High Grade Emissions USS - Spawn Rates and G5 Material Provided?

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I read in the patch notes for 3.0 that the spawn rate for these G5 mat containing USS had been increased.

Has anyone found that to be true?

Not only have I been seeing less of these popping up, when I go to a specific system in say "Outbreak" in order to pick up some "Pharmaceutical Isolators", 4 out of 5 of these USS are not providing me with the "Outbreak" specific G5 I came there for, but instead keep spamming "Imperial Shielding". Which in imperial space is the "default" G5 material you get from High Grade Emissions USS when the system is not in any particular state.

So what is the deal here? Not only are these not spawning more often than in 2.4, (I could argue the rates are worse) I am also rarely getting the special G5 material I should be seeing if I am in a system under one of the special material conditions, such as the "Outbreak" system I am in as I type this.

I have been SCing around here for over an hour and have only managed to find (5) High Grade USS in that time. And only (1) of those contained the "Pharmaceutical Isolators" I specially came to this system to collect.

Shouldn't the special "State Based" G5 material at the very least least be guaranteed as the ONLY G5 mat that spawns? Considering how rare these HG USS remain in 3.02?
 
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Bob Lighthouse

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I haven't noticed fewer but I'd hesitate to say I've noticed more HGEs.
I did find some in shipping lanes which was odd, but noted in the patch.

That said I haven't had trouble finding PIs.
My hold is full.
 

Maka Gucci

Maka Gucci
Yday I had 3 HGE's in under 10 minutes, that suggests yes. However following that I only had 2 in 1 hour.. So still very RnG heavy regardless.
 
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GG7

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Bob Lighthouse said:
That said I haven't had trouble finding PIs.
My hold is full.
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Only one I have had no problem finding is Imperial Shielding. My hold has been full of those for a week, thanks to the constant spamming by the game when I am in Outbreak, Civil War or whatever special system state is "supposed" to produce other G5 mats instead of the default. :(
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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HGE seems about the same for me. Note that I've been doing deep space hunting and have not explored around shipping lanes to see what the drop rate is there.

Since 3.0 I've collected around 40 Core Dynamics Composites, around 30 Proprietary Composites, 100 Imperial Shielding, and around 50 Improvised Components.

7,000 engineer rolls and around 63,000 total mats collected since I started. So I'm fairly familiar with the process.

GG7 said:
Only one I have had no problem finding is Imperial Shielding. My hold has been full of those for a week, thanks to the constant spamming by the game when I am in Outbreak, Civil War or whatever special system state is "supposed" to produce other G5 mats instead of the default. :(
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Why not go to an Independent Outbreak system for PI or whatever? That way you won't get Imperial Shielding.
 

GG7

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Maka Gucci said:
Yday I had 3 HGE's in under 10 minutes, that suggests yes. However following that I only had 2 in 1 hour.. So still very RnG heavy regardless.
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Yeah... It is still heavily RNG dependent. I just now dropped into my 7th HG USS and this one finally contained 6 PI packets! So 2 drops out of 7 produced the G5 material that an Outbreak system is supposed to offer. The rest were the default G5 found anywhere.

I really do think that if you take the time and effort to drop into a system in a specific state that provides a state specific G5 mat, the HG USS in that system should provide that special G5 100% of the time.

Otherwise, it just feels like adding insult to injury when you finally find another HG, only to discover for the umpteenth time that it contains the default G5 that you have had 100 of for weeks.
 

GG7

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CMDR _BigJay_ said:
Why not go to an Independent Outbreak system for PI or whatever? That way you won't get Imperial Shielding.
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Are you saying Independent Systems provide the special G5 100% of the time? First I have heard of this.

I'm definitely willing to check these out if that is indeed true. I have always found that any system in Imperial Space, independent or otherwise always spawns Imperial Shielding as the default G5 mat.

Another question... How do you determine where the Shipping Lanes are? I see them come and go and swap out between that and Deep Space, but I have never been able to figure out how to stay in one or the other deliberately.

I assumed anytime you travel from the main star to a planet in the system, you would stay in a Shipping Lane, but that hasn't proven to be the case.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
GG7 said:
Yeah... It is still heavily RNG dependent. I just now dropped into my 7th HG USS and this one finally contained 6 PI packets! So 2 drops out of 7 produced the G5 material that an Outbreak system is supposed to offer. The rest were the default G5 found anywhere.

I really do think that if you take the time and effort to drop into a system in a specific state that provides a state specific G5 mat, the HG USS in that system should provide that special G5 100% of the time.

Otherwise, it just feels like adding insult to injury when you finally find another HG, only to discover for the umpteenth time that it contains the default G5 that you have had 100 of for weeks.
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IS isn't found anywhere, only in Imperial space.
Doing your search in Independent doesn't dilute the drop table.
 

CMDR _BigJay_

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GG7 said:
Are you saying Independent Systems provide the special G5 100% of the time? First I have heard of this.

I'm definitely willing to check these out of that is indeed true. I have always found that any system in Imperial Space, independent or otherwise always spawns Imperial Shielding as the default G5 mat.
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Yeah of course.

System is Imperial == Chance of Imperial Shielding.
System is in Boom == Chance of Proto Radiolic Alloys, Proto Heat Regulators, and Proto Light Alloys.

System is Imperial AND in Boom == chance of all of the above.

So choosing an Independent system in Outbreak pretty much means all of the HGE will be Pharmaceutical Isolators.
 

Maka Gucci

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GG7 said:
Are you saying Independent Systems provide the special G5 100% of the time? First I have heard of this.

I'm definitely willing to check these out if that is indeed true. I have always found that any system in Imperial Space, independent or otherwise always spawns Imperial Shielding as the default G5 mat.

Another question... How do you determine where the Shipping Lanes are? I see them come and go and swap out between that and Deep Space, but I have never been able to figure out how to stay in one or the other deliberately.

I assumed anytime you travel from the main star to a planet in the system, you would stay in a Shipping Lane, but that hasn't proven to be the case.

Thanks in advance.
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Indeed.
This is the best guide to narrow it down.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...RsDxfAcQa7cBq0YUIFy3m2NII/edit#gid=1438475835

Example exerpt.
Core Dynamic Composites
State: "None / Election (100%)
Allegiance: Federation
Rare component found only in Federal "Election" state systems in "High Grade Emission" "Unknown Signal Source".
It also drop in systems with "Boom","War","Civ War" and "Outbreak" but other rare materials reduce the chance of drop."

... Shipping lanes I don't know, I thought it was just high traffic area between stars/planets/stations.

I only search for HGE' as everything else can be gathered through less soul destroying means.
 
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GG7

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Thanks for the info!

I will make a point to check out a few Independent systems in various states to see what the drop rates look like compared to the standard Imperial or Federation systems.
 

IndigoWyrd

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I'm a Convoy Beacon magnet. Still average around 80% of my USS as Convoy Beacons these days. Seems everybody's in a big hurry to go somewhere.
 

Turd Ferguson

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I just went USS diving and I THINK overall I might have seen a few more drops, but I'm not sure if it was more HGE's or more drops in the HGE once I got one. Either way it was still a pretty time-wasting endeavor.

overall, I'd say pre-3.0 Dav's Hope spawn rate for very rare mats was slightly higher than USS diving, now it feels like USS diving is slightly faster than the spawn rate at Dav's Hope (but I'm not sure if it's because HGE drop rates were increased or Dav's Hope drop rates were decreased). I guess that's good even if it's just perception because I'd much rather get my mats the "legit" way than cheesing a reloadable POI.

for data drops, drop rates are still pretty miserable and I usually resort to running missions to get data mats rather than data beacon scans.
 
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NecasekO

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RE shipping lanes: As I understand it, all direct lines between spaceports (or nav beacon and spaceport) are considered shipping lanes. I'm not sure how "wide" they are and whether the width is uniform or changes along the length of a shipping lane.

So if you fly from system entry point to any inhabited planet, it will be a shipping lane. If you fly from one spaceport in the system to another one in a straight line, it will be a shipping lane. If you go anywhere else - towards uninhabited planets or above / below the orbital plane - it will be deep space.
 

GG7

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NecasekO said:
RE shipping lanes: As I understand it, all direct lines between spaceports (or nav beacon and spaceport) are considered shipping lanes. I'm not sure how "wide" they are and whether the width is uniform or changes along the length of a shipping lane.

So if you fly from system entry point to any inhabited planet, it will be a shipping lane. If you fly from one spaceport in the system to another one in a straight line, it will be a shipping lane. If you go anywhere else - towards uninhabited planets or above / below the orbital plane - it will be deep space.
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Thanks for this info! Makes sense and is kind of what I expected, but I never bothered to check to see if a planet I was locked onto was inhabited or not. That is probably why it kept switching to Deep Space a good portion of the time. I will make a point to ID the planet conditions now.

Thanks again! :)
 

Wasp0

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!00% have they improved. Found an Abundance of Pharm thingys Moday night, also the encoded USS with a private data beacon where spawning Datamined Wake Exceptions (picked up 27). Also Proto heat things in Bunda.

So a big YES from me
 

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
I also add "system has single star" to my searches when going HGE hunting.

I've found the shape and size of the deep space area varies considerably depending on how the system is set up.
 
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