Privateer’s Alliance Charity Event Targeted for Griefing

[ph1Lt0r]

UA Bombing is part of the game.

Charities are NOT part of the game.

I am not judging on both of them, just saying it as a fact.

For me, playing the game as part of my relaxing free time comes first. For this I take the game as it is.

I like it when I see a charity using the game and I have donated in the past.

What I don't like is when people overload their good ambitions and using it to judge others who just play the game as they want. And yes, UA bombing something is included in the game and you may call them griefers or not, still it is intended game play.

But when you start a charity and you complain about others playing their way, which is in your way or against your way, you are driving me away from your charity AND from the game. You put a real life morale on top of the game, you judge others from your superior morality, and doing this affects my game play in a negative way. And to say it clearly: I have never UA bombed anything or "grieved" a charity or somebody, I would never do that. But still I am affected by your complains about others.

Please let us/me/others play as we wish to play.

Do whatever you like to do, including charities, but don't give me lectures about morality when I just play the game.

You didn't read the official response from the group running the charity. We aren't complaining at all. Please read the thread before accusing.

In fact we prepped prior to the announcement to keep our stations safe. PA doesn't complain, we create in game solutions.

 

[Funny]

I think the problem is that this can even be done to charity events. In real life, if someone were to sabotage a charity event, they wouod face harsh consequences.
The best solution is for frontier to disable the black market while charity events are active, or to disable the sale of ua and to have those carrying them shot down on sight.

 

[Funny]

UA Bombing is part of the game.

Charities are NOT part of the game.

I am not judging on both of them, just saying it as a fact.

For me, playing the game as part of my relaxing free time comes first. For this I take the game as it is.

I like it when I see a charity using the game and I have donated in the past.

What I don't like is when people overload their good ambitions and using it to judge others who just play the game as they want. And yes, UA bombing something is included in the game and you may call them griefers or not, still it is intended game play.

But when you start a charity and you complain about others playing their way, which is in your way or against your way, you are driving me away from your charity AND from the game. You put a real life morale on top of the game, you judge others from your superior morality, and doing this affects my game play in a negative way. And to say it clearly: I have never UA bombed anything or "grieved" a charity or somebody, I would never do that. But still I am affected by your complains about others.

Please let us/me/others play as we wish to play.

Do whatever you like to do, including charities, but don't give me lectures about morality when I just play the game.

Yes, ua bombing is a part of the game, but if you fail to understand that your actions have consequences that carry over to real life, and quite frankly are appalling, go ua bomb some other station. There’s no reason to specifically target a charity other than to harm people (again, an action that in this case will carry over to real life).

 

[SpaceScania]

UA bombing really needs to be removed from the game. It’s a feature that is causing a level of grief and pain that far, far outweighs any benefits from the mechanic. I really do not understand why this “feature” is still in the game.

 

[Sylow]

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Blah, blah, blah. You want to tell me that somebody just randomly, without knowing about a charity event, is UA bombing the stations of a charity event? I mean yea, there's only like 3 systems and a total of 5 stations in the game, so yea, it's very likely... *cough*
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Sorry, but if you just play the game, as you claim, then you won't even run into the charity event, not even speaking about UA bombing it. Nothing here will ever affect you. If you on the other hand base your actions on the knowledge of the charity event, which is not an in-game charity but happens in the actual world, then all moral judgement is well deserved. Choose one.
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And no, i am not a member of PA or in any other way involved in the organisation of this event.
But unfortunately i am a member of this community, where a few bad apples work hard to give us a bad reputation. And in the end, if we don't work against it, we also deserve to be seen as rotten.
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[RexKraemer]

You didn't read the official response from the group running the charity. We aren't complaining at all. Please read the thread before accusing.

In fact we prepped prior to the announcement to keep our stations safe. PA doesn't complain, we create in game solutions.

Using the word "griefing" is starting the accusations and its not only about this charity. It also about the Dove Enigma expedition, which I loved to hear about and appreciated. When the UA bombs arrived it turned in another direction for me and not because of the UA bombing. All this and more was mentioned in the OP.

We all have the same rights to play the game as we wish to and whenever we want to.

But some of us have the superior morality because of their high ambitions of doing something good using the game. Fine with me, but just use the game, don't abuse it.

You all know the board game RISK?

Lets say I do a charity of RISK playing, a RISK tournament for good. Part of the game is lying and pretending not to attack somebody. Everybody knows how you feel if you are betrayed like that in the game. It is some kind of griefing. Should I change the rules of the game for the charity? Should I complain about the "griefer" who just played like the game is intended to be played? Of course not.

Despite the fact that you are doing a great real life charity for a highly nobel object, don't forget it is still just a game for others.

I want to say this to all the people who call others griefers or worse and their noble charity in the same breath.

 

[RexKraemer]

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Blah, blah, blah. You want to tell me that somebody just randomly, without knowing about a charity event, is UA bombing the stations of a charity event? I mean yea, there's only like 3 systems and a total of 5 stations in the game, so yea, it's very likely... *cough*
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Sorry, but if you just play the game, as you claim, then you won't even run into the charity event, not even speaking about UA bombing it. Nothing here will ever affect you. If you on the other hand base your actions on the knowledge of the charity event, which is not an in-game charity but happens in the actual world, then all moral judgement is well deserved. Choose one.
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And no, i am not a member of PA or in any other way involved in the organisation of this event.
But unfortunately i am a member of this community, where a few bad apples work hard to give us a bad reputation. And in the end, if we don't work against it, we also deserve to be seen as rotten.
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What I say is, he did UA bombing the stations of the charity event by purpose and he had the same rights doing it, like them, doing their charity.

It is a game. It is ment to be played.

All the morality comes from outside and is not part of the game. So how do you justify your judgement about players playing inside the game from something outside?

If people are not able to abstract from real life in the game they should not play it.

There is no scientific study which correlates unambiguously first person shooters with real life aggression. So it is propably wrong to correlate in game "griefing" with real life morality.

Yes, ua bombing is a part of the game, but if you fail to understand that your actions have consequences that carry over to real life, and quite frankly are appalling, go ua bomb some other station. There’s no reason to specifically target a charity other than to harm people (again, an action that in this case will carry over to real life).

Wrong perception. The charity is real life which was carried into the game. Not the other way round.

 

[Cmdr Eran Mintor]

Pretty sure 90% of the community had no clue about the dove enigma expedition until after the mega ship was on verge of closure. In the end, the "griefers" raised awareness and donations to further the cause. Instead of thinking of these individuals as horrible neck beards remind yourself it's a game and with or without a mega ship, charity will still win at end of the day.

Regarding PA, none of the stations targeted are crucial to their event. I'm not taking part in this initiative but I am aware what their plan and motive is, and much to your disbelief it has nothing to do with wanting to grief or stop charity.

 

[ph1Lt0r]

Pretty sure 90% of the community had no clue about the dove enigma expedition until after the mega ship was on verge of closure. In the end, the "griefers" raised awareness and donations to further the cause. Instead of thinking of these individuals as horrible neck beards remind yourself it's a game and with or without a mega ship, charity will still win at end of the day.

Regarding PA, none of the stations targeted are crucial to their event. I'm not taking part in this initiative but I am aware what their plan and motive is, and much to your disbelief it has nothing to do with wanting to grief or stop charity.

I can confirm the last statement. PA is just playing elite for a month of charity to raise heart health awareness. None of the charity hinges on our stations being functional If anything, the UA attack will show just how well PA works in crisis mode.

 

[Manticore]

I like it when I see a charity using the game and I have donated in the past.

Sounds like you're bringing real life into the game there.

If people are not able to abstract from real life in the game they should not play it.

Really?

But when you start a charity and you complain about others playing their way, which is in your way or against your way, you are driving me away from your charity AND from the game.

Goodbye.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

We should be able to Opt out of BGS attacks the same way players can opt out of PVP when it comes to BGS and Powerplay.

If we could only Blockade our system to stop them.

The door swings both ways.

But I digress, we will beat them like we beat everyone else.

Cause we are the greatest thing that ever happened to Elite Dangerous.

PA 4 LIFE

 

[Powderpanic]

Pretty sure in another thread someone was bleating how PVP has no affect on the game.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Pretty sure in another thread someone was bleating how PVP has no affect on the game.

Guess they were proven wrong yet again.

[video=youtube;NTWLNjxOdNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTWLNjxOdNc[/video]

This song just gets better and better!

 

[Powderpanic]

Guess they were proven wrong yet again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTWLNjxOdNc

This song just gets better and better!

Maybe they think they can escape the game?

 

[Roybe]

The only response to this is to fix it yourselves...and reach out to the community at large.

Why is this happening? Because people in the PVP community feel it is the best way to attack the developers to get them to change the modes.

Once people figure this out...then the devs have a choice...to hand repair the problem, change the ways the modes work, or some third, or fourth idea (including not allowing people to use their assets for money raising endeavours).

The only advice I can offer is to either accept that you are going to be running out to the Pleiades a few times...or do nothing and let your charity raising fail...leaving the bad press to damage the game and the devs.

 

[Roybe]

Pretty sure in another thread someone was bleating how PVP has no affect on the game.

Guess they were proven wrong yet again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTWLNjxOdNc

This song just gets better and better!

Wrong type of PVP....this type certainly does! Shooting people in the face doesn't.

What this does do is take the Mickey to the devs. And continues to prove that the mentality of the direct PVP crowd is toxic to the game.

If this keeps up, it will warrant a PVE mode...just to spite the PVP crowd.

 

[Powderpanic]

Wrong type of PVP....this type certainly does!

[video=youtube;MsqFKTV9wSo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsqFKTV9wSo[/video]

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Maybe they think they can escape the game?

NOT TODAY!

 

[Funny]

Wrong type of PVP....this type certainly does! Shooting people in the face doesn't.

What this does do is take the Mickey to the devs. And continues to prove that the mentality of the direct PVP crowd is toxic to the game.

If this keeps up, it will warrant a PVE mode...just to spite the PVP crowd.

Turning elite dangerous full PvE outside of a dedicated mode might actually be a good idea. That way it can be the mmo it seems to want to be?

 

[VR Murgle]

The motivations of these sorry excuses for human beings aside, you'd think that by now stations would have figured out how to scan for and utterly destroy ships carrying UA...