PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

[Quantis Trap]

I can think of several things, off the top of my head, which would help PvP popularity (they all been expressed before):

• A PvP consent switch where players can indicate their consent for PvP.
• Switches for PvP groups.
• PvP matches based on close ship capability.
• In game Best of 1, 3, 5 kills SLF PvP matches.

Here's an SLF Duals feature I suggested then later made into a feature request.

I'm hoping that FD incorporates some similar things by the end of the year.


Personally I don't care to argue about if we should have a PvP switch at the player or group level. I'll personally just wait and hope something like it happens.

Claims that one will leave the game if xyz does or doesn't occur is just empty text signifying nothing.

 

[frostypaw]

If they dont want us pvping they might as well make the player ships unkillable by other players. I know, sounds stupid. I would honestly love a refund just because of this. For me the only fun part of the game was in fighting other players. The npc's are boring, the constant grinding of the same missions over and over again is boring, and exploration is a joke. They literally just came in and took away the last fun thing the game had.

Bye. What an insult to the developers.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

I can think of several things, off the top of my head, which would help PvP popularity (they all been expressed before):

• A PvP consent switch where players can indicate their consent for PvP.
• Switches for PvP groups.
• PvP matches based on close ship capability.
• In game Best of 1, 3, 5 kills SLF PvP matches.

Here's an SLF Duals feature I suggested then later made into a feature request.

I'm hoping that FD incorporates some similar things by the end of the year.


Personally I don't care to argue about if we should have a PvP switch at the player or group level. I'll personally just wait and hope something like it happens.

Claims that one will leave the game if xyz does or doesn't occur is just empty text signifying nothing.

Abaolutely none of this horrendous arcade style gameplay. This is an MMO and by blazing own trail should include blazing it through other players.
No switches or arcade competition, never!

Your pvp switch is called SOLO mode.

 

[Stigbob]

Abaolutely none of this horrendous arcade style gameplay. This is an MMO and by blazing own trail should include blazing it through other players.
No switches or arcade competition, never!

Your pvp switch is called SOLO mode.

PVP isn't compulsory, mode doesn't matter.

 

[Kefhyr]

Abaolutely none of this horrendous arcade style gameplay. This is an MMO and by blazing own trail should include blazing it through other players.
No switches or arcade competition, never!

Your pvp switch is called SOLO mode.

Problem is, we have thousands of people who just do nothing specific and think that "griefing" is something bad, something that should be punished. People who have zero interest in learning, growing their piloting skills etc. If you ever played racing simulators or standart racing games, there are same people, who play racing game and dont care about any competition or racing. They just drive their car, ride opposite direction, hit trees, steer the wheel and other nonsence and they call it "i play the way i want!". And they dont want play in offline mode for some reason, they play online too. Same stuff here, we fly on spaceships with bus-size cannons, rockets, torpedos, and people say that we dont have rights to use them, because they dont want any competition, dont want waste their time, precious ships or that their ship is not fitted for combat. And for some reason they play online. Ignoring combat part of this kind of game - thats what i call griefing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ignoring combat part of this kind of game - thats what i call griefing.

You have to explain this one to me.

I am someone who ignores combat. How am I griefing?

 

[frostypaw]

Problem is, we have thousands of people who just do nothing specific and think that "griefing" is something bad, something that should be punished. People who have zero interest in learning, growing their piloting skills etc.

You can't start insulting how others play then demanding they cater to how you want to play without saying anything bad. That's not how things work.

 

[Han_Zen]

You have to explain this one to me.

I am someone who ignores combat. How am I griefing?

 

[Kefhyr]

You have to explain this one to me.

I am someone who ignores combat. How am I griefing?

European football. All know its rules. People gather on stadion to play ball. Then for some reason few people realize that they dont know how to hit ball with their legs, dont have experience or dont want to learn anything, so damn, why not play with hands? Like Americans do. But you dont leave stadion to do your business, you stay there on stadion, ruining day for others who want to play specific game with rules it have, yelling something about your rights to play like you want with this ball. You want to play your way - leave stadion and play somewhere else. Alone.

In elite we all play with same rules. You can do whatever you want. You can buy any ship and weapons. You can roleplay anyone you want. You can kill anyone you want. Thats not my rules, i didnt tell you that i want to murder people, so you have to live with it or leave, like bully or some crazy guy. It is game rules. Like football rules. Like tennis rules. Like racing, boxing, swimming etc. I dont care that you're not in mood to fight. Dont want combat - leave online and play in solo. Dont start some kind of scenes, screaming about griefing, that you have only 1 hour per day to play game so i ruin it for you. You play in same sandbox with me. I want to shoot things, you want to do mining missions. We both have equal rights in this situation. I have all rights and reason to destroy your ship, and dont ask you if you want it or not. And you have all rights and tools to fight back, run away or leave game. And you leave game not because i am bad person, but because you dont want to play with same rules as others play. I dont care that you want to explore planets, do missions or other stuff, because you play ONLINE with me, you play with rules that game demands you to obey. Dont want to be destroyed by other CMDR? Offline is waiting for you.

My english is really bad, have to use translator, but hope main idea is understandable. If you play online and ignore combat part - you're griefing here. Not pilot who destroy your ship with "no reason". He dont have to provide you reasons. He play same game and he wanted to pew-pew-pew something, rockets or lasers. Thats all.

 

[frostypaw]

My english is really bad, have to use translator, but hope main idea is understandable.

Again football - you play with some friends - everyone has a good time.

A new player turns up - they spit on other players, kick the ball and the legs out under younger players, insults players families, their parents, threaten their kids - rest of players say "this guy is out of order - we don't want to play with him anymore"

New player says "hey there was no specific rule, you're griefing me by objecting to me being antisocial"

Learn to play with others.

 

[Kefhyr]

Again football - you play with some friends - everyone has a good time.

A new player turns up - they spit on other players, kick the ball and the legs out under younger players, insults players families, their parents, threaten their kids - rest of players say "this guy is out of order - we don't want to play with him anymore"

New player says "hey there was no specific rule, you're griefing me by objecting to me being antisocial"

Learn to play with others.

Nice change of arrows. If you think that PvE is base here, you're completely wrong.

 

[frostypaw]

Nice change of arrows. If you think that PvE is base here, you're completely wrong.

*points to previous Elite games*

Excuse me?

There's very little PvP functionality in the game. It's possible yes, but it's a long long long way from being the foundations.

 

[Kefhyr]

*points to previous Elite games*

Excuse me?

There's very little PvP functionality in the game. It's possible yes, but it's a long long long way from being the foundations.

No need to point other games. Its 2018, not 1980. In 1980 noone knew that in future millions of people will play online. In some countries fast internet appeared only in 2000s. And you're playing Elite Dangerous, online multiplayer game with possibility to play offline. And here you find enough functionality for PvP, otherwise why we talk here right now?

 

[frostypaw]

No need to point other games. Its 2018, not 1980. In 1980 noone knew that in future millions of people will play online. In some countries fast internet appeared only in 2000s. And you're playing Elite Dangerous, online multiplayer game with possibility to play offline. And here you find enough functionality for PvP, otherwise why we talk here right now?

And none of that changes that the game is primarily based around PvE.

 

[Kefhyr]

And none of that changes that the game is primarily based around PvE.

Yeah, but now your ship can be destoyed by other people, and you have to learn how to deal with it. When i played Elite 2 i never thought about it, but now we all have to learn something new. If people dont want, they're free to play in solo.

 

[Mohrgan]

Yeah, but now your ship can be destoyed by other people, and you have to learn how to deal with it. When i played Elite 2 i never thought about it, but now we all have to learn something new. If people dont want, they're free to play in solo.

Yeah, and Private Groups are pretty god for that. PG's with no PvP rules allow for interaction, without confrontation. A Gentleman's Galaxy.

 

[frostypaw]

Yeah, but now your ship can be destoyed by other people, and you have to learn how to deal with it. When i played Elite 2 i never thought about it, but now we all have to learn something new. If people dont want, they're free to play in solo.

And we're back to where nobody objects to PvP or fighting - just to the attitudes.

Football good, football while being a at - no people aren't going to want to play with you. But they will still want to play with the people who aren't being ats - hence all this drama.

 

[Sadistic Intentions]

I’ve been trying to understand why the vast majority of people are not interested in PvP in Elite Dangerous.
I’d like your thoughts on it, here are my thoughts.

For me, I like the adventure of discovering ‘what is out there’ now I know content is slim at the moment but the fact remains. I will NEVER get in a spaceship and explore the universe/galaxy in my lifetime as much as would love to. ED gives me the opportunity to do that, find weird systems and sometime amazing glitches that add to the experience.
I’ve never seen Elite as an opportunity to sit in my backyard and shoot other players, the galaxy is too big to waste time with that in my opinion.


There are thousands of games out there where the purpose is to shoot each other and do it very well. ED gives me a Galaxy to explore, why on earth would I want to do peew pew when there is a Galaxy to discover? (I’ll repeat at this point that I am aware content is thin on the ground for exploring) But at least I can find cool places to re-visit when content is added.

TLDR?
Summary – Most players purchased ED to wonder at our galaxy in their own time in their own way. For them PvP is just a waste of time and effort.

Thoughts?

Nutter
O7

I kind of have to agree..
For the longest time I was just hanging out for the time when PC's were powerful enough to be able to do exactly what ED allows us to do. My small gripe though is that to me the way FD have rendered space and it's many and varied anomalies and nebula's and phenomena. Compared to say photographs taken by Hubble. Scenery in ED is bland. Hubble has shown us just how rich and vibrant and alive the Galaxy is and ED doesn't do it justice. There is too much, same same, when with not a huge amount of effort and work ED's Milky Way could be so much better.

 

[Kefhyr]

And we're back to where nobody objects to PvP or fighting - just to the attitudes.

Football good, football while being a at - no people aren't going to want to play with you. But they will still want to play with the people who aren't being ats - hence all this drama.

You misunderstood my football example.

People at Football match - all people who want to play this game with rules it have. In elite it is PvP and PvE. All this people agree with both sides of this game. As one whole. There is no separetions by gaming rules, PvP is not cheating or hacking. It is same as mining, exploring, bounty hunting and missioning.
And then there are people, who dont agree with some rules of this game, people who ignore pvp for example, but for some reason they dont leave stadion(open mode). Thats griefing to me.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

First of all I don't think that it is the *VAST Majority* that are against PvP, although there certainly does seem to be an anti-pvp hardcore on these forums, There also seems to be a fair amount of hysteria on these forums regarding PvP and so called griefers, which imo is completely unjustified as after playing this game from beta i've only ever been griefed once....

For me Elite is a game where PvP sometimes happens, but it is not a game that is *about* PvP, when it happens its fun but for me it's only fun when there is a game reason for it, for example a pirate player attacking a trader player for his cargo... When it's becomes about attacking another player simple because they are there then for me it spoils it.

would have been interesting if FE would put up a PvE open and then they cna see how many are interested in Multiplayer and Solo and PvP. Surely the vats majority is in solo, or even private. So the vats majority might be true. Did FD ever gave stats about how many % play which mode?

VBut it shouldn't be that hard to seperate a open PVP and open PVE mode. Just make Player2Player damage nullified in the PVE group and make a seperate rule for instancing that PvP and PVE players never meet.
This woudl even help PvP palyers to meet more PvP interested players instead of someoen just highwaking off. but then it might be annoying for those who just wanna sealclub.