PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

[Han_Zen]

Frontier said 'majority', that could still be a vast majority, (80/20 split), or it could be a fairly small, (60/40 split for example), majority. Doesn't matter, fact remains players who PVP are in the minority in Elite Dangerous. If you want to argue semantics over the word 'vast' you go right ahead.

And when I'd clearly said (possibly minus the word vast), you don't need to repeat it as if that was your original point, it clearly wasn't.

Even 20% would be rather impressive for an activity without any game play.

I guess PvP(dedicated) is more popular than buckyballing, canyon racing, fuel ratting or other things you can do in the game that lacks a direct purpose.

Tinfoiling and speculative science seem to be at about the level of PvP.

 

[Electric Kite]

Or we could, you know, focus on 'Why PVP is not popular in Elite Dangerous' rather than semantics, if you knew that quote and what it read why did you need it sourced? - No, your original point in my opinion was along the lines of 'how do you know, (not me, poster you quoted), PVP is in a minority) and not this hula hooping over the word vast.

Missquoting is not semantics.

Dude 1 : Im gay
Dude 2: Dude 1 said hes french,

Sematics by your definition.

Brilliant.

 

[Theodrid]

Even 20% would be rather impressive for an activity without any game play.

I guess PvP(dedicated) is more popular than buckyballing, canyon racing, fuel ratting or other things you can do in the game that lacks a direct purpose.

Tinfoiling and speculative science seem to be at about the level of PvP.

Repperoonied.

Miss quoting is not semantics.

Dude 1 : Im gay
Dude 2: Dude 1 said hes french,

Sematics by your definition.

Brilliant.

For gods sake, okay prove to me that it isn't a vast majority that don't get involved in PVP then, remember the word majority can mean a big or small majority, a big one can qualify as 'vast'.

And by the way, that is a ridiculous example.

 

[Kefhyr]

Lol sure buddy. we've all seen the salt mountains you lot pour out, not fooling anyone - look at the tears going on here. FDev have repeatedly said PvP is a minority activity but....

Yeah, already feel myself discriminated.

 

[Electric Kite]

Repperoonied.



For gods sake, okay prove to me that it isn't a vast majority that don't get involved in PVP then, remember the word majority can mean a big or small majority, a big one can qualify as 'vast'.

And by the way, that is a ridiculous example.

You want me to prove there is a difference between a majority and a vast majority?

Its kind of implied by the word.


Heres a better example then:

Dude one: Ive gotten a little better and Running.
Dude 2: Dude one said hes gotten vastly better at running.

This is Brilliant. Please continue.

 

[Theodrid]

You want me to prove there is a difference between a majority and a vast majority?

Its kind of implied by the word.

No, majority can mean any level of such, if they'd said 'small majority' you'd have a point, they didn't, a majority can be a large majority, a medium majority or a small majority, I thought you were good with words?

 

[Electric Kite]

No, majority can mean any level of such, if they'd said 'small majority' you'd have a point, they didn't, a majority can be a large majority, a medium majority or a small majority, I thought you were good with words?

Brilliant.

My point was its a missquote. You do understand what a miss quote is right?

They said majority and he assumed it was the vast majority purley to inflame the point.

Its not rocket science man....

 

[frostypaw]

You want me to prove there is a difference between a majority and a vast majority?

Its kind of implied by the word.

How many people do the PvP leagues vs. size of Mobius?

Let's have a look at San Tu's traffic figures on EDSM https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/3860/name/San+Tu

Doesn't look particularly popular.

Brilliant.

My point was its a missquote. You do understand what a miss quote is right?

Is that a girl quote?

 

[Electric Kite]

How many people do the PvP leagues vs. size of Mobius?

Let's have a look at San Tu's traffic figures on EDSM https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/3860/name/San+Tu

Doesn't look particularly popular.



Is that a girl quote?

Its the point of my post which seems to have irked a few.

Which is brilliant!

 

[Riverside]

Brilliant.

My point was its a missquote. You do understand what a miss quote is right?

They said majority and he assumed it was the vast majority purley to inflame the point.

Its not rocket science man....

So what's your point?

 

[frostypaw]

Its the point of my post which seems to have irked a few.

Which is brilliant!

It's not irked anyone, it's just a silly distraction from the topic.

PvP hub ain't that busy, PvPers are always telling us the game is set against them and it's dying out and that'll lead to the end of the game

Back to discussing why PvP isn't popular, unless this is a clever meta thing to demonstrate why it's not popular through expressing the attitude again?

 

[Theodrid]

Brilliant.

My point was its a missquote. You do understand what a miss quote is right?

They said majority and he assumed it was the vast majority purley to inflame the point.

Its not rocket science man....

Except Nutter didn't quote them, and using the word 'vast' does not by any means make using said word wrong, it has as much possibility of being correct as 'small or medium majority'. I'm really struggling to see why you are suffering so much backside pain over PVP'ers being a minority in Elite Dangerous to be honest, it's been true of virtually every multiplayer game for a bloody long time, except obviously, those focused almost entirely on PVP.

 

[Riverside]

Let's have a look at San Tu's traffic figures on EDSM https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/3860/name/San+Tu

That is interesting, thanks Is there a comparable system that might give us an idea of live Mobius players?

 

[Electric Kite]

Except Nutter didn't quote them, and using the word 'vast' does not by any means make using said word wrong, it has as much possibility of being correct as 'small or medium majority'. I'm really struggling to see why you are suffering so much backside pain over PVP'ers being a minority in Elite Dangerous to be honest, it's been true of virtually every multiplayer game for a bloody long time, except obviously, those focused almost entirely on PVP.

They said majority and he assumed it was the vast majority purley to inflame the point.

Simple really.

I do have the english language on my side to back me up here..i dont think i really need to say much more.
And it actually DOES make the statement wrong if its actually NOT the vast majority.


You get that right?


You cant just alter facts based on assumptions and pass them off matter of fact statements like he did.

If you want to try and argue its not important or just semantics fine..but you know...youd be wrong...

 

[Theodrid]

I do have the english language on my side to back me up here..i dont think i really need to say much more.
And it actually DOES make the statement wrong if its actually NOT the vast majority.

How is it a fact that it isn't a 'vast majority' if the word 'majority' doesn't exclude such a possibility? - with a lack of data on our end It isn't, as for the English language 'backing you up', the word 'majority' is a noun, it can be a big, small or a somewhere in the middle majority, now, in a vain attempt to get this back on track why do you think PVP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Go to any CG or a popular spot and you will find PvP there. I dont see how it is not popular, if I look at it from my prospective my gameplay is 100% dedicated to PvP, all my game expirience is PvP, from my prospective exploration is not popular in ED and PvP is.

IMO PvP is very popular, anyone who flies in OPEN mode loves pvp otherwise they would be in Mobius/solo.

 

[Electric Kite]

How is it a fact that it isn't a 'vast majority' if the word 'majority' doesn't preclude such a possibility? - with a lack of data on our end It isn't, as for the English language 'backing you up', the word 'majority' is a noun, it can be a big, small or somewhere in the middle majority, now, in a vain attempt to get this back on track why do you think PVP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

Are you seriously telling me that if there were two people running for president and the vote was 49/ 51 and some dude said that the president who won won by a VASY MAJORITY thats perfectly fine?

Lets make it even worse and say they didnt even disclose the numbers and the person who said he won just assumed it was a vast majority.

Thats fine?

Brilliant.

 

[Theodrid]

Are you seriously telling me that if there were two people running for president and the vote was 49/ 51 and some dude said that the president who won won by a VASY MAJORITY thats perfectly fine?

Lets make it even worse and say they didnt even disclose the numbers and the person who said he won just assumed it was a vast majority.

Thats fine?

Brilliant.

No, I'm saying the word majority doesn't mean it isn't a vast one, it doesn't mean it is a vast one and it doesn't mean anything in between, it just means 'majority'. Without the figures or quote form Frontier being more specific none of the possible levels of said majority are excluded, therefore neither vast, small or in between can be universally ruled out as factual or not.

 

[frostypaw]

Go to any CG or a popular spot and you will find PvP there. I dont see how it is not popular, if I look at it from my prospective my gameplay is 100% dedicated to PvP, all my game expirience is PvP, from my prospective exploration is not popular in ED and PvP is.

IMO PvP is very popular, anyone who flies in OPEN mode loves pvp otherwise they would be in Mobius/solo.

If it was that popular we wouldn't have to go to CGs or popular spots - the fact we have to go hunt it down when you can find PvE players everywhere only proves the point.

If you look at it from my perspective the world is flat as it clearly doesn't curve from here.

 

[Electric Kite]

No, I'm saying the word majority doesn't mean it isn't a vast one, it doesn't mean it is a vast one and it doesn't mean anything in between, it just means 'majority'. Without the figures or quote form Frontier being more specific none of the possible levels of said majority are excluded, therefore neither vast, small or in between can be universally ruled out as factual or not.

EXACTLY.

So the entire point is based on NOTHING.
Frontier never said the vast majorty..THIS GUY did.