What is the new meta? Just so that I can fit the required anti-meta module(s) to survive a gank whilst I'm busy running missions.
The old meta required me to give up on PVE things to fit MRPs, AFMUs and heatsinks. What's next?
What happened to all the griefers and gankers?
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What is the new meta? Just so that I can fit the required anti-meta module(s) to survive a gank whilst I'm busy running missions.
The old meta required me to give up on PVE things to fit MRPs, AFMUs and heatsinks. What's next?
I want people in open play that recognize that getting shot at can happen at any time, for any reason, or even for no reason, and learn to play accordingly. I don't care if they learn to run, learn to fight, or die crying "No fair". I want them to take responsibility for their own safety. Ideally, I'd like them to give me a fun fight as well, but I can admire a slippery trader that slips interdictions, escapes low wakes, and makes it where he's headed despite adversity.
You simply haven't got this yet have you.
Most players do NOT fly about in fully optimised combat ships. The implications are REAL SIMPLE. You interdict them and kick their teeth in. Who is going to sign up to be the victim?
Now for all of that, I DO agree that PvP should be viable in game. I'm going to put a suggestion up shortly. See what you think.
Getting my teeth kicked in just made me want to learn how to defend myself. Ironically, it was the forum reaction to PvPers that pushed me to the dark side of player murdering and becoming friends with other like minded players.
If you’re going to get this upset about getting blown up, yes, go play in a different mode. You’re not the sort of people we want to fly with or fight anyway.
Then go play in Mobius if it fits your expectations.
Open is not just for PvP or PvE, it is just Open and players can do whatever they want within the framework of the game rules no matter what YOU want (your personal reasons/choices/rules only apply to yourself). What only matters are FDev's rules.
Players can simply hunt other commanders in this cutthroat galaxy.
Stop making assumptions about players reasons and acknowledge how the game works. You can play the way you want like anyone else.
I love the way that you think it's wrong for me to ask to be allowed to play my own way, when you're absolutely insisting that you're going to play however you want, even if it's at my expense. See any contradiction there?
In the meantime, I have tried to make a positive suggestion regarding PvP, i.e. a good OUTLET for your combat requirements.
You’re rolling into a game of Texas Hold Em in some dusty back room in a dive bar and wondering why people are mad you brought Monopoly money.
Open Play is cut throat. If you can’t be a wolf, be a fox.
Open Play is cut throat. If you can’t be a wolf, be a fox.
And sometimes the game helps you out with a bug to safe players from griefers.
https://youtu.be/jC32WFd3xLM
https://youtu.be/jC32WFd3xLM
After being set upon by a number of players in the past few weeks only interested in upping their kill counts and noting that they typically only interdict me when I'm flying my crappy utility ships rather than my warships, I decided that this really isn't gameplay I find amusing and Open doesn't really offer anything else of value on a regular basis for this PVE player. I'm not one to say FD needs to do anything about this kind of play--especially as they give me other modes that remove that portion I don't care for.
I'm kind of surprised I hadn't made this move already--have played in Open almost all the time since launch, but this past weekend I shifted and haven't been back in Open since. Oddly enough, the game doesn't appear any different, other than the lack of hollow triangles in popular locations.
I'm kind of surprised I hadn't made this move already--have played in Open almost all the time since launch, but this past weekend I shifted and haven't been back in Open since. Oddly enough, the game doesn't appear any different, other than the lack of hollow triangles in popular locations.
As mentioned, have put a thread up with a suggestion that we use Bunda for some good PvP. Turns out we already have another place, but hey, why not two.
So maybe you chaps can actually meet up for some serious PvP, as against just battering far less capable trader ships.
For that matter, if I know I might get the chance to get into some real combat on vaguely equal terms, I think I'll take a look myself.
Otherwise, you guys get your wish. I'll go play in Mobius and leave Open to the griefers and the players who still haven't signed up for a private group.
So maybe you chaps can actually meet up for some serious PvP, as against just battering far less capable trader ships.
For that matter, if I know I might get the chance to get into some real combat on vaguely equal terms, I think I'll take a look myself.
Otherwise, you guys get your wish. I'll go play in Mobius and leave Open to the griefers and the players who still haven't signed up for a private group.
That's pretty rich coming from someone who likely attacks unarmed trade ships for no other reason than lols. You are not "fighting" with someone who is not armed or even fighting back, you are clubbing baby seals. Additionally, if this fellow isn't someone you want to fly with, why don't you just leave them alone? Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question.
Don’t worry honey, I’ve attacked and killed everything from Harmless Sidewinders to the most battle ready Elite Fer De Lances, Cutters, and Corvettes. Up until very recently, my RoE was anyone with even a hint of Imperial sympathy. Sure, lots of lols are always had, but the reasons were as legitimate as reasons get.
Taken my share of lickings, too! Heck, even learned about myself in the process.
But thing is it ain’t just the fighting I was talking about but also the flying. You missed that bit. Fact of the matter is best way to get to know someone in Elite is scrap with ‘em any way you can. Go for the laughs because the ones with a sense of humor and perspective have become some of my best friends.
Taken my share of lickings, too! Heck, even learned about myself in the process.
But thing is it ain’t just the fighting I was talking about but also the flying. You missed that bit. Fact of the matter is best way to get to know someone in Elite is scrap with ‘em any way you can. Go for the laughs because the ones with a sense of humor and perspective have become some of my best friends.
You really don't get how condescending you're being, do you? You proposed something that's already been a thing for a while, because the PvP community isn't brain dead, called us us all gankers that exclusively hunt for soft targets unless we have someone like you to guide us in the way of finding proper fights, and you automatically assume that everyone is either as helpless as you, or as in a G5 FDL. Some people get along just fine in a middle ground, and enjoy Open by using their brain to keep themselves safe.
Everyone who enjoys looking down on the PvP community sees nothing but a pack of monsters who seek out helpless T6s and swoop in. Some people may, yes, but you use an astounding amount of generalizations to paint anyone that likes fighting randoms with the same brush. I personally have a set of RoE that guide who I do or don't pull, but I fully expect you to scoff and call me a dirty griefer no matter what I say, since you've had your mind made up for a while.
The only contradiction is in what you wrote. Once again, in Open, the way you choose to play the game only apply to yourself. What you want or expect does not matter and it is the same for everyone.
You are allowed to play your own way as others are. But "playing your way" does not mean "choosing your rules & game mechanics".
PvP is a non optional multiplayer game core functionality and affect everyone equally. Hence it can't be at your expense.
Once you acknowledge and understand that, you will figure out that you can choose what you want to do, adapt to it or going in a private group where specific players rules can almost nullify this multiplayer game core design.
Frustration comes from wrong expectations and assumptions regarding the game.
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That was very well-said... rational and reasonable.
You should all listen to PeLucheuh, though I know you will choose not to.
PeLucheuh is a sharp one. Loving the perspective.
That tends to be the most common disconnect veteran players have when it comes to which mode they prefer. I have always found Open to be basically the same as Solo or a PG 95% of the time. The major differences besides the potential to get ganked, (and usually when you are flying a transport ship with no weapons)... Is how much more glitchy the game's performance is in Open vs all other modes.
I can't stand seeing all these lagging human players rubber banding about in SuperCruise constantly, and waiting for 2-3 minutes and sometimes more trying to drop out of SC at a station or planet or something. If there is some major event taking place, you might not even be able to drop into the location without getting disconnected several times in a row.
Just not enough there to warrant putting up with. Most of the folks on my friends list either play in Solo or the PG for our PowerPlay group, so I have no shortage of other human players to fly with if that is what I want to do. And the lack of server disconnects and glitchy MP based lag is always welcome.
As I have been saying for years... Open Play mode is hands down the most overrated aspect of Elite Dangerous.
Nothing else comes remotely close to it.
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Isn't "PeLucheuh" Comanche for "He who sees with sharp eyes while also running with smiling dogs" ?
It was meant to sound condescending.
When I was a kid, I played a lot of Chess. That's a game that insists that both players start on equal terms.
What you guys seem to be suggesting, and certainly what I've experienced in the last two weeks has been players insisting on most definitely UNEQUAL terms for combat.
Let me put it another way. Imagine you're a group of fit 21 year olds. Do you go down to the local park and play football with a bunch of 10 year olds, because that's the equivalent of what is happening when optimised PvP ships take on cargo ships and similar.
I'll say it AGAIN. I think the game should have PvP. However, I don't understand why it has dissolved into the level of griefing of weaker ships. Just comes across as rather pathetic.
As suggested in this thread, why no get into deliberate combat where at least there's a level of danger?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Bunda-(for-discussion)?p=6514833#post6514833