This game just isn't worth playing at the moment

[floozie]

These kind of angry threads usually do not help too much,

but the OP has a point. The rewards of missions in effort/payout have always been terrible and have never been able to be addressed in a satisfactonal quality.
I always put those things on the side and did other things in the game that worked adequately.

Now as the wing missions are there I get reminded at the terrible state of the balance and netcode quality. Netcode and building and maintaining a real working wing is really nasty. Its somehow half working, which was acceptable until the wing missions were there, because i simply did not use the wing system. But now with this missions, it makes the game again feel very faulty.

Frontier is always very fast and good in developing new stuff, but balancing and getting it along with the backgound sim -> making people feel rewarded for what they are doing (baseline of the grind discussion), have never been their strength.
So lets hope it gets someday better after the n'th iteration and reworking the mission system.

 

[MorsVenit]

I think it's time Frontier added cash bundles to the store. I not ready to quit yet, but FD does need to respect people's time better than they have shown since the promises of less grind back in 2.4. I can only see this bringing more players in and more money to FD to work harder on core issues and maybe hire some better creative people who understand how games should work.

Oh you cannot be serious???

Facepalm

 

[AgentK]

I think the missions in particular are in a sorry state right now.

Way too many wing missions, wing mission rewards out of alignment, removed missions due to bugs / exploits, C&P punishing players for taking on certain missions etc...

It's just a bit of a mess atm. I'm hoping FD sort this out.

You know you can still complete a wing mission on your own right?

 

[GunnerBill]

I’d ask for your suff but you probably haven’t been able to afford anything decent!

 

[Red Fox Four]

Planetary scans are a joke with getting a bounty and not being able to clear it without a 100ly trip.

 

[GG7]

This was addressed yesterday morning, there do seem to be a lot less according to posts of others (I haven't logged in since 3.03 dropped yet to say for myself).

The overabundance of wing missions at "some" stations/outposts has been an ongoing issue since Beta 2. Fortunately, the problem doesn't impact every system across the board, so you can still find plenty of locations where the mission board is more balanced. My usual area of Imperial Space falls into the latter category at the moment and mission offerings have been relatively decent.

As for the topic of this thread... Sounds like burn out to me. Caused by a singular focus into one specific aspect of the game with no alternative gameplay choices on the table.

If you play the game like that, you will definitely hit the wall a lot quicker than most.

 

[Aashenfox]

Oh you cannot be serious???

Facepalm

Of course I'm serious, facepalm yourself. Another one that doesn't understand how games thrive and succeed.

Many more players would make it out of the first month, who don't currently, if they could skip the early credit grind to get an asp by buying 10m credits on the store for 15 euro or something. The reviews that the game is totally unaccessible would stop, because people would finally have a choice. In games that sell gold, I buy very occasionally. It doesn't have the negative effect that knee jerkers believe. Step back and try not to be so triggered.

The point here is that credits aren't content (in elite), but having some enables you to enjoy more of the content.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Oh you cannot be serious???

Facepalm

i wish FD had stuck to their guns with their kickstarter suggestion. I applaud them for trying to listen to the players but despite their best efforts in this case imo they were wrong.

ED was meant to have EVERYTHING unlockagle in game but sell credits on the store for those who wanted to fast track.

Just think of the gameplay if i could do ingame "stuff" to get people to paint my ships, or i could find parts of ship kits off wrecks etc. i am not bothered about ship skins because i have no bond with them if i didnt earn them in game.

OTOH had FD of sold credits they would have had a proper incentive to stop exploits etc. of course a LOT of trust is needed on the devs not to turn ED into a F2P type game.... but, personally i miss earning cosmetic stuff in game so i would prefer it myself.

i know many disagree.

I do think that ship has sailed now tho and it can never happen, money is no object, and FD will never put all the store stuff in game for free.

imo this is the 1 think the guys over at CIG / RSI or what ever they are called have gotten right with star citizen. Everything earnable ingame but currency purchasable.

 

[verminstar]

If there was money to buy in the store, Id buy it...the alternative being another 3 months of grind to outfit the ship I spent 3 months grinding for...my cup floweth over...

 

[Mengy]

I think it's time Frontier added cash bundles to the store. I not ready to quit yet, but FD does need to respect people's time better than they have shown since the promises of less grind back in 2.4. I can only see this bringing more players in and more money to FD to work harder on core issues and maybe hire some better creative people who understand how games should work.

No, that is a terrible idea. Frontier should simply balance their game to be rewarding to play. Mission payouts are currently all over the place and many missions are riddled with bugs, but sidestepping the issue by selling credits in the store doesn’t solve anything.

The OP’s sentiment has merit, and it’s not hard to understand why someone might feel that way about the game today. I wish I could understand why everytime Frontier fixes one bug they create another somewhere else. The updates often feel like Frontier is playing Wack-a-Mole with the bug reports. The game code must truly be a mess, or they just don’t have sufficient controls in place for a project this large. It’s frustrating for us players, but man it must be really frustrating for the devs too.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Of course I'm serious, facepalm yourself. Another one that doesn't understand how games thrive and succeed.

Many more players would make it out of the first month, who don't currently, if they could skip the early credit grind to get an asp by buying 10m credits on the store for 15 euro or something. The reviews that the game is totally unaccessible would stop, because people would finally have a choice. In games that sell gold, I buy very occasionally. It doesn't have the negative effect that knee jerkers believe. Step back and try not to be so triggered.

The point here is that credits aren't content (in elite), but having some enables you to enjoy more of the content.

Instead we'd have complaints about P2W and MTX greed and intentional tweaking of game mechanics to fuel store sales. Not a great alternative.

 

[Valorin]

So I gonna leave for a different game too...
...and then play some Elite again. And then... I leave for _another_ different game because sometimes I like to shoot things in an FPS. And then, believe it or not, I play Elite again.

And I always thought that was normal and not some special superpower! But here on the forum I learned, that so many people quit a game to play another. Like, you know, a relationship or so. I feel so privileged right now...

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

So I gonna leave for a different game too...
...and then play some Elite again. And then... I leave for _another_ different game because sometimes I like to shoot things in an FPS. And then, believe it or not, I play Elite again.

And I always thought that was normal and not some special superpower! But here on the forum I learned, that so many people quit a game to play another. Like, you know, a relationship or so. I feel so privileged right now...

It is almost like...having other games...and hobbies...and real life...makes Elite not a grind, but actual game to enjoy!

Shocking! You heard it here first!

 

[Jukelo]

Oh you cannot be serious???

Facepalm

I think it's time Frontier added cash bundles to the store. I not ready to quit yet, but FD does need to respect people's time better than they have shown since the promises of less grind back in 2.4. I can only see this bringing more players in and more money to FD to work harder on core issues and maybe hire some better creative people who understand how games should work.

You know as much as I dislike the principle of it, I'd still welcome it. As it stands Frontier are trying to balance progression for all kinds of different people, and they're failing at it.
Letting people buy credits and ranks in the store would allow them to focus on setting the pace of progression as they meant to initially (that is, back to 2015 levels), and then offer the option of fast-tracking for those who can't bear it.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You know as much as I dislike the principle of it, I'd still welcome it. As it stands Frontier are trying to balance progression for all kinds of different people, and they're failing at it.
Letting people buy credits and ranks in the store would allow them to focus on setting the pace of progression as they meant to initially (that is, back to 2015 levels), and then offer the option of fast-tracking for those who can't bear it.

It won't help unless they also include material packs and I can see how this all would be regarded as a ripoff by many players.

 

[Gun Star]

I work out of Gende and I'm seeing all types of missions. Single and wing. All decent paying. I must be one of the lucky ones. Last night I did a bunch of assassination missions and a couple of planetary scans. Made about 25 mil for a little less than a hours work.

What is considered good pay is subjective. Some people also need to look at the state of the system they work in. If you are not seeing missions you like move to another system.

 

[gooddoc]

So OP, you come on the forum & whine like a b***h about it? No one cares!

My ignore list gets longer by the day!

 

[Stealthie]

I work out of Gende and I'm seeing all types of missions. Single and wing. All decent paying. I must be one of the lucky ones. Last night I did a bunch of assassination missions and a couple of planetary scans. Made about 25 mil for a little less than a hours work.

What is considered good pay is subjective. Some people also need to look at the state of the system they work in. If you are not seeing missions you like move to another system.

Terrific.

That'd be a lot easier if the Galmap didn't cause the game to crash, thus forcing me to stumble blindly from one system to another, one jump at a time.

No one cares!

That assertion would have some shred of credibility if it wasn't in a thread where at least half of the posters agree with the OP.

 

[Majic-12]

Many more players would make it out of the first month, who don't currently, if they could skip the early credit grind to get an asp by buying 10m credits on the store for 15 euro or something. The reviews that the game is totally unaccessible would stop, because people would finally have a choice. In games that sell gold, I buy very occasionally. It doesn't have the negative effect that knee jerkers believe. Step back and try not to be so triggered.

The point here is that credits aren't content (in elite), but having some enables you to enjoy more of the content.

Alternatively, Frontier could improve the new player experience, smooth out the learning cliff and make the early game less of a slog.

If people feel compelled to pay money to bypass parts of a game, money isn't the problem.

 

[Ashnak]

...early credit grind to get an asp by buying 10m credits on the store...

Making 10 m credits? Early on in the game? Are you serious?

Ok, for one thing, it'll cost you closer to ~20 Mil to get an Asp halfway decently equipped, but that's besides the point.
But honestly:
- find a boom system within your jump range
- rank up with the local factions through low level delivery missions (report or small cargo)
- that should give you access to reasonably well paid and easily stackable delivery missions, so 100 k per run isn't unreasonable
- 20 runs (which, honestly, you'll need anyways just to get comfortable with maneuvering and docking), and you should have 2 M cash available
- outfit your Sidey/Hauler/Adder with ADS and DSS
- scan 20 systems on the RtR route
=> you got your 10 M

Even better: do the RtR route to the Pleiades, get the Alloy, unlock Felicity. RtR to the Pleiades should yield ~30 MCr.

If you are a new player and don't want to do that on your own, just drop a couple of lines in the Newcomer's forum or the Galactic Academy. Setting you (you know what I mean...) up with 10 M through one or two wing cargo missions won't be a problem. It won't solve anything with regards to the game's accessibility, either, but I'm paying more than that to that lazy bum in the crew quarters.

The reviews that the game is totally unaccessible would stop

I don't think so. I could even make a case for the opposite point. Starting with 10 M and buying an Asp would lead to even more reviews about the game being inaccessible -the learning curve wouldn't get any less steep with that Asp, but you would crash much harder when you get that Asp shot out under you and realize that you perhaps should have kept the money for the rebuy. Or when, after the fourth rebuy, you simply don't have that money any more.
The perceived inaccessibility is due to ED's learning curve - ED simply is not a game you walk in and stay victorious in every challenge.