PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

[Theodrid]

"Which revealed you were arguing the point of whether it was a majority at all"

Source please?

Okay, I'll keep it simple, you didn't know the quote from Mark Allen existed, thus, you needed it sourced, therefore, you didn't know whether the quote cited a 'vast majority' or not. Because of that you must have been arguing on whether it was a majority or minority at all, (pre quote provided by me), and not on the existence of the word 'vast' in said quote, (because you didn't know said quote existed).

Upon seeing the quote, (that you didn't know existed), you noticed the word 'vast' was missing from said quote and so switched your position from arguing whether it was a majority or not to arguing over said word, thus moving the goalposts, simples

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dum di dum di dum, I wonder what's been happening in this thread since I left

 

[Electric Kite]

Okay, I'll keep it simple, you didn't know the quote from Mark Allen existed, thus, you needed it sourced, therefore, you didn't know whether the quote cited a vast majority or not. Because of that you must have been arguing on whether it was a majority or minority, (pre quote provided by me), at all and not on the existence of the word 'vast' in said quote, (because you didn't know said quote existed).

Upon seeing the quote, (that you didn't know existed), you noticed the word 'vast' was missing from said quote and so switched your position to arguing over said word.

No i insist, let me keep it simple. You relax friend.

I never once argued it was not a majority. In fact MY ENTIRE arguement was it WAS THE MAJORITY. Just not the VAST majority.

I dont need you to give me your opinion on what you think i meant..no one does..as i said..anyone who can read knows what i meant.
Amazing.

Dum di dum di dum, I wonder what's been happening in this thread since I left

https://i.imgur.com/3ClR3z2.gif

LOL

 

[Theodrid]

No i insist, let me keep it simple. You relax friend.

I never once argued it was not a majority. In fact MY ENTIRE arguement was it WAS THE MAJORITY. Just not the VAST majority.

I dont need you to give me your opinion on what you think i meant..no one does..as i said..anyone who can read knows what i meant.
Amazing.

How, without knowing said quote existed, could you have known it wasn't a vast majority and that said quote hadn't stated that to be the case?

Answer - you didn't, so you were arguing for a majority or minority.

 

[Electric Kite]

How, without knowing said quote existed, could you have known it wasn't a vast majority and that said quote hadn't stated that to be the case?

Thats why i asked for the source....

Are you feeling OK man?

 

[Theodrid]

Thats why i asked for the source....

Are you feeling OK man?

Feeling fine cheers, so, you were making a massive assumption that it wasn't a 'vast majority' based on absolutely squat but you are calling Nutter out for making an assumption based on more, i.e Frontier's use of the word 'majority'?

 

[Electric Kite]

Feeling fine cheers, so, you were making a massive assumption that it wasn't a 'vast majority' based on absolutely squat but you are calling Nutter out for making just as wild an assumption as you did?

Asking for the source of ones information is fine.
Taking information and altering it without any proof or SOURCE is not.

Annnnd GO.

 

[frostypaw]

But remember folks it's the PvEers who are the ones crying - please do not pay attention to the past X pages of drama from PvPers worried people might notice there aren't many of them and they might not get to manipulate the game's direction.

 

[Theodrid]

Asking for the source of ones information is fine.
Taking information and altering it without any prrof or SOURCE is not.

Annnnd GO.

So, just to be clear, Nutter making an assumption on some evidence, i.e Frontier's use of the word 'majority' is not on in your eyes but you making an assumption based on diddly squat, (until a quote is provided that neither proves or disproves what Nutter said), is perfectly fine, gotcha.

 

[Electric Kite]

So, just to be clear, Nutter making an assumption on some evidence, i.e Frontier's use of the word 'majority' is not on in your eyes but you making an assumption based on diddly squat is perfectly fine, gotcha.

Sorry what am i assuming again?
I just asked for the source..i wasnt assuming anything.
Good job i did ask too because it turned out to be guesswork by the OP, by your own admission.

Thanks again for that.

(And thanks for the rep guys)

 

[Han_Zen]

I don't think any official numbers for PvP vs PvE activities exists. It's probably not possible to draw from server data.

We once had a chart that showed that Open was the most popular mode ahead of Solo, with PG as least popular. Open activity was smaller than PG/Solo together. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was in the region of 45% Open, 35 % Solo and 20% PG.

Looking at the INARA wing charts(which obviously don't account for pure Solo players) seem to support that Open is quite popular. Dedicated PvP wings are however quite rare.

Only one large wing has reported PvP as their 'style'. 7 medium and 12 small wing, report the same.

Source: https://inara.cz/wings/

Speculative conclusion: Open mode is popular, but players with PvP as their main focus are a small minority.

 

[Riverside]

Asking for the source of ones information is fine.
Taking information and altering it without any prrof or SOURCE is not.

Annnnd GO.

Are you going to go through the whole thread & pick out all the unconfirmed opinion on both sides?

Arguably PvP is not a popular activity, arguably the vast majority don't regularly engage in it. State your case why you think these points are wrong on your opinion, or reasons why it might not be as popular as it could be, or just ways in which it could be improved.

I see no benefit in arguing the accuracy of a vague statement. Vast has no strict numerical definition, it's meaningless hyperbole to emphasise a point.

 

[Theodrid]

Sorry what am i assuming again?
I just asked for the source..i wasnt assuming anything.
Good job i did ask too because it turned out to be guesswork by the OP, by your own admission.

Thanks again for that.

It's also guesswork and a massive assumption by you that a 'vast majority' isn't the case here, but hey, don't let double standards get in your way.

 

[Electric Kite]

I don't think any official numbers for PvP vs PvE activities exists. It's probably not possible to draw from server data.

We once had a chart that showed that Open was the most popular mode ahead of Solo, with PG as least popular. Open activity was smaller than PG/Solo together. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was in the region of 45% Open, 35 % Solo and 20% PG.

Looking at the INARA wing charts(which obviously don't account for pure Solo players) seem to support that Open is quite popular. Dedicated PvP wings are however quite rare.

Only one large wing has reported PvP as their 'style'. 7 medium and 12 small wing, report the same.

Source: https://inara.cz/wings/

Speculative conclusion: Open mode is popular, but players with PvP as their main focus are a small minority.

Will chat with you as soon as im done trying to teach english to this fine fellow.

 

[frostypaw]

Will chat with you as soon as im done trying to teach english to this fine fellow.

That could be a miss take.

 

[Electric Kite]

It's also guesswork and a massive assumption by you that a 'vast majority' isn't the case but hey, don't let double standards get in your way.

No.

What ive done is look at what Frontier said.with WORDS..and said :Ok this is this.
Then looked at what someone on the forums took from Frontiers words..added their OWN words and said : Hey..you cant do that.

Then for some reason i got caught up in english language lessons with someone who clearly is upset right now.

You sure youre OK man?

That could be a miss take.

*mistake

 

[Theodrid]

No.

What ive done is look at what Frontier said.with WORDS..and said :Ok this is this.
Then looked at what someone on the forms took from Frontiers words..added their OWN words and said : Hey..you cant do that.

Then for some reason i got caught up in english language lessons with someone who clearly is upset right now.

You sure youre OK man?




*mistake

Estonia's election takes place, the Socialists win with 73% of the popular vote.

BBC news reports that the socialists in Estonia have won with a vast majority.

ITV news reports that the socialists in Estonia have won by a majority.

Who is right? Of course they both are because a majority can be big, small or anywhere along the scale.

Teach me English, laughable.

 

[PeLucheuh]

That's not true. It's simply to address consequence free criminal behaviour of any kind, which includes seal clubbing, ganking even piracy in a much lesser degree. You should still be able to do all those things, but there should be consequences attached to them which makes doing them continuously more of a problem.

What you wrote is correct but does not make what i wrote false. There is specific rule in 3.0 C&P to partially address seal clubbing :

Notoriety and Murder

• If the victim is a Commander (a player rather than an NPC) then you pay 10% percent per point of notoriety of the difference between your base rebuy cost, factoring in engineering, and the victim’s rebuy cost. If your cost is less than your victim’s, this will be zero. This is to de-incentivise destroying smaller ships than your own. This number, as well as others in the Beyond update, will be revisited and tweaked after launch to make sure the game is as balanced and enjoyable as possible.

3.0 Launch stream timestamp

 

[Electric Kite]

Estonia's election takes place, the Socialists win with 73% of the popular vote.

BBC news reports that the socialists in Estonia have won with a vast majority.

ITV news reports that the socialists in Estonia have won by a majority.

Who is right?

Teach me English, laughable.

I can make the exact same point to support me arguement: In fact i did...nice to see your using my templates now too. Heres another:

Group B wins by a Majority of 1%
Report says they won by a vast majority.

Soo.......

We dont have the numbers to suggest how big the gap was.
What frontier DID say was it was a majority.

This guy just ASSUMED it was a vast majority.

And for some reason..you just cant seem to grasp this concept.
Instead of assuming...why not just say what we DO know...its a majority.....

Rocket.
Science.

 

[Ethaidan]

All of this has become vastly boring. See what I did there!

But let's add some unnecessary fire. The 'vast' qualifier, while not originally sourced, is more than likely accurate. That reddit survey did show an interesting pattern of player games style preferences - with PvP coming out as a pretty vast minority. This from a fair sized survey open over a long enough period to have potentially interesting results which may have some methodological flaws (admitted by the creator), but given that it was conducted on reddit, it probably shows high representative PvP numbers than there are within the non-reddit population.

So, 'vast' may well have been 'incorrectly sorced/referenced' within the context of the quote provided, but accurate none the less.

Now how about moving on.