no... its simple don't do the crime, if you get a bounty that's your issue.
New crime and punishment system sucks.
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no... its simple don't do the crime, if you get a bounty that's your issue.
So it's entirely proportionate that in the middle of a dogfight with pirates, you accidentally graze the shields of an Authority vessel, you end up with a bounty and an inability to pay off your 400cr fine locally - and have to traipse off to some low-sec system before you can use the local facilities again?
I agree with you 100% for deliberate actions, such as ship killing or hull damage - but grazing a shield? Really? Give me the fine - happy with that, yes, I'll be more careful next time officer; is it reasonable to have to go to an IF to pay it off?
I agree with you 100% for deliberate actions, such as ship killing or hull damage - but grazing a shield? Really? Give me the fine - happy with that, yes, I'll be more careful next time officer; is it reasonable to have to go to an IF to pay it off?
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First off - you need to stop conflating the terms "bounty" and "fine".
And yeah, it's entirely reasonable to mark you with a small bounty if you're so reckless with your weapons that you can't help but shoot innocent cops. They have families, friends, and are just trying to get through the day when criminal filth like you come along and endanger their lives with reckless abandon.
You should be ashamed, and you deserve what's coming to you, space trash.
When one fires a rocket launcher at the police there are no accidents
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Exactly.
Pro tip: Don't commit crime unless it's gonna be worth it.
In fairness, one time I hit a cop with a *guided* missile heading for a valid target, 2km out from initial launch. I need to reupload the video, but that was taking the mickey XD
They also need to apply the current C&P mechanics to the hostile state, with similar rewards. This game isn't called Elite: Best Friends...
In fairness, one time I hit a cop with a *guided* missile heading for a valid target, 2km out from initial launch. I need to reupload the video, but that was taking the mickey XD
They also need to apply the current C&P mechanics to the hostile state, with similar rewards. This game isn't called Elite: Best Friends...
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My argument is that it *should* be a fine to paid off locally for minor infractions such as grazing shields (with a laser, sheesh) and not a bounty, which you have to travel to an IF for. And accidental friendly fire happens, it's just that in ED, it elicits the same response from the authorities as murder: instant kill response, bounty, no access to local system menus. Bit harsh, I think. Just saying. It's one of the few bits of the Crime and Punishment system I think has gone a bit too far. Happy with most of the other stuff.
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It is a fine, as long as you pay attention to what you're doing. Only when you refuse to lay off the trigger does it become a bounty.
Again, if you breach that threshold... as for having to travel to the IF, we're now seeing the cost of laziness.
Negligent. Not accidental. "Accidental" suggests that you were not at fault. You most certainly were at fault.
Yeah, people tend to react negatively to you putting their lives in danger recklessly.
Funny thing is, the only change has been an increase to the threshold, which now allows for fines and bounties, the latter if you can't lay off the trigger.
I'm happy with everything. I dig the new C&P system. But, as I said, the only thing "new" about the friendly fire rules is that they have been made more lenient. What we're not seeing is a new wave of people getting caught up by the "new system", we're seeing the same people not being able to shrug off their recklessness as they could with the old system.
Agreed!
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I could argue, but there's no point. Forgot that the internet inhabitant is *always* right.
I could argue, but there's no point. Forgot that the internet inhabitant is *always* right.
Don't shoot cops its not hard... you have all the tools to prevent such incidents from happening. its on you to ensure you watch where you fire, failing that use smart rounds.
Then by your logic I should be able to fire off a cap gun next to any cop on the street? You think they are gonna accept "Oops...my bad, but since I didn't really harm anyone I will be off now"...Somehow I don't think so, but please feel free to try it if you are feeling self-righteous.
Again - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ACCIDENTAL FRIENDLY FIRE FROM A WARSHIP - EVER.
Or learn some situational awareness and trigger discipline.
I am always paying attention to my "allies" at the time and what they're doing. The second I see a non-red dot start to zip toward my bow I know it's something I shouldn't be shooting and I need to look out the canopy. Soon as I see them flash past my finger is already off the trigger and it STAYS OFF.
By that time I've done enough damage that I don't need to worry about Kill Stealing cops. They can blow it up all they want to and I'll get paid while I'm switching to open fire on another target.
That's the two things wrong with people who complain about the Assault bounties. They're tunnel visioning onto their target and they don't take their fingers off the trigger until something's told them they've shot something they weren't supposed to. At that point however there's already too much of your deadly force in the space that you aren't just "grazing" them. You've committed full out assault.
By taking my finger off the trigger when I see something flash past me. It means there's no longer any outgoing fire so they take actual glancing blows.
I've been warned a few times now and have never incurred an Assault Bounty under the new system as of yet. I can fully confirm the friendly fire tolerance has been increased.
So take your fingers off the trigger. Lead finger is the number one leading cause in Assault Bounties.
The thing in not understanding though... how are people reaching the stage of getting notoriety. I had an incident where i negligently shot a clean target by mistake.
'Oh no!' I thought. Now every clean bounty hunter will be attacking me, and if i hang round I'll get a kill bounty against me. Best case i need to tank some random npc constantly to avoid getting a kill against my name and that will just be a pain.
So i warped to the system next door, wiped the 400cr bounty straight away, went back to it.
Don't wait for the guy you attacked to die by pirates, if it's really a mistake, do what you need to to clear your name if it really was a mistake. Else reap what you sow.
*cue the but what if that accidental shot is a twin c4 plasma acceleratoe to a sidewinder. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE KILL" crowd.... because that's 'just a graze"
'Oh no!' I thought. Now every clean bounty hunter will be attacking me, and if i hang round I'll get a kill bounty against me. Best case i need to tank some random npc constantly to avoid getting a kill against my name and that will just be a pain.
So i warped to the system next door, wiped the 400cr bounty straight away, went back to it.
Don't wait for the guy you attacked to die by pirates, if it's really a mistake, do what you need to to clear your name if it really was a mistake. Else reap what you sow.
*cue the but what if that accidental shot is a twin c4 plasma acceleratoe to a sidewinder. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE KILL" crowd.... because that's 'just a graze"
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*cue the but what if that accidental shot is a twin c4 plasma acceleratoe to a sidewinder. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE KILL" crowd.... because that's 'just a graze"
Oh, it's comin'...
Like I've said before - If you're gonna play with big boy guns, you'd better put your big boy pants on.
Sorry speeding or trespassing isn't exactly on par with murder...
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it sure is if you hit someone.
If you are hitting someone trespassing then you are doing it wrong...
Don't do the crime then... you guys asked for C&P now you have it you still complain because all this time you where committing crimes too!
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After all this time, it's now obvious who the real criminals were...
No there is a big difference of going from one extreme to another and that's exactly what has happened here. Considering Planetary scan missions don't tell you that you will get a bounty when scanning, even if you are scanning outside of the trespassing zone. That is failure on their part right there. If that had gone to a real court, it would be thrown out...