FDL, needing a little advice from seasoned Cmdr's

[Stigbob]

Yea ive got g3 dirty drags in at the moment...

Ive not been playing long so i was worried about the thermal vents and not hitting my target...

With my beam setup at the moment ive not had any overheating problems even taking on 3 wing deadly/elites

It's trial and error I find, whatever works for you. I engineered the vent beams whilst practicing with rails and a G5DD and needing to keep the heat down, I kept them ever since as I like the red colour.

For BH'ing I stick the beams and KWS in the first slot so I can scan whilst taking out shields, then switch to second group adding the MC to the lasers and whatever fun weps I have as the secondary's, nice simple two group setup.

 

[verbz]

If you want to have real fun with the FdL, forget the multi purpose stuff. All that's doing is watering down the ship's potential. Outfit that beast with 5x Efficient Phasing PA's, run either a light or a heavy weight build depending on your skill level, and go make stuff melt. No srv hanger, no extra fuel tank, no ksw or wake scanner--only stuff that pertains to dealing death. That's when the FdL truly begins to shine.

Go forth and slaughter the NPC's my friend.

Hmmm full burst build, i was rocking dual PA's on my vulture and it was quite nice...

Have you had experience running full pas on it before, hows the heat management with it dude

 

[Stigbob]

If you want to have real fun with the FdL, forget the multi purpose stuff. All that's doing is watering down the ship's potential. Outfit that beast with 5x Efficient Phasing PA's, run either a light or a heavy weight build depending on your skill level, and go make stuff melt. No srv hanger, no extra fuel tank, no ksw or wake scanner--only stuff that pertains to dealing death. That's when the FdL truly begins to shine.

Go forth and slaughter the NPC's my friend.

Can confirm that's fun.

 

[lenna]

For PVE it would be fine but I'd go with more boosters and a KWS, remember the NPC's are all supposed to be pushovers Jason. You are slipping off script.

I would not say the NPCs are push-overs, but they are not OP builds either.

If I want to shift it more towards combat, I am not entirely sure what changes I would make precisely (suck it and see - numerous factors in play) - I have been considering changing it to an AX/Guardian focused ship when I have eventually unlocked the relevant kit (four well positioned medium HPs - for fixed/gimballed weapons - are tempting). I have other ships I prefer for normal combat though.

 

[verbz]

It's trial and error I find, whatever works for you. I engineered the vent beams whilst practicing with rails and a G5DD and needing to keep the heat down, I kept them ever since as I like the red colour.

For BH'ing I stick the beams and KWS in the first slot so I can scan whilst taking out shields, then switch to second group adding the MC to the lasers and whatever fun weps I have as the secondary's, nice simple two group setup.

I bought the green color for my guns because it reminds me of lukes lightsabre in rotj lol

Ive got all beams and mc on 1 trigger and kws on the other at the moment, was thinking about whether to swap out a beam or 2 later down the line.

 

[Stigbob]

Hmmm full burst build, i was rocking dual PA's on my vulture and it was quite nice...

Have you had experience running full pas on it before, hows the heat management with it dude

I found it a bit toasty, swapped 2 railguns in and use them whenever overheating. That's awkward though as you lead the PA's and don't lead the rails, so you get less oomph.

 

[Falter]

It is good enough for PvE (after some engineering - not included in the link) and it's primary role at the moment is material gathering hence the Wake scanner and SRV - your opinions of my builds are moot, and your critique is neither solicited nor appropriate to the matter at hand.

Critiques [on builds] are not appropriate?
Well then...

I am with Jason on this though, in no way is that build good advice for a player asking for FDL fits.
The build you linked is very non-sensical, and being offended by someone critiquing you or giving a contrary opinion to your inefficient build, is a bit -
I don't think I know the polite word for that, to be honest.

Either way..sorry to say, but critiques on a build thread, are always appropriate. Especially if you go out of your way to volunteer your build.
I think some of the PVE players here fail to realize that a PVE fit, is a PVP fit.
There really isn't much of a difference between the two.

Now, mindsets - well, that's a whole other shebang.

 

[tolm]

I’ve finished engineering my FDL and have something pretty similar to the OP by the sounds of it. I use it for general RES hunting and may branch out into assassinate missions - either Solo or in a Private Group with my son. It looks something like this:

- 5A PP with G1 Low Emissions plus Thermal Spread (0.27 heat ratio)
- 5A Thrusters with G3 Dirty Drives plus Drag Drives (380 top speed/512 boost)
- 4A FSD with G5 Long Range and Mass Optimised (circa 20LY jump range which makes it just about bearable!)
- 5C Bi-Weave Shield Gen with G5 Thermal Resistant plus Multi Weave (1055MJ and 42/60/60 resists inc. below boosters)
- 2x 0A Shield Boosters with G3 Heavy Duty
- 2x 0A Shield Boosters with G3 Thermal Resistant
- 2x 0A Shield Boosters with G3 Resistance Augmented
- 4x 2D Gimballed Beam Lasers with G3 Efficient and Flow Control
- 4A Gimballed MultiCannon with G4 Rapid Fire and Stripped Down
- 6A Power Distributor with G3 Weapons Focused and Super Capacitors (for insane levels of continuous beam firing!)
- 4C Fuel Tank (cause, you know, the built in one sucks!)
- 4C Fuel Scoop
- 2D HRP (might become a FSD Interdictor soon ...)

The Flow Control on the beams gets power usage down enough that I can run everything bar my Fuel Scoop (which is on priority 3 along with my docking computer) with the G1 Low Emissions mod on my PP, so everything is nice and cool. I was gonna go with that on the MultiCannon as well but it didn’t really make much of a dent in overall power use so I went for lightness to get that extra little 1/3ly out of my FSD range! Considered Auto Loader as well but didn’t have the materials for it and had had more than enough of that due to .... Shield engineering! This was a pain for materials gathering (had to disable my MultiCannon in order to run limpets!) but sooooo worth it. Getting the Thermal Resist from -20% to +60% was nothing short of astonishing in terms of being able to face down just about anything: ‘Condas, Cutters ... the extra 200MJ from the heavy duty boosters was nice but if I had to prioritise anything it would be the Thermal Resist improvements. The 2 Resist Augmented boosters bring the kinetic Resist back up to 40% so negate the side effects of the Thermal Resist generator and boosters. They do use more power, though, otherwise I might have just done 4 of them ...

I’m very happy with that for what I use it for and - even with my average skills - I can now take on Master+ Cutters and FDLs in HAZRES situations without having to run. For me, that’s more than enough!

 

[biohazard15]

If you want to have real fun with the FdL, forget the multi purpose stuff. All that's doing is watering down the ship's potential. Outfit that beast with 5x Efficient Phasing PA's, run either a light or a heavy weight build depending on your skill level, and go make stuff melt. No srv hanger, no extra fuel tank, no ksw or wake scanner--only stuff that pertains to dealing death. That's when the FdL truly begins to shine.

Go forth and slaughter the NPC's my friend.

Can confirm that's fun.

Fun...

...And totally useless for anything except assassination missions due to low ammo reserves.

 

[lenna]

....

JB was out of line and IMO so are you but let's not re-tread that particular ground - the topic in question is the OP asking for people's ideas, not bashing each other's suggestions (and Jason was just bashing - not answering the OP's question). It is up to the OP to decide if any given suggestions are relevant or not.

 

[jasonbarron]

Hmmm full burst build, i was rocking dual PA's on my vulture and it was quite nice...

Have you had experience running full pas on it before, hows the heat management with it dude

I always recommend fully engineering all the parts and pieces to the max, so it's important to have a g5 Charge Enhanced Distributor. With all of the PA's modded at maxed out g5 Efficient the heat is totally manageable. And dear lord does it hit hard; being on the receiving end is like being tied to the business end of a Korean Anti-Aircraft gun. As I don't believe in farming NPC's, I'm all about the orbital strike.

 

[jasonbarron]

I found it a bit toasty, swapped 2 railguns in and use them whenever overheating. That's awkward though as you lead the PA's and don't lead the rails, so you get less oomph.

The 3x PA/2x Rail build is another great way to go for taking down shields and sniping modules. It's actually the better all rounder tbh, it's just that the shear devastation caused by the 5x PA's working together is sooo much fun that I can't stop myself. I also have a 3x PA/2x Packhound build when I know that I'm going after a hull tank.

 

[jasonbarron]

Fun...

...And totally useless for anything except assassination missions due to low ammo reserves.

Useless for "farming" I agree, but then again, I consider the skills/training gained from farming to be literally worse than useless so I never do that anymore.

 

[Falter]

JB was out of line and IMO so are you but let's not re-tread that particular ground - the topic in question is the OP asking for people's ideas, not bashing each other's suggestions (and Jason was just bashing - not answering the OP's question). It is up to the OP to decide if any given suggestions are relevant or not.

Out of line?
Oh ho..now that's funny.

I'm a bit keen here to say something along the lines of you're sounding a bit pretentious and haughty maam...but, I'll leave it up to you to determine the words most aptly fitting of your own "behavior."
I will chime in with this though...

If you are offering advice to a newer player, with a "nominal" build, as someone speaking from an "authority" of knowledge..and you offer that 'Build' as advice..
Sorry to say, but that doesn't lend your belittling any credence, nor your build any merit as it's not nominal - in fact it's sub-nominal - though, in all fairness, I would go so far as to say it isn't even the slightest bit optimal for PVE OR PVP.

While, I am sure the reality and critiques may have offended you. They are in no way, untrue or unwarranted.
Your incessant arguing though, is.
But, that of course is besides the point.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

JB was out of line and IMO so are you but let's not re-tread that particular ground - the topic in question is the OP asking for people's ideas, not bashing each other's suggestions (and Jason was just bashing - not answering the OP's question). It is up to the OP to decide if any given suggestions are relevant or not.

You're being ridiculous. If the OP was looking for input on air combat, who should they ask? The F-15 Eagle Drivers with over 2000 hours in the cockpit or the rookie RC airplane hobbyist wondering why their toy won't take off?

Same principle here. You were giving the OP terrible advice. There's lots of folks who know what the FDL is about and they rightfully chimed in. Don't be sad you're not one of them - choose to learn and get better instead!

 

[jasonbarron]

It's kind of weird that I've never once seen you ingame before, Phisto, and then randomly encountered you in Kuk last night. I loved seeing all those Flechette Launchers btw

 

[verbz]

As rlsg said earlier, its my post and i choose what i want to do with any advice given.

I do think it was rude and out of order the way he was bashed on, if you thought his build was bad there was a better way around it like giving him advice in the process rather than been a bunch of elitistjerks.... a bit of common decency and decorum goes a long way...

At no point did he say in his reply "here this is the best build" it was simply stated here this is something i use... and im appreciative for any and all replies to my posts whether they are deemed good or not, after a good lengthy discussion i can get to make my own mind up at the end of it,

Yet what do i see, a couple of people who wanna pipe up and get toxic yet add nothing to my op, this is something thats not wanted yet you feel it neccessary to ruin my post..

 

[verbz]

And at least jb added some useful stuff,

You 2 just wanted to pop in here and bash on someone.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I have billions of credits, a large fleet of fully engineered ships, and many, many hours in game.
I agree with Jason and Falter, and would consider their input quite valuable if I needed help on a build.

Is the *perceived* tone, or the content more important to you?
Only you can decide.

 

[jasonbarron]

As rlsg said earlier, its my post and i choose what i want to do with any advice given.

I do think it was rude and out of order the way he was bashed on, if you thought his build was bad there was a better way around it like giving him advice in the process rather than been a bunch of elitistjerks.... a bit of common decency and decorum goes a long way...

At no point did he say in his reply "here this is the best build" it was simply stated here this is something i use... and im appreciative for any and all replies to my posts whether they are deemed good or not, after a good lengthy discussion i can get to make my own mind up at the end of it,

Yet what do i see, a couple of people who wanna pipe up and get toxic yet add nothing to my op, this is something thats not wanted yet you feel it neccessary to ruin my post..

Do you want help or not? The person you're defending is advising you down the path to utter mediocrity (actually, I don't even think the given advice would qualify as mediocre) and has a long and storied career running her opinion on the topic of PvP combat in literally every thread where it comes up. Which is why I was so surprised when I saw this persons build. Ignore the forum point scoring and just focus on what matters here: you want advice on a good build(s) and on how to properly fly them.