Loitered at pad (talking to wife) couldn’t escape, destroyed,my 800 credit Trespass accident =$450K

[Ghostflux]

Well there has to be some kind of consequence in game.

Sure, consequence is important. But the consequences should fit the nature of the action. Honest mistakes are punished by death and are often communicated far too late. While real acts of griefing go mostly unhindered.

Trespassing is a good example, it is a violation that nets you a fine. But passengers treat it like it's a crime, not a violation. Getting stuck in the mailslots or somewhere within the station is punishable by death, even though you may not always be able to prevent it.

Worst thing about this is the reputation system, do a 100 things right and you can barely scrape by with an allied status. Do 1 thing wrong and you're immediately dropped in status, with no regard for your previous actions.

 

[AzraelDirge]

Sure, consequence is important. But the consequences should fit the nature of the action. Honest mistakes are punished by death and are often communicated far too late. While real acts of griefing go mostly unhindered.

Trespassing is a good example, it is a violation that nets you a fine. But passengers treat it like it's a crime, not a violation. Getting stuck in the mailslots or somewhere within the station is punishable by death, even though you may not always be able to prevent it.

Worst thing about this is the reputation system, do a 100 things right and you can barely scrape by with an allied status. Do 1 thing wrong and you're immediately dropped in status, with no regard for your previous actions.

There's reasons for those things. Trespassing and blocking pads is a death sentence to keep people from trolling by sticking a ship in the mailslot of a heavily trafficked port and staying there indefinitely. Same with being over the wrong pad, keeps you from denying someone their landing indefinitely.

 

[metascrawl]

PSA: If any of the tea and sympathy people here need to take the witness stand in court to defend themselves, take the Fifth.

I have sat on six juries, and you would be ensuring your conviction. Not joking. Your attitudes ensure that you will not be in a good place during deliberations.

Surely a jury should objectively consider the evidence, not make their decision based on their impression of the 'attitude' of the defendant.

The idea that someone couldn't represent themselves as innocent in court because they've poked a bit of fun at someone who lost a tiny amount of fake money in a computer game is laughable, by the way.

 

[AzraelDirge]

Surely a jury should objectively consider the evidence, not make their decision based on their impression of the 'attitude' of the defendant.

The idea that someone couldn't represent themselves as innocent in court because they've poked a bit of fun at someone who lost a tiny amount of fake money in a computer game is laughable, by the way.

"Your honor, we find the defendant unsympathetic. We did a bit of googling and decided he's a sociopath. We would like him sentenced to death and to have all his things taken away and redistributed to the people he hurt."

"He's in here for a jaywalking, people. Tone it down a bit."

 

[Maka Gucci]

Surely a jury should objectively consider the evidence, not make their decision based on their impression of the 'attitude' of the defendant.

It should be like that, in my experience it never once was.

 

[Ulaidian]

No fancy stuff in the cockpit.. rule #2

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Hehe...

Makes you wonder :
What would have been the punishment for Loitering above the Wife instead of above the Pad ?

Unsure what would be the equivalent of a Rebuy Screen in that respect

 

[Rusty Zipper]

Safe bet when not actively playing is to log back to the main menu. If you're interrupted when launching from a pad, get away from the station/base and then quit out. Being distracted in Elite can be Dangerous.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Surely a jury should objectively consider the evidence, not make their decision based on their impression of the 'attitude' of the defendant.

The idea that someone couldn't represent themselves as innocent in court because they've poked a bit of fun at someone who lost a tiny amount of fake money in a computer game is laughable, by the way.

You Are Who You Are, In The Dark.

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

They need to bring FINES back and not just add all the old fines into the new BOUNTY pot that treats everyone like a murdering, theiving scumbag.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Safe bet when not actively playing is to log back to the main menu. If you're interrupted when launching from a pad, get away from the station/base and then quit out. Being distracted in Elite can be Dangerous.

We all know that. The forum is nearly as merciless as the game.

They need to bring FINES back and not just add all the old fines into the new BOUNTY pot that treats everyone like a murdering, theiving scumbag.

Gamers are murdering, scheming, etc. That's why we have the Judge Dredd Syndrome, in-game, and on the board.

 

[nosleepdemon]

My wife once double tapped the supercruise button while I was super cruising. She saw the warning pop up after the first press and tapped it again to turn it off... My ship. She caught fire.

 

[Drelthar]

Loitering is a crime punishable by death.

 

[Backelaer]

Oh come on, there are lots of things to complain about but going afk and complaining you find yourself dead upon return... really? Have you ever played a computergame at all?

 

[Bryan K]

To quote the philosopher Homer Simpson: “Awww, why do my actions have consequences!?”.

In pretty much every single “C&P sucks” thread, it’s always entirely the OP’s fault. Good for a chuckle or two, at least.

 

[Ghostflux]

There's reasons for those things. Trespassing and blocking pads is a death sentence to keep people from trolling by sticking a ship in the mailslot of a heavily trafficked port and staying there indefinitely. Same with being over the wrong pad, keeps you from denying someone their landing indefinitely.

What is still missing from the C&P system is the distinction between accident and crime. If a user makes a mistake, the user should be given a reasonably amount of time and opportunity to correct the mistake. Penalties should start out light and build up towards being lethal as the worst case scenario. Not only that, but the user should be encouraged and guided towards following the correct procedure. This has been implemented somewhat, but often the time you're given is not lenient enough.

An example is the trespass warning. The warning comes too late to actually listen to the warning and correct your actions. If the warning was given slightly earlier, then trespassing would always be a conscious decision rather than a mistake. Which would also lead to the opportunity of creating gameplay where trespassing is supposed to be a conscious decision.

 

[Marra Morgan]

What is still missing from the C&P system is the distinction between accident and crime. If a user makes a mistake, the user should be given a reasonably amount of time and opportunity to correct the mistake. Penalties should start out light and build up towards being lethal as the worst case scenario. Not only that, but the user should be encouraged and guided towards following the correct procedure. This has been implemented somewhat, but often the time you're given is not lenient enough.

An example is the trespass warning. The warning comes too late to actually listen to the warning and correct your actions. If the warning was given slightly earlier, then trespassing would always be a conscious decision rather than a mistake. Which would also lead to the opportunity of creating gameplay where trespassing is supposed to be a conscious decision.

"Whoops! Sorry, didn't mean to send a hatchbreaker on you! Let me correct that by picking up the spilled cargo for you..."

Yeah works for me!

 

[Hexcaliber]

Used Galaxy map to search for Interstellar taxation/payment Center.
None near Deciat show up.
Finished engineering second FSD, couldn’t put original one back in out of storage I just put it into.
Paid 250,000 credits to ‘clean’ it.
Loitered at pad while talking to wife, tried to escape- warning: shield generator attack- destroyed, respawn back at detention center. Borrowed 100,000 credits it seems to pay the 450,000 credits rebuy - what happened to my insurance, who cares.

That was an 800 credit trespass bounty when I thought I could land at a planetfall base but was warned off but too slow to get out of the Huge Trespass Zone.
Could the galaxy map tell me the base was out of bounds before targeting, Frameshifting, arriving and then requesting docking.

Anyways, this is my second account for Exploration, so I’m going to have to do the Road to Riches for Sure now.

Not a good experience.
Crime and punishment changes are worse than Gankers
Cause you’re screwed in your own Private instance.

I can’t imagine recommending this sim to friends right now.
Yes, I’ll play but not pay.
Fixing it is not enough to get back into my wallet.
Let FDev learn to satisfy players again...

TLDR; PEBCAK and salt.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

You talk to your wife!?
How strange!

Wife dishes out death in more devious ways than Thargoids!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Lot of spouse hate going on in here.