarchic system with spatial ports, or perhaps a new special pirate module that can be used to hack stations to access certain services.

I also think the bounty system to create a separation between killer and peaceful and too direct.. in another well-known game (Freelancer) the transition between peaceful player and pirate was done with reputation.. which allows us to appreciate our passage as a criminal.

one murder per incident (involuntary) and I found myself in the moment with a bounty for 6 days.. suddenly I decided to become a pirate in an anarchic system the time that the bounty is erased.. or stop playing .. criminal by mandatory gameplay lol.

 

[Arkadi]

The PVP crowd feels it is wrong that they cannot tell if a player is flying with report crimes on or off...mainly due to the hit to notoriety.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...New-C-amp-P)?p=6396579&viewfull=1#post6396579

Ah, I see. But this is only a discussion. This wish of some players will not be implemented into the game as I have understood. It's about the same as player wishing for auto-pilot, pve-groups, open-only content, singel-player mode... wishing, we can. But will it ever happen? Guess not, as long as the game will not be opened to modding ;=)

Also there have been some suggestions like for a "piracy module" that could scramble the radio signal and so effectively make the time longer until police will show up. This would not need a crimes off/on reveal and would still be a prop for criminal gameplay.

However I think this is derailing the ... what was this thread about?

 

[CMDR DAVID187]

Do new players deserve to play Elite in a multiplayer environment from the start? Unlike World of Warcraft with its multitude of different kinds of servers, i.e. PvP only or PvE only, there is only one Open multiplayer server in Elite. New players in Elite wanting the multiplayer environment don't have a choice but to play with Godzilla. One has to keep in mind newly minted Commanders may not know about PvE player groups, which as you know are filling up. One cannot also assume that everyone has had experience with sandbox MMOs.

Until C&P is finally figured out and implemented, Bambi will get squished in the current Open. People are always telling Bambi's who actually post about their obliteration, to "git gud" or to high wake out. This is not only disheartening, but it can also be frustrating. A new player is learning a lot of new stuff at once and telling them to high wake, but don't forget to select a destination in your left hand panel and oh yeah, also don't forget to make sure there isn't a planet in your way, etc. is a lot to remember when one is already afraid of getting stuck in the mail slot.

In addition, I don't recall any of the training missions available teaching new players that they will get interdicted and how to avoid it. A training mission describing the difference between lo waking and high waking and when to use them would be nice, too.

Right now the easiest thing to remember defense against Godzilla is to combat log. Although I abhor logging in consensual PvP, a panicked Bambi in the heat of an unsolicited encounter might as well.

Thank you.

o7



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY

not everyone likes safe mode, not everyone one dies in open....

 

[Valorin]

Do new players deserve to play Elite in a multiplayer environment from the start? Unlike World of Warcraft with its multitude of different kinds of servers, i.e. PvP only or PvE only, there is only one Open multiplayer server in Elite. New players in Elite wanting the multiplayer environment don't have a choice but to play with Godzilla. One has to keep in mind newly minted Commanders may not know about PvE player groups, which as you know are filling up. One cannot also assume that everyone has had experience with sandbox MMOs.

Until C&P is finally figured out and implemented, Bambi will get squished in the current Open. People are always telling Bambi's who actually post about their obliteration, to "git gud" or to high wake out. This is not only disheartening, but it can also be frustrating. A new player is learning a lot of new stuff at once and telling them to high wake, but don't forget to select a destination in your left hand panel and oh yeah, also don't forget to make sure there isn't a planet in your way, etc. is a lot to remember when one is already afraid of getting stuck in the mail slot.

In addition, I don't recall any of the training missions available teaching new players that they will get interdicted and how to avoid it. A training mission describing the difference between lo waking and high waking and when to use them would be nice, too.

Right now the easiest thing to remember defense against Godzilla is to combat log. Although I abhor logging in consensual PvP, a panicked Bambi in the heat of an unsolicited encounter might as well.

Thank you.

o7



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY

I'd love a PvE open as well. I really dislike PvP, but I love the community in Open. And I don't even recognize gankers and so called griefers as other players.
There is Mobius, but that's a private group and thus more restricted.

 

[CMDR TickleStick]

Some of us don't need or want a "safe space." I love how the OP assumes that new pilots are as rubbish as he is. I got "griefed" first day. I laughed, befriended the ganker, and killed him 2 months later.
So hide in Mobius, or Git Gud. Some of us like the dangerous aspect of Elite DANGEROUS.

 

[Slange Lands]

Some of us don't need or want a "safe space." I love how the OP assumes that new pilots are as rubbish as he is. I got "griefed" first day. I laughed, befriended the ganker, and killed him 2 months later.
So hide in Mobius, or Git Gud. Some of us like the dangerous aspect of Elite DANGEROUS.

Perhaps I really should just let this go. But I might as well try.

First. I am a FEMALE Commander with 900 hours and am first and foremost a combat pilot with Elite Status. I fly an almost fully engineered FDL with efficient plasmas and beams and long range bursts.... and at 2-1-3 the thing never gets hotter than 60% and the lasers never fail. I am currently engineering a dive bombing Eagle to repeatedly interdict gankers to fly exclusively in Open. I also have watched Rinzler's and Alexander the Grape's videos and think they are divine pilots. I may be only an average combat pilot, but rubbish?

Second, I am a hopeless Carebear. I've read so many posts about new players getting seal clubbed; and I feel their frustration. NEWBIES might want to not play in solo because they want to socialize and meet others. Maybe even ask other Commanders for help. Is it so bad to have a place where a NEWBIE can feel safe, not be afraid of losing hard earned cargo and exploration data and be with actual humans? Mobius is getting really full and NEWBIES may not know how to apply. I think the more people we can attract to this game, the better it will be for all Commanders. We play games for fun, and to a lot of people dying is not fun.

Yes some NEWBIES may be already experienced pilots, but others may not be. Not everyone is the same. I was just thinking about new players as a whole.

o7

 

[Six6VI]

Attract them in, and not scare them right back out...

Pilot training and default bindings is really up to FDev.

What's there is is great, but who does tutorials unless forced to?

 

[Manticore]

Good news OP, as soon as you put this request up, it was fulfilled!

Just open your game and click "Private Group".

Yeah; must be new around here.

 

[Goose4291]

Would you look at that, another thinly disguised anti-open rant that's not been moved into the 'Modes' subsection to die like any thread of an opposite opinion.

 

[NoFans]

You'll get griefed in the PvE server as well just in different ways. Stop crying a river and just stick to your little Mobius group.

 

[Valorin]

Some of us don't need or want a "safe space." I love how the OP assumes that new pilots are as rubbish as he is. I got "griefed" first day. I laughed, befriended the ganker, and killed him 2 months later.
So hide in Mobius, or Git Gud. Some of us like the dangerous aspect of Elite DANGEROUS.

I think you kinda misunderstood. In real life I don't visit places where I am bound to meet idiots. Same goes for games. It's so funny how you, and others, say "hide" in another mode like it's a cowardish act. We're playing a game. We play to have fun. Meeting idiots isn't fun.

To be even more clear about this: Ganker folk, so called "griefers" are often just people who have a bad life and revel in the power they can have in the game, or they are teens with a bad social education. Perhaps they just want to impress their fellow pack mates and think they are cool, and that this is important to be part of the pack. Perhaps they are being bullied at school and now bully others in video games. Or something completely different. Who knows?

Thing is, that it's completely irrelevant. The idea of destroying weaker ships because it's fun to disrupt the game other players is just unsocial, and bullying carried over to a virtual platform. Personally I'd even feel for those people, but in a game? Even my son is too old for Kindergarten or schoolyard supremacy games, and so I just avoid those bullying kids.

So perhaps "Git Gud" with social behavior yourself (not meaning you personally since I don't know you), get a few real friends who don't just laugh with you when being mean to others in videogames (or even worse, in real life).

TL;DR: It's not cowardice, it's disgust.

PS: I am regularly in Open when not doing CG stuff, because the community is still too good to let a few morons ruin that for me.

 

[DARGAN]

Shiplights are a thing: morse-code him. Another way would be to fly and paint him a picture with your engine trails. Duh?

Morse-code is also a foreign language to learn .. I do not intend to learn a foreign language to play a game properly.

ok this is not the subject of this thread .. but sentences in Russian that we can choose and send translated to a German so that he can understand us in his language.. will only facilitate more exchanges.