I think I've realised what the problem with ED is.. Braben has lost interest and moved on?

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In any type of business this would construe a monumental breach of "misselling" laws - and anyone who is OK with waiting until the rest of the gaming world "catches up technologically" with them deserves what they get - which will be the absolute definition of the prank "a long weight / wait" (google it).

"I'm sorry sir - I can't provide you with your meal until everyone else eating chinese food in the city has learned how to use chopsticks." (and you're not in China or Japan)

That's basically what you just said EdzUp.

Atmospheric landings, and the very visible lack thereof, has been one of those things that FDev has had it's nose rubbed in time and time again.

ANY developer worth a damn would have made some sort of statement about it by now - 3 years since launch and counting.

If the marketing team has told them to keep a lid on it so they can go "TADAA!!!! - look atmospheric landings" in some big reveal, they will surely be deflated when all a good portion of the community does is go "ABOUT FFFING TIME!!!" (before tearing the halfbaked work to shreds).

Lack of atmospheric landings is also the basis for my refund case (backed during KS, not played since a few hours in alpha testing - still waiting for what I paid for before I do, UK selling laws don't ask me to explain) - FDev refused and actually used the words "it's coming"**, trading standards decided to take up the case for me - they don't do that unless they think there is a very real case to answer. Feel free to make up your own minds on how that reflects on FDev.

** so is the end of the universe - fancy waiting with me?

Is it also okay to make up my mind about how this reflects on someone who demands a refund for a game, is bitterly vitriolic about it for years while not even having tried in once after release at all?

Sure dont sound healthy to me...
 
He spent some time discussing ship boarding mechanics with my (then 12) son at the Elite launch party.

...and I can imagine the outcome once it's come through the design team... The wannabe boarder points at the target ship... Holds a button... And meanwhile, the CMDR on the other ship? They hold a button... There's some really slick graphics and audio...

It'll be epic!

A month later, no one is using it.


We're basically four years in and core roles have hardly progressed at all. If we ever get first person, it will be so shallow and simplistic I seriously doubt it will be worth the development time spent on it (ie: Like CQC, Generation Ships, Multicrew etc).

Can you really look at the last four years of progress and see the quantum jump necessary actually happening to deliver first person of any note?

I recall plenty of things Braben mentioned at Kickstarter, far more simple and core and fundamental in nature to the game. None of which we have yet.
 
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Avago Earo

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Well I certainly seem to have sparked a lively debate :D

Just like George Orwell ( signature noted).

Or his other work: 'Some games are more equal than others'. This is in reference to posters that criticise people for criticising ED, then go on the SC thread to criticise SC.
 
I recall plenty of things Braben mentioned at Kickstarter, far more simple and core and fundamental in nature to the game. None of which we have yet.

And by the way development is conducted so far, we will never have.
 
I wanna eat a shmoo

Just thought that was as relevant of a comment as some of the c*rap that's been posted.

Still wanna a shmoo on toast though.

V2k.
 
Hear me out..

If we consider the hype around ED way back during KS and the resulting videos and dev diaries David Braben was all over it. He created a real buzz with his enthusiasm and energy which can really be seen if you watch the dev diaries and so on..

https://youtu.be/9612CgOr3lE

Over time his appearances and communications have gotten less and less to the point where he only appears in a yearly Christmas stream..

Whilst I'm sure David has lots of things to do as CEO its worth remembering that he is the 'Game Director' for ED.

He no longer talks about the game, and presumably is no longer involved or interested.. Come to think of it no one really hears from him at all these days. Whilst I really don't like Michael Brookes, he has moved on too, and we hear nothing from him either.

The only real sort of information that comes from FD these days is via Sandro and Ed Lewis.
Whenever we talk about the problems of ED we are told being 'lead designer' doesn't really mean things are his call, there is another designer above him who never appears or talks about the game..

We are also told from time to time that 'there are more people working on ED than ever'. Yet we are never told how many developers are working on the game.

Considering David is meant to be the 'Game Director', how come we never hear from him anymore?

Just wondering whats going on?

Well.

He is not anymore the major shareholder of the company although he has been very smart in what he did (honest appreciation here).

That Ed is on a survival state it's quite clear considering how crapped were the realeses of horizon and how it lasted.

3.0 add almost nothing about new mechanics: if you pay attention, it's seems they are continuosly working on something they have already there than adding new feature(s) or game mechanics (the new missions are nothing more then the old missions with different target).

The new project (jurassic) it's probably draining most of the resources just now.

It's clear to me no earth like planets will come as well no space legs.

Would have known that before than throwing my moneys on a Lep...
 

Rafe Zetter

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Personally I don't think DB has "lost interest" he's just got other things on his plate right now and being a boss is having the ability to delegate. He get's the monthly development letter so he know's what's going on and if he's needed he'll be called upon by the Elite Massiv.

Right now he's probably building a theme park in the middle of the diplodactus enclosure with a picnic bench just off to the left with a nice cafe on the otherside just off the path that winds through to the t-rex enclosure.

I could be wrong though.

V2k.

ordinarily I would agree - but as we have seen from Chris Roberts - you CAN still get in front of a camera or make a personal statement about how "your baby" is developing IF you have the desire for it.

I very much doubt that all of his time is taken up as we might think - as you say - delegation being a viable option to free yourself for more time to do certain activities, plenty of world famous CEO's have done this - Bill Gates and Steve Job's to name just two of the most prominent - and both of those had one major thing in common, they had the deep desire to "get into the nuts and bolts of a project" - it was how they started out and that desire normally never dies.

As I said in my post about passion - if you truly want to pursue it, or devote more time to talking and promoting something, you'll find a way. Desire for something is hard to supress or hide from view- a lack of desire equally so.

I'm not saying he's given up as I have no knowledge either way, but apart from extremely rare occasions - usually promotions with the world watching, DB is pretty quiet about a lot of things regarding ED, when there is still much to discuss.
 

Rafe Zetter

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Is there an internet award for the forum with the most neurotic and angst-filled posters with much, too much, time on their hands?
I have a candidate...

Is it me? Please be me - I've never been a candidate for anything before, it must be great to get recognition for something, ANYTHING.

Do I get a prize? Can I make a speech? I've got a pretty dress and everything.
 

Rafe Zetter

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I haven't seen any demands for a perfect title, just players who care enough about Elite: Dangerous to speak up about what bothers them. Well, that and more than a little projection in the case of ascribing motives and behaviors to people they know little about.

Many players care so much about the game and so deeply fear it dying on the vine or being butchered into something they despise that their fears tend to be expressed strongly and perhaps not as rationally as they would if they were not so invested in its success.

This (and guilty as charged m'lud)

As for a sow that can lay eggs, give milk and produce wool, I'm afraid such technology has yet to make its debut in English-speaking countries.

Gotta love the germans for thier vorsprung durch tecnik (did I spell it right?)

(I can say it russian too)
 
I did not read this thread, only OP, so it may be already said:

David Braben has higher responsibilities than to care all the time about E: D. He is responsible for the general wealth of his company and all the employees, so thats what he has to do: look for new income and let Frontier Development prosper.

Doing this is his main responsibility and doing this is what Elite Dangerous needs!
 
FDev moves too little and too slowly on Elite for my liking, but it's hard to moan about that when the original timeframe was 10 years. We're only 3.5 years into the game development timeframe at the moment.
 
Guess only DBOBE can really answer the OP.

However speaking from my own experience with train simming, it is not unusual for me to build a route in one of the sims - often a personal favourite - share with the community on completion... then never drive it myself again.
 
Hooray! Cosmos is back with the usual veiled insults towards Braben/Fdev.
Alas without the usual Steam-stats to prove no one is playing this game anymore.

One could almost be persuaded to believe Cosmos is going by the name 'Ian' in real life..

Anyway, what do you want from us? Would you have us all chant how evil David Braben and his Church of Frontier is?

Alternatively, just lay down what is wrong with the game here in your opinion, and what might be solutions. That would be a way better use of your time. And presumably those reading this.

There's no insult in his post, he just said David seemed disconnected from the development of the game.

I fail to see how that's insulting. I agree with his post. We barely hear from David Braben vision or see him talk about the game anymore.
 
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