Powerplay should not be made Open-only. Here's why... [EDITED]

[Sterling MH]

+REP OP

This whole open only PP is just a ploy to get players in open. The epitome of lazy FDev-ness, 'let's take an existing system, beat the crap out of it with our keyboards, horribly mangle it into something else, all to get the players to do something we want them to do, but most players don't want to do'.

What they did was build it HOPING that people would play on open to do it. But since PvP and PvE dont mix because PvP won't take no for an answer (so like a ), PvE didn't go open and PvP had nobody to and left. But the PvE still enjoyed the idea and kept playing whilst the PvP found no fun because no pewpew and left sooner.

And so to make PvPers stay, they want to force PvEers to play with them. Despite this is like demanding that your child play with your pet aligator and hope that they both get on swimmingly.

@Genar-Hofoen

And? Saying "yes it works" isnt going against the statement that powerplay is intended for pvp.

But saying "powerplay is not intended for combat PvP" DOES. Which is the argument they made.

 

[Eidolon]

Have a rep OP.
I would of imagined the devs would of thought through half azzd changes like the Open only PP one.
The never seem to learn.

 

[Redomus]

Ive never been a griefer - I've only ever blown up a CMDR with proper justification (self defense for the most part), but these threads bring out my inner murder hobo. Im starting to get addicted to salt. I'm starting to see the appeal.. Too bad you lot will be stuck in solo out of real player interaction.

Is forum PVP the best pvp?

 

[Sterling MH]

This has been debated exhaustively the last two days. The reasons for bringing powerplay into Open-only are clear.

Yes they are clear. They also don't work. they are broken right from the start. I am ALSO clear that this is the answer YOU want, therefore you just accept it. Shoe on the other foot, though, and you won't accept it.

Saying "their reasons are clear" is not a counter to my argument. Try again. Whiff and miss.

Ive never been a griefer?

Cool story bro. Funny how nobody is a griefer and nobody in jail is guilty.

Your story is like "I ain't no racist, but...".

 

[Redomus]

Cool story bro. Funny how nobody is a griefer and nobody in jail is guilty.

Your story is like "I ain't no racist, but...".

True story. The most fun I have had in the game so far though was the conflict zone cg with the stickers. Absolute blast in open. My viper III skills went up 10 points.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Yes they are clear. They also don't work. they are broken right from the start. I am ALSO clear that this is the answer YOU want, therefore you just accept it. Shoe on the other foot, though, and you won't accept it.

Saying "their reasons are clear" is not a counter to my argument. Try again. Whiff and miss.



Cool story bro. Funny how nobody is a griefer and nobody in jail is guilty.

Your story is like "I ain't no racist, but...".

You don't 'grief' in Powerplay, since its about shooting other rival pledges. The minute a PP ship shoots a non pledge they are wanted all the same.

 

[Sterling MH]

There are major loopholes regarding people using solo/pg filters to prevent themselves being interdicted,

Nope, that wasn't it. That's YOUR complaint about it. Because you won't move out of your safe space of PvP combat. PP is not PvP combat. That's done in CQC. If you want to take your ship in to that, ask FD. PP is about you supporting your faction or beating up the opposing faction. Your way, only two factions would exist, because you can't PvP peacefully and through dialogue and progressive literature. So only the two willing to kill people will exist. So it clearly isn't that.

Moreover, you can just go and haul cargo to bolster your faction, or interrupt trade in the system of an opposing faction, neither of which are PvP combat but are still PvP. Your acts counter the acts of other players, they want to make trade go through their faction, they want to interrupt trade to your faction.

That you don't get this is because you want your way to be the only way and stuff everyone else's play. They HAVE to engage in yours.

 

[Space Dandy]

I posted this as a response to Sandro's thread, but it needs discussion here where normal replies can be made without incurring the wrath of breaking that Feedback section's rules..

Hi Sandro. I did some research.

Waaaaay back in Newsletter #72, Powerplay information was released on the 23rd April 2015.

https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=b0a8ebba0b

In that newsletter, there is a quote from you...



So yes, when Powerplay was designed, sure, part of the reasoning behind it was to give players a reason to engage in PvP. That's obvious.

But you also took players who don't play in Open into account - right from the birth of Powerplay - and that is the product a lot of your customers bought into.

To remove that content from users of the "Solo" and "Private Group" game client connectivity mode/filter after 3 years is, frankly, just not cricket, old chap.

Also this dispels this recent disinformation I've been reading from a number of posters that Powerplay was introduced solely for direct PvP players only. I don't know why that lie has been propagated - it's simply not true; the statement "giving players a reason to engage in PvP" did not mean "Powerplay is PvP-only content" back then. It meant only that it gave players a reason or purpose for PvP.

Heh the truth comes out.... The pro open only or PP was meant for pvpers only rote is being shown for the propaganda it really is....lol

 

[Sterling MH]

You don't 'grief' in Powerplay.

Yes, which is why griefers want PP open only. Now there's some C&P they want to be able to use the PP exception.

 

[Roybe]

Learned something new in this thread...

*goes home, sets up QOS Policing on router, limits ED to 12kbps - connection should work, but lag like hell enough to be an undesirable instance partner*

All this time, and I never thought to do this.

WIN!

On my connection, my wife just has to watch Netflix...

On a more pragmatic point, the PVP players will never see the majority of players playing in Open..regardless of how things are set up...or have any hope to stop enough players in PP to make anything but a token difference. So this idea of PP in Open is just a band aid to keep them playing after the first of the year.

 

[Sterling MH]

True story.

Sure it was. But the bit that isn't true is the "I'm no griefer". You just didn't feel sorry for it and felt no grief.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Yes, which is why griefers want PP open only. Now there's some C&P they want to be able to use the PP exception.

I don't think you get it.

In Powerplay its your job to kill other powers ships.

Its built into the DNA of that feature.

So what if PvP guys want in on that?

Its part of the job.

 

[vanya234]

Yes. I explained why it didn't apply. You didn;t answer the question. Therefore the answer was nonexistent. If you want to try to answer my question, you need to try again.

"The EULA..."

Sorry, still doesn't answer my question. Strike two. Try again.

You explained that your house analogy did not apply? Where was that? I'm really confused here you aren't clear.

The EULA grants you access to use not own. What question are you on about?

 

[Brrokk]

I agree with OP.

 

[vanya234]

Yes, which is why griefers want PP open only. Now there's some C&P they want to be able to use the PP exception.

Why are you imputing morality into a spaceship game where you shoot stuff? Where does the griefing happen in powerplay? Also, PP is a warring scenario, if you're pledged one would assume you would expect to get shot at.

 

[kofeyh]

Yes. I explained why it didn't apply. You didn;t answer the question. Therefore the answer was nonexistent. If you want to try to answer my question, you need to try again.

"The EULA..."

Sorry, still doesn't answer my question. Strike two. Try again.

eula answers your question.

2.1 Subject to your compliance with the terms of this EULA, we grant you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, non-sublicensable, revocable, limited licence to use the Game.

They didn't sell you a house or whatever else you want to believe. They only sold access.

Just. I get it. You are unhappy with the developers suggestion. That's okay. But this endless arguing based on little more than I know you are but what am I.

>.<

 

[Redomus]

Sure it was. But the bit that isn't true is the "I'm no griefer". You just didn't feel sorry for it and felt no grief.

Its funny, the last CMDR's i destroyed were from a PG - they came to my local system, attacked me for no reason in a haz res in open. 3 v 1. Corvette, Conda, FDL.

For no reason.

I killed two, then they logged off. Who is the griefer when I was minding my own business?

 

[Sylveria]

Why are you imputing morality into a spaceship game where you shoot stuff? Where does the griefing happen in powerplay? Also, PP is a warring scenario, if you're pledged one would assume you would expect to get shot at.

This is actually a statement I completely agree with.

In War, by pledging to a side you are consenting to such... which is why I've always agreed with using PP as a possible framework for a consensual PvP flagging system.

 

[Sterling MH]

You explained that your house analogy did not apply??

No. What have you smoked recently to imagine that? No, the EULA is not answering my question this time either.

Strike three.

Try again.

 

[lefty1117]

eula answers your question.

2.1 Subject to your compliance with the terms of this EULA, we grant you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, non-sublicensable, revocable, limited licence to use the Game.

They didn't sell you a house or whatever else you want to believe. They only sold access.

Just. I get it. You are unhappy with the developers suggestion. That's okay. But this endless arguing based on little more than I know you are but what am I.

>.<

Exactly, thank you, now I don't have to respond to his posts anymore. The guy with his eyes shut and ears covered is telling other people they are too rigid. huh?