PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

[ALGOMATIC]

Hardly, and IMO you have just invalidated ANY opinions you may have or have ever had about ED with your entire response.

Having actually used a T-Flight myself, it is probably the best stick for the price - which was a relevant point given their concerns about real money expenditure. In the UK, no other stick matches up to it for <40UKP.

I still have it as a backup for my Warthog which is part of my main setup.

Post a video of you fighting.

I use dual sticks with full fa off, although gimbals. Zaphod knows what he is talking about, I fought him and along him many times.

 

[lenna]

Similarly if a PvP player wants to infiltrate a PvE group the game doesn't prevent it (but it could remind them of the rules of the group).

That kind of behaviour is expressly prohibited and is a sanctionable offense as far as the devs are concerned. The PvPers in that case know exactly what they are doing and ignorance of the EULA/TOS is no excuse.

No, it is not up to the game to "make people" obey the code-of-conduct, it is up to people to use common sense and not break the rules. If they do, then they deserve whatever punishment the devs choose to dish out.

 

[Riverside]

Post a video of you fighting.

I use dual sticks with full fa off, although gimbals. Zaphod knows what he is talking about, I fought him and along him many times.

I'm not sure that would help, there is a lot more to the game than just combat, although combat is where micro-accuracy matters most. I appreciate it's what's most important to you, but you must also appreciate that most play the game for more reasons than you (based on your previous comments in this thread).

 

[ALGOMATIC]

That kind of behaviour is expressly prohibited and is a sanctionable offense as far as the devs are concerned. The PvPers in that case know exactly what they are doing and ignorance of the EULA/TOS is no excuse.

No, it is not up to the game to "make people" obey the code-of-conduct, it is up to people to use common sense and not break the rules. If they do, then they deserve whatever punishment the devs choose to dish out.

No its not.

Fdev does not allow to rename your cmdr or use alt accounts to enter PGs.

If its an original account you are allowed to massacare people in Mobius if they let you in.

I'm not sure that would help, there is a lot more to the game than just combat, although combat is where micro-accuracy matters most. I appreciate it's what's most important to you, but you must also appreciate that most play the game for more reasons than you (based on your previous comments in this thread).

Fixed weapons fa off kb&m is a winner without a discussion.

To fly in straight line in SC you can do with anything.

 

[Riverside]

That kind of behaviour is expressly prohibited and is a sanctionable offense as far as the devs are concerned. The PvPers in that case know exactly what they are doing and ignorance of the EULA/TOS is no excuse.

No, it is not up to the game to "make people" obey the code-of-conduct, it is up to people to use common sense and not break the rules. If they do, then they deserve whatever punishment the devs choose to dish out.

I wasn't aware FDev were that harsh about it, but okay sure. Common Sense isn't a strictly defined thing, there is latitude for personal initiative & creative solutions. The game doesn't prevent PvP in a group, there is no toggle for rules. There could be, but there isn't.

This does point out a disparity between the two extremes though, the extreme PvE player wants nothing to do with the extreme PvP player, but the extreme PvP player seemingly wants to 'interact' with the extreme PvE player. In-game I mean, not forum PvP.

 

[lenna]

Post a video of you fighting.

I use dual sticks with full fa off, although gimbals. Zaphod knows what he is talking about, I fought him and along him many times.

Errm.. no... I do not twitch, you-tube, or stream and have ZERO interest in getting started - they are a fools game IMO.

As for Zaphod or your combat skilz, feel free to continue your self-affirmation lines of thought. I also know what I am talking about and I am not alone with my opinions on control systems in ED... initially, it took some-one some persuading for me to be convinced of the benefits of HOTAS over KB/M. There is a marked difference between the two.

I am not saying that a good KB/M pilot could not beat an average/poor stick pilot but there is a lot to be gained by using a proper HOTAS solution (preferably with a proper throttle and a twist-axis on the stick - the twist is not a requirement but it can make a significant difference). Dual-Sticks and gamepads are not ideal for ED IMO - accurate analogue throttle control can be a deal clincher and that is only realistically achievable IME with a proper throttle stick.

 

[lenna]

I wasn't aware FDev were that harsh about it, but okay sure. Common Sense isn't a strictly defined thing, there is latitude for personal initiative & creative solutions. The game doesn't prevent PvP in a group, there is no toggle for rules. There could be, but there isn't.

This does point out a disparity between the two extremes though, the extreme PvE player wants nothing to do with the extreme PvP player, but the extreme PvP player seemingly wants to 'interact' with the extreme PvE player. In-game I mean, not forum PvP.

Infiltration of the kind you were talking about is considered a form of harassment.

And the PvPers are some how surprised by why the PvEers don't want to play with them and then the PvPers go about using snowflake and space-trucker euphemisms rather than trying to see the viewpoint of the other side. Invariably, it is unlikely the relevant PvPers will ever see the light - this thread has shown enough evidence to prove that theory.

Some of us PvEers are not actually anti-PvP, just anti the kind of PvP that some engage in.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Errm.. no... I do not twitch, you-tube, or stream and have ZERO interest in getting started - they are a fools game IMO.

As for Zaphod or your combat skilz, feel free to continue your self-affirmation lines of thought. I also know what I am talking about and I am not alone with my opinions on control systems in ED... initially, it took some-one some persuading for me to be convinced of the benefits of HOTAS over KB/M. There is a marked difference between the two.

I am not saying that a good KB/M pilot could not beat an average/poor stick pilot but there is a lot to be gained by using a proper HOTAS solution (preferably with a proper throttle and a twist-axis on the stick - the twist is not a requirement but it can make a significant difference). Dual-Sticks and gamepads are not ideal for ED IMO - accurate analogue throttle control can be a deal clincher and that is only realistically achievable IME with a proper throttle stick.

Are you talking about combat or general flying in ED? Because if you are talking about combat than kb&m is a winner over anything else and I am afraid there is no argument about it.

 

[lenna]

Are you talking about combat or general flying in ED? Because if you are talking about combat than kb&m is a winner over anything else and I am afraid there is no argument about it.

Only a one-eyed person only sees one side of a debate, there are pros and cons to both approaches but IMO/IME the HOTAS is better overall both for combat and general flight.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Only a one-eyed person only sees one side of a debate, there are pros and cons to both approaches but IMO/IME the HOTAS is better overall both for combat and general flight.

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about . Not to disrespect but if you dont pvp, you just dont know. The best fao off lords in this game all use kb&m.

 

[bitstorm]

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about . Not to disrespect but if you dont pvp, you just dont know. The best fao off lords in this game all use kb&m.

Isinona uses T Flight HOTAS X.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Isinona uses T Flight HOTAS X.

He fights with NPCs.

 

[Han_Zen]

He fights with NPCs.

Didn’t use to. Before engineering he did mostly PvP.
He hit plenty with rails.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Didn’t use to. Before engineering he did mostly PvP.
He hit plenty with rails.

Well we will need to see him 1 v 1 with a pvpier.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

To be perfectly honest, I use a hybrid setup myself. When I first started, I used a controller (played from the living room couch for a bit early on), then I moved on to the TFlightX, and gradually started buying better stuff. My current setup consists of CH Pro pedals for fwd/rev thrust, a t1600m for vert/lat thrust and roll, and mouse for pitch/yaw. I have the stick set to pitch/yaw on the alternate config, so a button push gives me an easy transition to SC control. Switching hands for control was the hardest thing to get used to.

Sometimes I just use the kb&m if I'm being lazy or am not at home, but I'd rather not.

So I get your point.

Algomatic uses 2 sticks, so he clearly sees your side of the argument.

But the fact remains that most of the best PvPers use kb/m setups.

The most common complaint from kb/m users is that relative mouse control isn't so great for SC.

Which isn't great, but is easily worked around by assigning keys for pitch. Not much of a complaint as far as such things go.

The most common complaint from HOTAS users?

Landing is hard.

I might be making that one up... (the thing about it being the most common complaint anyway) but it sure seems like Ive seen it a lot.

Aiming fixed with fa off hotas/sticks (even with curves set up) is not easy and puts you at a disadvantage vs fao lord kb&m user.

 

[Mohrgan]

I remember a fellow named Breakfastmelon going through the set up for K&M for a bunch of guys in a player group. He was massive, the rest of us weren't. I was his shooting dummy for warming up for PvP matches. He could snipe a Drive like no one I know.

To each there own. Use the K&M thing as another reason I just gave open over the PvP crowd. I just wanted to have fun, and fly a space ship. These guys wanted to dominate the skies. Most of them thought that was just fine. My method was just fine for system patrols, they were into competition. To each their own. Or so I would wish. But, it appears everyone is expected to live up to one standard, or they are cheating. It's a shame.

 

[PeLucheuh]

Infiltration of the kind you were talking about is considered a form of harassment.

And the PvPers are some how surprised by why the PvEers don't want to play with them and then the PvPers go about using snowflake and space-trucker euphemisms rather than trying to see the viewpoint of the other side. Invariably, it is unlikely the relevant PvPers will ever see the light - this thread has shown enough evidence to prove that theory.

Some of us PvEers are not actually anti-PvP, just anti the kind of PvP that some engage in.

PvPers are mostly surprised that PvEers only don't want to play the game in its full range.
You have to remember that by design PvPers are also extreme PvEers.

 

[Mohrgan]

PvPers are mostly surprised that PvEers only don't want to play the game in its full range.
You have to remember that by design PvPers are also extreme PvEers.

That's kind of crazy. Considering the three modes were cooked in from the onset. The idea that some players wouldn't be interested in PvP was a very very early consideration. What is a surprise, is that anyone who claims to be so deep in the workings of the game should wonder why some players just don't want to dig that deep for a piece of entertainment.

I mean video games are really just interactive TV. It's not like pushing mice or flightsticks around while munching snacks builds any real life skills. Measuring anything other than game playing, in a video game is pretty asinine. I'm betting I'm not the only person playing E|D that doesn't want anything extreme in it, but a good time.

 

[Riverside]

You have to remember that by design PvPers are also extreme PvEers.

You mean extreme min/maxers tbh I gave this statement more credibility before the 5 for 1 thing.

I don't try to figure out what's in ED's black boxes (hidden mechanics) with spreadsheets or even pen & paper or any other external tools, I just play the game and my enjoyment is the better for it. Of course it almost certainly means my shields & weapons won't be as strong (although the new engineering should help with that) but it also means I don't get frustrated by repetition, or duck into solo to do a bunch of mats gathering.

There's more than one way to play, there's more than one measure to compare the game (and your choice of controller) to. Meeting other players is a small part of that, hostile encounters a small part of that.

I play in open for that little extra thrill, on the rare occasions I play in solo it feels like something is missing now, it's just a little too empty. So I play in Open, where everything can happen, hostile player encounters are just a tiny part of that.

 

[frostypaw]

PvPers are mostly surprised that PvEers only don't want to play the game in its full range.
You have to remember that by design PvPers are also extreme PvEers.

Oh is that why all the crying goes down when people have to fly 5kylies out then they suicide back, because they're playing the game in it's full range?

It's just odd this constant buttering yourselves up.... that's.... unusual.