Powerplay should not be made Open-only. Here's why... [EDITED]

I posted this as a response to Sandro's thread, but it needs discussion here where normal replies can be made without incurring the wrath of breaking that Feedback section's rules..

Hi Sandro. I did some research.

Waaaaay back in Newsletter #72, Powerplay information was released on the 23rd April 2015.

https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=b0a8ebba0b

In that newsletter, there is a quote from you...



So yes, when Powerplay was designed, sure, part of the reasoning behind it was to give players a reason to engage in PvP. That's obvious.

But you also took players who don't play in Open into account - right from the birth of Powerplay - and that is the product a lot of your customers bought into.

To remove that content from users of the "Solo" and "Private Group" game client connectivity mode/filter after 3 years is, frankly, just not cricket, old chap.

Also this dispels this recent disinformation I've been reading from a number of posters that Powerplay was introduced solely for direct PvP players only. I don't know why that lie has been propagated - it's simply not true; the statement "giving players a reason to engage in PvP" did not mean "Powerplay is PvP-only content" back then. It meant only that it gave players a reason or purpose for PvP.

It's almost like you agreed to a set of terms and conditions that state that the developer can alter or remove aspects of their services at any time for any reason, or for no reason. There is no "gotcha" to be pulled here, they aren't beholden to your interpretation of something they said in a news letter long ago, and I honestly find it hilarious you went so far back to dig up something you could pick apart the wording in to make it support your case that you should be able to effect global events from safety.
 
It's rather obvious, when looking at which game modes PowerPlay was consciously implemented in, that alone could mean playing in any of the three game modes....

It could also mean playing alone in Solo. Which would be supportive of other stone tablet commitments, whilst the premise of it meaning to be restricted to be alone in Open would not be.

Are you Alistair Campbell? ;)
 
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Taken in context with the rest of the sentance I think the 'Alone' was meant to convey not requiring you to join an active Power Play group and follow their directions or orders, I don't think Solo Mode is implied there at all.

Thing is, others read it differently, and FD never clarified anyone who misunderstood the intent.
 
You can play alone in open. SHOCKING.

As thats almost certainly what the context was here given pvp is included in the statement.

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I think Open only PowerPlay makes perfect sense.

However, PowerPlay itself does not. Lol

It's still a confusing mess of odd rules and nonsensical allowances, and minimum effort rewards. Lol
 
Personally I think this is FDevs response to the BOT PROBLEM.

Q is will it work?

Nah, this is primarily FDev's proposed solution to the 'OK we're making squadrons, how the hell can we create some actual pvp-focused content to use them with' problem.

Neither criticising nor supporting it there, but that is plainly what's motivating it - the timing alone reveals that.
 
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When are people going to accept that game development isn't a static endeavor?
Can anyone name a single online game that never changed any ideas, plans, or promises since it's inception?

Because something was initially promised one way is not a good reason to keep it that way.
FD aren't changing this because they want to break a promise or take something away from players. They're thinking about doing it because they think it will be better for the game overall.
 
So you'd be fine with the PP modules being removed. It's not supposed to be static, right? And lets face it, I never used those anyway, so why should it affect my game?

You really bought the game purely on the fact that it had a feature called Powerplay that could be played in Solo?
Are you sure you didn't already own the game at that point?

Uh, he bought the game for the game. And now it's being taken off him in pieces.

Are you sure you know what the game is? It isn't just the bits you play.Its the entire content.
 
I think that letting the designers have ideas and to explore and develop them is the best thing for this game. Anything designed by committee is usually terrifyingly over complex and ineffectual. Powerplay needs an overhaul, trying to make it more dynamic is a great idea, Elite needs more dynamism. I think the current streamlined design team is the best thing for the game, change is good, we are all terrible at accepting it and usually start quoting legal bull.

As a private group player, squadrons won't really interest me, but I will enjoy being around squadrons, the part of Powerplay I wanted to work was to be able to patrol a system and actually see other cmdr's, this never happened, hopefully these changes will make it more likely.

But if I don't play powerplay I wont start complaining about it as I want the game to develop, not stagnate.

At the moment powerplay feels like it is in a different game mode to everything else anyway!!

Long live the revolution!!
 
even if you prefer to play alone.

....he said "alone" and not "in solo mode".
I understand it that way, that people have gotten a reason to engage in PvP without being member of dedicated PvP groups, when playing "alone (lone wolf) in open" could be the meaning of his sentence ;)
Because....how do you engage in PvP in solo mode??? Did you've really read that post?
It supports even more the proposal that FD made now.

My 2 cents...
 
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You really bought the game purely on the fact that it had a feature called Powerplay that could be played in Solo?
Are you sure you didn't already own the game at that point?

Hello fellow Frog ;)

No, I backed E: D in 2014. Powerplay was unknown at the time. Back then we had the information in the Kickstarter pages and various vlogs by Braben and Co. Said Kickstarter pages promised various things and even at one point there was an completely offline, standalone version of the game touted.

I backed E: D because I grew up with Frontier: Elite II and because E: D as proposed looked to be an updated version of that.

My biggest regret is Frontier decided multiplayer was a great idea. In some parallel universe, there is a fork of E: D which is a completely standalone, updated version of Frontier: Elite II but using all the assets of E: D, with some kind of monthly download update which makes it less static than Frontier: Elite II, but doesn't have a large swathe of development time going into somehow making an Elite game work as a multiplayer game.

Sadly, we have what we have now. Back in 2015, Powerplay was announced, and it was - as I have pointed out earlier - designed with all three game client connectivity modes in mind. There is a myth being propagated that Powerplay was solely intended to be direct PvP-only, and my OP is there mainly to correct that myth, as well as remind Sandro and everyone else as to why Powerplay currently operates in all three game client connectivity modes, and why limiting it to only operate in the Open game client connectivity mode is a pointless exercise.

Also do note that even if Frontier did go ahead and make Powerplay operate only in the Open game client connectivity modes, other less scrupulous players would find ways of preventing their game clients from connecting with other game clients (i.e. how one player can see and shoot at other players), and all this kerfuffle about bots influencing Powerplay would merely continue as if nothing had changed.
 
even if you prefer to play alone.

....he said "alone" and not "in solo mode".
I understand it that way, that people have gotten a reason to engage in PvP without being member of dedicated PvP groups, when playing "alone (lone wolf) in open" could be the meaning of his sentence ;)
Because....how do you engage in PvP in solo mode??? Did you've really read that post?
It supports even more the proposal that FD made now.

My 2 cents...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2138186&viewfull=1#post2138186

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