Grind - can we solve the problem?

.........The only reason you appear to hang around like a bad smell is to be purely antagonist, adding nothing to a discussion. While simultaneously looking down on others for having a different experience and view point.

You know me too well :D :D

Oh, you weren't talking about me! aww :(
 
What you are is insulting, rude and disgusting. The only reason you appear to hang around like a bad smell is to be purely antagonist, adding nothing to a discussion. While simultaneously looking down on others for having a different experience and view point.

It's OK for me to disagree, it's no problem forum working as intended like USS's.

Whereas your attempts at getting personal are simply because you can't think up a coherent argument. So why don't you try again, this time try to post about the topic.

That is his intention, to bait people in a flame session to prove his macho-ness, and shutdown a discussion that may cut the number of such threads occurring on the forum. Id say he was shooting himself in the foot, but really he enjoys this more than the game by the looks of it.

Conspiracy theories (whilst hilarious) don't really help you prove your point.
 
This a thousand times with chocolate syrup on top. Elite Dangerous isn't the story-driven space epic that lots of people want it to be, and so lots of people are disappointed.

If you are looking for a modern Freelancer equivalent, then (sadly) you need to look elsewhere. Elite Dangerous cannot be everything to everyone.

P.S. That's not to say that ED cannot be improved. It still has huge scope for improvements (without turning it into a completely different game), but I'm not so sure they would make the unhappy players any happier.

There are stacks of quality mods for freespace2 if you ever need a hit of space campaigning, which I think is freeware now.
 
No, you didn't have to do it that way, it was just the easiest and quickest way to go about it. That was your choice to go about it in that way.
Congratulations: You have just discovered that people can force themselves to do unfun unenjoyable things in something called a "game". Now proceed to bash your head against the wall 100 times at the collective foolishness of the human race.
 
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Meh, put him on ignore so i can only see his nonsensical "game isn't a grind dudes, the hell you talking 'bout" when he's quoted. Just because he cant perceive it or care, does not mean others are not allowed, or to not allowed to share their criticisms or frustrations.
 
This so much. Supercruise could be at least 2x-3x the speed.
No no no. That's nearly as bad as suggesting FDev add an auto-pilot. (We'd loose the sense of scale & vast distances, something that Elite 1 & especially 2 had in spades.)

The solution to fixing Super Snooze is not to get rid of it (or automate it), but rather to make the actual experience of it more fun & engaging. Add interesting events & (optional) activities to it. It might conflict with FDev's hand-waving theory that explains Super Cruise, but enjoyment should trump realism (like they scrapped Newtonian flight physics).
 
Meh, put him on ignore so i can only see his nonsensical "game isn't a grind dudes, the hell you talking 'bout" when he's quoted. Just because he cant perceive it or care, does not mean others are not allowed, or to not allowed to share their criticisms or frustrations.

That's not how ignoring is supposed to work. Someone PM him and tell him he's doing it wrong.
 
Grind is not an issue in any game, if the immersion and mechanics are fun.

Progression and Grind are the same thing, except one is fun and engaging, the other is repetitive and boring.

What FD failed to do was create progression, instead they created grind.
I'm not so sure about a lack of progression. Since 3.0 I've been flying through Federation & Empire ranks (and reputation). To be honest, even as a casual player it feels too fast now, and I worry what I'll have left to do when I get to the end...

Credits may also be easier to gain than before, but I've been choosing Reputation rewards for missions...
 
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I was talking to you, not about. Ive put him on ignore so i don't have to deal with his pointless angsty bull.

Yea I'm pretty sure he's on a lot of lists, I wonder how few people actually see his posts at this point.

I feel like this thread is digressing, as they tend to, away from the original aim of brainstorming ideas that can reduce the grind/manifest it in more creative and enjoyable gameplay loops. This is why nothing ever progresses on this forum. No matter how specific you make the OP and how much you ask people to refrain from making the same stock responses there are still those that have to do it. There's no value in one person saying the grind is great and another saying it's horrendous. My intention was to accept the opposing views and establish whether there could be a compromise that would suit both sides of the grind divide.

You're right, you did a good job of keeping the OP focused and you're doing a good job now of tryna get it back on track.
Maybe update OP with any good suggestions made, so people don't have to dig through the mountain of distraction.
Respond to those willing to stay on topic and ignore the rest.
 
I'm not so sure about a lack of progression. Since 3.0 I've been flying through Federation & Empire ranks (and reputation). To be honest, even as a casual player it feels too fast now, and I worry what I'll have left to do when I get to the end...

Credits may also be easier to gain than before, but I've been choosing Reputation rewards for missions...

You'll fly a cutter or corvette for a while then mothball it equip a smaller ship just for fun and only do what you enjoy. That's the endgame.

Yea I'm pretty sure he's on a lot of lists, I wonder how few people actually see his posts at this point.

Am I on yours yet ?.
 
I'm not so sure about a lack of progression. Since 3.0 I've been flying through Federation & Empire ranks (and reputation). To be honest, even as a casual player it feels too fast now, and I worry what I'll have left to do when I get to the end...

Credits may also be easier to gain than before, but I've been choosing Reputation rewards for missions...

I think you've misunderstood him. He's saying that the progression feels like a grind because its not fun and engaging.
 
The grind is intentional. There is no solving it. The grind is mindless busy work.
If it was stripped away or streamlined, most players would realize how bare bones the game is and probably quit.

I agree the grind is intentional on Frontier's end, Sandro has pretty much said this. And I'm not against grinds being in the game, I just wish they would go about implementing better grinds with more interactive mechanics and diversity. Having to do the Guardian Orb event 24 times to unlock stuff at the tech brokers is just lazy design, and there are a number of fairly easy ways to make that much more engaging. I just wish Frontier would make the effort to do so.
 
Until everyone agrees on the definition of the word, or at least agree that it isn't a matter of people deluding themselves and stop misrepresenting the issue, we can't even begin to solve it.

There are people who grind, and there are people who don't. It's as simple as that. It's a choice you make, not the game.

No, because you, and your expectations, are the problem.

The broader player base wants Halo in Space. Pass thanks.

Too often, the players who are complaining that the game is boring and grindy are the ones who are deliberately choosing the most boring and grindy gameplay because it's the latest exploit.

Can't begin. /thread
 
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I think you've misunderstood him. He's saying that the progression feels like a grind because its not fun and engaging.
You could be right! (blushes)

Although in that case I don't understand how he differentiates between "progression" & "grind".

My definition of "grind" is doing something with little to no visible progression (as well as those actions requiring little or no thought beyond muscle memory).
 
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Upgrading a whole fleet to 3.0 engineering standards is spirit breakingly terrible for the stupendous amounts of material required.
Why on earth would you upgrade your whole fleet at once? Just upgrade the ship you're flying. Clearly, engineers are intended to used be occasionally, after you've gathered some materials as part of playing the game.

Trying to do this all at once is self-inflicted grinding. Just go play the game and have some fun.
 

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Why on earth would you upgrade your whole fleet at once? Just upgrade the ship you're flying. Clearly, engineers are intended to used be occasionally, after you've gathered some materials as part of playing the game.

Trying to do this all at once is self-inflicted grinding. Just go play the game and have some fun.

It is pretty simple why they do it - it is because they are absolutely terrified that someone in the game might have a better ship than them, whether it can jump further, have a higher DPS or shields - well whatever. And once they do get the ship of their dreams, they jump onto the forums to boast about how great their ship is, only to have someone tell them it isn't. So they go out again, trying to have the best of the best, never realising that there will always be someone with a better ship than they have.
 
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It is pretty simple why they do it - it is because they are absolutely terrified that someone in the game might have a better ship than them, whether it can jump further, have a higher DPS or shields - well whatever. And once they do get the ship of their dreams, they jump onto the forums to boast about how great their ship is, only to have someone tell them it isn't. So they go out again, trying to have the best of the best, never realising that there will always be someone with a better ship than they have.

So what you are saying is that there is someone to blame - the first guy who had the best possible thing. The Prime Grinder. And now everyone is following his footsteps, trying to be as good?
Awful.

#grindismisevil
 
It is pretty simple why they do it - it is because they are absolutely terrified that someone in the game might have a better ship than them, whether it can jump further, have a higher DPS or shields - well whatever. And once they do get the ship of their dreams, they jump onto the forums to boast about how great their ship is, only to have someone tell them it isn't. So they go out again, trying to have the best of the best, never realising that there will always be someone with a better ship than they have.

One of the cleverest things in the new and improved engineers is the upgrade cap, it means even crazy grinding has a built in end. That and being able to switch experimental effects whilst keeping the base upgrade, and the mat traders.
 
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