A game theory analysis of the Aisling Duval kidnapping situation

[Riverside]

Oh, I know what the event is all about. I just like poking a bit of fun around it. It's good and healthy for people to exercise their imaginations. Being a PvP event, as a non-PvP player, this doesn't have any bearing on me. Everybody is allowed to have their own fun - preferably for all, not at the expense of anyone else. I doubt very much Zerek's player is nearly as delusional as his character, any more than I am the Cosmic Curmudgeon I project.

That's good to read IndigoWyrd, because without that clarification it looks like you are just taking every opportunity to have a go at a playstyle you don't like.
I don't enjoy mining, but I don't get all sarcastic about miners whenever it comes up on the forum, I just leave them to it.

 

[TrollhunterX]

This doesn't factor in the 'we don't give in to terrorist demands' factor (which I'm sure someone else must have mentioned by now, I'll get my coat).

 

[IndigoWyrd]

That's good to read IndigoWyrd, because without that clarification it looks like you are just taking every opportunity to have a go at a playstyle you don't like.
I don't enjoy mining, but I don't get all sarcastic about miners whenever it comes up on the forum, I just leave them to it.

I'd actually said it a few posts earlier as well, or perhaps in another related thread - or both, it can be hard to keep track of things around here at times.

I don't have anything against anyone's play style, as long as they're not trying to force it on anyone. Some people like mining, some don't. Some like PvP, some don't.

I don't much care for PvP, but I'm all too willing to poke some fun at folks who take it way too seriously, especially here, where there's nothing at all to actually gain from it.
Same for BGS fiddlers - gotta change the legal status of beer around here!

But it's all largely in fun, with a subtle undertone of "It's not worth a stroke getting that worked up over it" laced in there.

If we can't laugh at ourselves first, we don't get to laugh at anyone else.

 

[Lori Jameson]

Honestly, Zarek? Do you even know how the Pilots Federation operates? It is run (primarily) by the Elite Federation of Pilots' council members. Kidnapping an Imperial Princess to sway a politically neutral power is the wrong way to go about taking them over!

Here is a quick how-to guide to PF takeover:

1. Weaken their credibility as a wholly neutral ambivalent power.

2. Weaken their hold in the Information Monopoly.

3. Discredit the EFP Council as being negligent.

4. Elect a new EFP Council under the PF guidelines.

5. Run for Chairman.

6. Reassure the Galaxy of the Pilots Federation's credibility.

7. Resume old PF tactics and Monopoly.

8. Profit.

 

[Exluna]

Yeah that's partly what I was getting at. I don't know if I'm making a large assumption in thinking that the elite player base is generally a little older than most games. With age comes a certain amount of discernment. Kidnapping the princess to feed her to Thargoids... You're not going to get a lot of participating players with something so erm... Conventional. The damsel in distress thing just won't cut it.
Like I said I applaud the attempt, but it'll have to be something better, more convincing and a lot better written for a jaded old fool like me to want to be involved. I'd wager if you could pull that off with your friends, you'd see a lot more participation!

 

[Zarek Null]

Yeah that's partly what I was getting at. I don't know if I'm making a large assumption in thinking that the elite player base is generally a little older than most games. With age comes a certain amount of discernment. Kidnapping the princess to feed her to Thargoids... You're not going to get a lot of participating players with something so erm... Conventional. The damsel in distress thing just won't cut it.
Like I said I applaud the attempt, but it'll have to be something better, more convincing and a lot better written for a jaded old fool like me to want to be involved. I'd wager if you could pull that off with your friends, you'd see a lot more participation!

We had plenty of participation with multiple wings of SDC, Nomads and 13th Legion among them, in addition to a bunch of independent commanders. The large number of people trying to squeeze into the same instance with me was a cause of frustration for many on day 2. In addition to PvPers, we had a few role players participate, such as Spatula 007.

If I ever do something like this again, I have a solution to your dissatisfaction--consider yourself permanently uninvited from all future events, so that you won't have to worry about going out of your way to write up a long comment about it again.

 

[Manticore]

Solid logic, cant argue against it. All hail Zarek Null!

My opinion: Thanks for posting an interesting proposition against what is happening in the game.

I was pledged to Duval and my home base in The Bubble is still Cubeo.

I dropped the pledge before heading out to Colonia this time and that's where I am at the moment. When the next port of call is Beagle Point there is no point in keeping up the pledge.

There are no contacts out here in Colonia for any of the Superpowers or their concomitant Powerplay characters anyway (at least not pre-3.0 and I don't think that's changing).

I suppose if I was still in The Bubble I would be supporting her ("bask in her glory etc.......").

 

[Exluna]

We had plenty of participation with multiple wings of SDC, Nomads and 13th Legion among them, in addition to a bunch of independent commanders. The large number of people trying to squeeze into the same instance with me was a cause of frustration for many on day 2. In addition to PvPers, we had a few role players participate, such as Spatula 007.

If I ever do something like this again, I have a solution to your dissatisfaction--consider yourself permanently uninvited from all future events, so that you won't have to worry about going out of your way to write up a long comment about it again.

Whoa now, did I hit a nerve with that criticism? I was trying to be constructive man, unlike most of the others here making fun of your attempts. Brush that chip off your shoulder. Already mentioned that I approve of your efforts. No need to get offended. If I didn't like your initial idea I wouldn't even bother posting.

 

[Adhock]

Same for BGS fiddlers - gotta change the legal status of beer around here!

Whoa hey now! Beer Legality is serious business and fortunately it's legal in my home turf!

Though we are dealing with a famine right now so the supply is rather low...

 

[CMDR Plexus Ironrot]

We had plenty of participation with multiple wings of SDC, Nomads and 13th Legion among them, in addition to a bunch of independent commanders. The large number of people trying to squeeze into the same instance with me was a cause of frustration for many on day 2. In addition to PvPers, we had a few role players participate, such as Spatula 007.

If I ever do something like this again, I have a solution to your dissatisfaction--consider yourself permanently uninvited from all future events, so that you won't have to worry about going out of your way to write up a long comment about it again.

Was lots of fun Zarek! Thanks for putting this together! I do wish that there was more reliable information on everything and that there was more from you on it. But overall pretty fun! To bad Yamato Crushed her with his Cutter XD

 

[Zarek Null]

Honestly, Zarek? Do you even know how the Pilots Federation operates? It is run (primarily) by the Elite Federation of Pilots' council members. Kidnapping an Imperial Princess to sway a politically neutral power is the wrong way to go about taking them over!

Here is a quick how-to guide to PF takeover:

1. Weaken their credibility as a wholly neutral ambivalent power.

2. Weaken their hold in the Information Monopoly.

3. Discredit the EFP Council as being negligent.

4. Elect a new EFP Council under the PF guidelines.

5. Run for Chairman.

6. Reassure the Galaxy of the Pilots Federation's credibility.

7. Resume old PF tactics and Monopoly.

8. Profit.

Clearly, gaining the 200 nominations I requested is not sufficient to make me leader of the Pilot's Federation. This 200 nomination goal was rather a metagame objective aimed at further building up my "political resume".

During the early parts of my overlording career, I discovered that my claims to power were vehemently disputed or ignored, even when backed by massive amounts of might-makes-right ganking.

However, when I began to publish more and more tangible demonstrations of my overlordship that I could cite during arguments, such as this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTY_aHYuqFM commanders increasingly accepted the legitimacy of my overlordship.

According to Lesson One in my Definitive Guide to System Overlord (https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=6Tq4IBEkEZw), "You have power when others *believe* that you have power. Thus, you must instill this belief in others."

This takes us back to the nominations. Receiving write-in nominations from commanders requesting me to become leader of the entire Pilot's Federation is an unprecedented political achievement, and a concrete and citable demonstration of my power. I have more nominations of this sort than any other commander in the history of our galaxy. This was just another means of making others believe in my power in order to grow the scope of my overlordship even further.

The choice of the Princess as kidnapping target has little to do with actual political alliances, and more to do with exploiting sensationalism. Human beings empathize with beautiful victims far more easily than they they do victims of actual political merit.

The other reason I chose a Aisling had to do with opportunism. Technical issues that I won't go into made her the only real target I had to choose from.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Clearly, gaining the 200 nominations I requested is not sufficient to make me leader of the Pilot's Federation. This 200 nomination goal was rather a metagame objective aimed at further building up my "political resume".

During the early parts of my overlording career, I discovered that my claims to power were vehemently disputed or ignored, even when backed by massive amounts of might-makes-right ganking.

However, when I began to publish more and more tangible demonstrations of my overlordship that I could cite during arguments, such as this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTY_aHYuqFM commanders increasingly accepted the legitimacy of my overlordship.

According to Lesson One in my Definitive Guide to System Overlord (https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=6Tq4IBEkEZw), "You have power when others *believe* that you have power. Thus, you must instill this belief in others."

This takes us back to the nominations. Receiving write-in nominations from commanders requesting me to become leader of the entire Pilot's Federation is an unprecedented political achievement, and a concrete and citable demonstration of my power. I have more nominations of this sort than any other commander in the history of our galaxy. This was just another means of making others believe in my power in order to grow the scope of my overlordship even further.

The choice of the Princess as kidnapping target has little to do with actual political alliances, and more to do with exploiting sensationalism. Human beings empathize with beautiful victims far more easily than they they do victims of actual political merit.

The other reason I chose a Aisling had to do with opportunism. Technical issues that I won't go into made her the only real target I had to choose from.

take your pills mad man.

 

[RJMcReady]

Zarek Null is the overlord this galaxy needs.

All hail.

 

[Aashenfox]

take your pills mad man.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/696/louispills.jpg

Strangely it's the most accurate post in the thread. Being a good youtuber is indeed the road to adoration for the criminally insane. Go figure.

 

[Cosmos]

I put together a game theory analysis of the current Aisling Duval kidnapping situation, illustrated in the following matrix:

https://i.imgur.com/ax63jGx.png

It seems to me that the only WIN/WIN scenario we have is the one where I am nominated as the new leader of the Pilot's Federation, and not resisted. In all other cases, someone loses. Given that win-win situations are normally the most desireable, is it not correct that complying with the Overlord's demands is the optimal choice?

Given all the smart people we have in this community, I'm interested to learn your opinions...

The problem is people don't behave rationally, particularly this community.

You made me laugh though.. I've been reading up on game theory myself recently.. :O

 

[Arry]

If I ever do something like this again, I have a solution to your dissatisfaction--consider yourself permanently uninvited from all future events, so that you won't have to worry about going out of your way to write up a long comment about it again.

I am wondering with title gives you the power over instancing. The Overlordshipness or the pilots federation's top doggieness?

 

[Zarek Null]

The problem is people don't behave rationally, particularly this community.

You made me laugh though.. I've been reading up on game theory myself recently.. :O

But you do agree that theoretically, blind obedience to an evil dictator *is* the rational choice in this situation for producing a win/win?

 

[Arry]

But you do agree that theoretically, blind obedience to an evil dictator *is* the rational choice in this situation for producing a win/win?

Lol, you have so much to learn about human beings and how power works. Name three dictators that have had natural deaths; while in power?

 

[Lori Jameson]

Clearly, gaining the 200 nominations I requested is not sufficient to make me leader of the Pilot's Federation. This 200 nomination goal was rather a metagame objective aimed at further building up my "political resume".

During the early parts of my overlording career, I discovered that my claims to power were vehemently disputed or ignored, even when backed by massive amounts of might-makes-right ganking.

However, when I began to publish more and more tangible demonstrations of my overlordship that I could cite during arguments, such as this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTY_aHYuqFM commanders increasingly accepted the legitimacy of my overlordship.

According to Lesson One in my Definitive Guide to System Overlord (https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=6Tq4IBEkEZw), "You have power when others *believe* that you have power. Thus, you must instill this belief in others."

This takes us back to the nominations. Receiving write-in nominations from commanders requesting me to become leader of the entire Pilot's Federation is an unprecedented political achievement, and a concrete and citable demonstration of my power. I have more nominations of this sort than any other commander in the history of our galaxy. This was just another means of making others believe in my power in order to grow the scope of my overlordship even further.

The choice of the Princess as kidnapping target has little to do with actual political alliances, and more to do with exploiting sensationalism. Human beings empathize with beautiful victims far more easily than they they do victims of actual political merit.

The other reason I chose a Aisling had to do with opportunism. Technical issues that I won't go into made her the only real target I had to choose from.

For merit alone, I salute you! However, Aisling should be safely returned as it would solidify your competence as a contender for 'High Councilman' of the EFP. The ability to manipulate and devide public opinion through more secretive means should be your next goal, a it is a highly sought after skill in the PF! All else fails, you should be a high ranking member (or a contender for) The Dark Wheel (as they have use for CMDRs like you).

 

[Mrat13]

Arissa would benefit most if the lose/lose scenario happened. Therefore, I'm hoping that is what takes place.

Long live the Emperor!