PvP PSA about what it means when we say "Git Gud"

[Torashuu]

Here is the thing though: most people play multiple games, and play games to relax for a few hours a week. Getting good at playing games is not likely to be a source of income for the vast majority of people. Getting relaxed by doing something you enjoy is something the majority seeks to get out.

By moving to the appropriate game mode a person gets to enjoy the game, now, how they want. They have no interrest in becomming better, or cover any eventualities. You see, Elite isn't the only game around, and people have interrests that change over time. If Elite changes in such a way it does not cater to their desires, the players will simply stop playing Elite.

Telling them to get gud doesn't help them. Because being gud has no inherent value to them. People who desire a competitive enviroment to improve their game will gather in games that cater to such desires (see DotA,CS et al). Elite is not a competitive game, and as such the majority of people in it aren't looking for competitive gameplay. If they were, I recon CQC would be a whole lot more crowded.

You seem to be under the impression that possessing great skill at shooting ships in Elite is inherently valuable, or something everybody would want to maximize. I am telling you, that for what appears to be the majority, it is not of paramount importance.

This is why peope consider it annoying when the term gets thrown around, because you are aproaching them from your own mindset of what you want to get out of a game, rather than what they want to get out of the game.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I am very smart, incredibly so.

I bet you also know the best words.

 

[ilo]

By moving to the appropriate game mode a person gets to enjoy the game, now, how they want. They have no interrest in becomming better, or cover any eventualities. You see, Elite isn't the only game around, and people have interrests that change over time. If Elite changes in such a way it does not cater to their desires, the players will simply stop playing Elite.

You started super good but then you went downhill with that.

If Elite changes in such a way it does not cater to their desires, the players will simply stop playing Elite come to the forums and ask for a nerf or a buff, complain and they usually get the 'git gud' answer.

You seem to be under the impression that possessing great skill at shooting ships in Elite is inherently valuable, or something everybody would want to maximize. I am telling you, that for what appears to be the majority, it is not of paramount importance.

Not maximise, but a bare minimum is required in a space combat game.

 

[Torashuu]

You started super good but then you went downhill with that.

If Elite changes in such a way it does not cater to their desires, the players will simply stop playing Elite come to the forums and ask for a nerf or a buff, complain and they usually get the 'git gud' answer.

Not maximise, but a bare minimum is required in a space combat game.

1. Yes, some will come to the forum, but the majority will simply lose interrest and forget about it, distracted by something else. (How many games do you have in your steam/origin/whatever library? Do you still play them all? Did you post a goodbye post in all the appropriate forums when you stopped playing them?)

Regardless though, telling the complaining forum posters to get gud does not help them, it only serves to elevate the get gud poster. As it implies the respondent got gud, and thus is superior to the complainer. And they wonder why it causes friction?

2. Yes, and a bare minimum to get by vs NPCs is not very demanding, made even less so as players progress. (rather than the opposite, what a game focused on challenge would be. The intent is all there in the systems design. )

 

[Riverside]

I bet you also know the best words.

On reading your post the word 'cromulent' wandered through my mind. Had to google it to check what it meant, seems appropriate

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"Extraordinary" is a pretty good word.

You know that one?

 

[ilo]

Do you still play them all? Did you post a goodbye post in all the appropriate forums when you stopped playing them?)

This is exactly the point I've been trying to make since I joined the forum. People comes, sees what the forum is about, and keeps doing what others are doing: whinge.

I have gone to other forum's games to help in bug reports, adding suggestions or even helping in betas, finding people and sharing experiences. ED forums is a whinge about how in beta something didn't work and will not work in the future. Other than that, a lot of youtube baby-crying trying to justify why their content is at stake if they don't get a corvette in 1 hour without mentioning it. But this is the only forum I've seen people threatening the developers, judging the player base, even everynow and then showing up sales graphics and discussing why the game is dead. They said they left the game long ago but they are still playing it.

'get gud' is just as stupid as a give all content for free. Basic game mechanics are a must, in this and other games. Learning how to fight and interdiction or fly away from one is not what this forum considers 'get gud'.

 

[Cmdr Maxine Slayton]

Git Gud? I've tried. (See signature)

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

When I say git gud

Its more 'stop being a cry baby' than 'get on the same level as hardcore PvPers immediately'

 

[nosleepdemon]

It's written on the side of my ship, so if you could please stop hanging out in my blind spot that would be wonderful.

 

[Ca$hback]

A PSA from a guy who tells people to git gud? That's like Charlie Sheen hosting a kid's show.
A PSA is kinda an SJW thing, innit?

 

[KevinMillican]

The general response to "git gud" should probably be "play the game properly".

Maximising a ships weapons, hull/module reinforcements, shields, boosters etc. to make it good for one thing ie. PvP, is no indication of whether you are really good or not; especially if you make use of the 'magic potion' effects. All this means is that you play rock, paper, scissors a lot.

 

[Ca$hback]

The general response to "git gud" should probably be "play the game properly".

Maximising a ships weapons, hull/module reinforcements, shields, boosters etc. to make it good for one thing ie. PvP, is no indication of whether you are really good or not; especially if you make use of the 'magic potion' effects. All this means is that you play rock, paper, scissors a lot.

You also need those whack-a-mole skills if you use a keyboard.

 

[KevinMillican]

You also need those whack-a-mole skills if you use a keyboard.

If you can do any sort of combat with a keyboard, you're probably pretty 'gud' anyway - if under-financed.

 

[Powderpanic]

The general response to "git gud" should probably be "play the game properly".

Maximising a ships weapons, hull/module reinforcements, shields, boosters etc. to make it good for one thing ie. PvP, is no indication of whether you are really good or not; especially if you make use of the 'magic potion' effects. All this means is that you play rock, paper, scissors a lot.

See you are just plain wrong. PVP is the basis of the majority of peoples tears.
The ones who get ganked by NPC's, tend not to shout about it on the forums. As that is just embarrassing and would almost certainly result is an expected level of ribbing.

I can build a trader, explorer or miner that is unkillable by even the best gank squad.

They would still be entirely fit for purpose but just not MIN MAXED the wrong way or a badly designed build due to lack of Gudness

 

[KevinMillican]

See you are just plain wrong. PVP is the basis of the majority of peoples tears.
The ones who get ganked by NPC's, tend not to shout about it on the forums. As that is just embarrassing and would almost certainly result is an expected level of ribbing.

I can build a trader, explorer or miner that is unkillable by even the best gank squad.

They would still be entirely fit for purpose but just not MIN MAXED the wrong way or a badly designed build due to lack of Gudness

I agree it's easy to to build a ship you can survive long enough to run away. However, if you build it well enough to regularly escape human CMDRs, it becomes less interesting (ie. too easy) against NPCs. As NPC roleplay is actually more interesting (at least you get a "give me the cargo" message and the option to drop some) than the typical ganking play from from overpowered human CMDRs, I know what I'd prefer if I was hauling cargo.

That's not to say I don't enjoy some PvP in a believable context, ie. CZs and bounty hunting.

 

[ilo]

The ones who get ganked by NPC's, tend not to shout about it on the forums. As that is just embarrassing ...

hahahaha.. dude, you should keep your ego issues to yourself or visit an specialist.

 

[seko]

If these people were as good as they claim to be, then surely CQC, would be full of PvP players spitting testosterone at each other, because they have all 'got gud' ... instead they prefer seal clubbing[big grin][big grin]

 

[ilo]

If these people were as good as they claim to be, then surely CQC, would be full of PvP players spitting testosterone at each other, because they have all 'got gud' ... instead they prefer seal clubbing[big grin][big grin]

My grind is better than yours!!!!!!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If these people were as good as they claim to be, then surely CQC, would be full of PvP players spitting testosterone at each other, because they have all 'got gud' ... instead they prefer seal clubbing[big grin][big grin]

The genuinely skilled PvPers are all at the PvP hub.

And if a genuinely skilled PvPer disagrees, get to the Hub to prove it