Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

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I really find it sad that some LEP owners are growing ever more disatisfied with their purchase as time goes on. It shows one thing: you guys simply can't accept responsibility for your actions.

Back when you bought the LEP, this LEP really only gave you one thing: access to the game as it existed at the time of purchase. That was the value of your LEP, and nothing more. Sure it also gave you access to any potential future developments and additions, but that obviously has no real value until those additions do come to the game if ever.

So back then your LEP had a set price but a baseline value that could either go up with time or stay the same (until Frontier removes your access to the game when they shut down the servers). But you hoped that this value would go up, to the point that hopefully it would justify the price you had paid for it and maybe some more.

Still, if you're a reasonable and sensible adult, you should consider any gamble is lost until it is not. So why is it you are growing angry at Frontier over the LEP now? Your LEP hasn't lost any of its value, and for all of you it actually has increased in value because there have been additions and improvements to the game since you bought it. You weren't angry back when your LEP was worth less, in fact you were happy enough to buy it. And yet, as time goes and Frontier improves the game, you guys are growing fixated on the fact you haven't "saved" enough money to justify the money you spent on that LEP. And you're afraid you never will if Frontier drops paid expansions entirely.

So you gambled, but instead of accepting you were taking a calculated risk and that what you were getting back then was potentially all you were going to get, you assumed Frontier owed you and that you were entitled to making your money back. But they don't and you aren't, that was never part of the deal and you need to take responsibility and accept, without rancour, that you could lose your bet entirely.

Not that I believe you will. I'll stil not buy the LEP, because I don't gamble and I want to keep some bargaining power, however little it may be.
 
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So far I've paid around $275 USD for Elite, which includes $105 USD for the Elite base game and around $170 for various cosmetic items such as paint packs and weapon colors. That doesn't actually get me anything to actually use for gameplay other than the game itself and the starting Sidewinder however. Everything else in the game I've had to obtain during over 2400 hours of gameplay so far. That is a substantial investment of both time and money into Elite.

If you want to make a comparison to Star Citizen, the base game and ship purchases in SC are actually significantly better value than what FD is selling for Elite in terms of the game expansions and cosmetics. The base game for SC plus S42 cost me $60 USD which is $45 less than the $105 I paid for Elite plus Horizons. The various ships in SC cam course be far more expensive than anything of the cosmetics that can be purchased in Elite, but if you look at how much many players have spent in total that is more than enough to purchase a mid-sized ship in SC. If you look at a typical medium-sized ship like the Constellation Andromeda that costs $225 and provides an actual ship to fly in the game. That would put a total cost of $285 for the combination of SC, S42 and a Constellation Andromeda as a medium-sized multicrew ship. Compare that to $275 for I've paid for Elite, Horizons and various cosmetic items. So far SC is looking like a much better value in terms of what you get for your money, especially considering that I can walk around the Constellation and interact with a fully-functional ship interior while we don't even have a basic version of space legs in Elite at this point.

If you add in the time it took me to earn ships in Elite the amount I've "invested" into the game becomes substantially higher. The typical dollar value for in-game grind for most games is usually between $1-3 per hour. If you use the lowest possible value for what I've earned in Elite over 2400 hours at only $1/hr that is equivalent to at least $2400 of grind "value" that I've put into Elite so far. In that sense I've gotten very low "value" out of Elite in terms of the quality of gameplay for the time and money I've put into Elite so far.

Lol, wut? You do realise that with your $225 Andromeda (which is insane to pay for any fake spaceship, period) you get almost no gameplay loops whatsoever? You want to mine? Pay another $180 for the 'mining ship'. Such value, much impressed. :rolleyes: Besides, if you want to make an honest comparison, you compare identical time periods. You can buy SC + Andromeda + mining ship for $500 now, or get Elite Dangerous + Horizons + Beyond for $18 now. One is an actual game, the other is a completely broken shell of a tech demo. The actual game is 25x cheaper... Its also silly to pretend your voluntary cosmetics are comparable to having to pay hundreds of dollars per single (wholly unfinished!) gameplay loop. Not sure who you are trying to fool here, us or yourself...

For shame, man.
 
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We're into Q2, 3.1 is out, FD have released more paid 'content'. So... Where's the stuff? You know... The stuff LEP holders are supposed to get for 'free'. Where is it? What is it? TELL US SOMETHING FD... ANYTHING....


Edit: Who thought naming 3.1 'chapter 2' was a good idea........ Time for more coffee....

Its coming when it comes. They will show us when they are ready.
 
You know one thing this question won't do? Speed development of that future content. We even have confirmation that Beyond isn't the end of development. If you believe that whatever comes after Beyond isn't going to be paid content, you're likely delusional.

So basically, it will come when it will come. You were told Horizons wasn't the end of LEP support when Beyond was announced. So quit agitating over it and let them announce it when the time is right.

They can't give you a roadmap of what they want to do for the next X years because they can't promise it'll all make it. That's why we aren't getting another season like Horizons. Better to focus on one launch at a time rather than promise 5 things and realize it isn't going to work out as easily as you hoped. Be happy they learned that.
 
"It's ready when it's ready." Is a terrible business plan.

They don't need a business plan regarding LEP owners: they already have your money. The only monetization scheme they have left for you is paintjobs, and for that they can rely on impulse buying and peer pressure.
 
In September it will have been three years since I paid $180 for the LEP.

Three years with nothing to show for it other than what I would have gotten with a Horizons purchase.

Did any LEP purchaser expect that? I really doubt it. We have a right to be annoyed. FD knows they let us down and what's really irritating is how little concern they show for it publicly.

They shouldn't leave us hanging like this. A little more communication would go a long way.
 
Lol, wut? You do realise that with your $225 Andromeda (which is insane to pay for any fake spaceship, period)

If you think the SC ship prices are "insane" that what does it tell you about the $170 worth of cosmetics I've purchased in Elite? Paying $7 for a single paint pack or $1.75 each for a single laser color is ludicrously overpriced for what you are actually getting. In the case of laser colors that is literally a single line of RGB code for $1.75 and there is no way to "earn" it in-game. If you want to make a direct comparison for what you can buy in SC for $170, which is what I've paid so far in terms of Elite cosmetics, a good example here would be the Sabre which is a $170 stealth space superiority fighter:

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The Sabre is every bit the equal of a top-tier Elite fighter such as the Vulture and is much better value than the ship paints and weapon colors I've gotten from Elite for the same $170 cost. What's worse is that with Elite you have no "free" ship customization options that can be earned in-game, you have to purchase ship paints or weapon colors or nameplates from the Frontier store at ludicrous prices. When you look at Elite cosmetic items vs. Star Citizen ships you are getting far better value out of Star Citizen by purchasing a ship here.

you get almost no gameplay loops whatsoever? You want to mine? Pay another $180 for the 'mining ship'. Such value, much impressed. :rolleyes:

The game is still in alpha and that gameplay is still being actively developed. It's interesting that you mention mining however, which has recently been introduced in 3.2 alpha and is already far better developed (even in its first iteration) than the terrible mining "gameplay" we get in Elite.

Besides, if you want to make an honest comparison, you compare identical time periods. You can buy SC + Andromeda + mining ship for $500 now, or get Elite Dangerous + Horizons + Beyond for $18 now. One is an actual game, the other is a completely broken shell of a tech demo. The actual game is 25x cheaper... Its also silly to pretend your voluntary cosmetics are comparable to having to pay hundreds of dollars per single (wholly unfinished!) gameplay loop. Not sure who you are trying to fool here, us or yourself...

First, you're wrong about the current cost of Elite plus Horizons, it's currently being discounted for $31.79 in the store, not $18. Second, that is a deeply discounted price and the regular price for Elite plus Horizons is currently listed as $60 USD in the Frontier store which is 3.5 years after the game launched. You're also not making a fair comparison because you're using severely discounted Elite prices that don't reflect what most players have paid for the game. I can't get any sort of discount for the $105 I've paid for Elite plus Horizons. That was the cost when they were first sold at retail and if you buy the game now at a discounted price you have gotten no actual value from it yet, while I have paid $105 for a total of 3.5 years of gameplay so far.

For shame, man.

The only thing that is shameful here is how FD has treated the LEP owners. I suppose selling a single laser color for $1.75 is also shameful but it's such a high dollar cost for such a minimal development effort I'm almost impressed that they are actually selling those items in the store for those prices. So far SC has nothing that even comes close to selling a single line of RGB code for $1.75 which tells me they are well behind Elite in terms of ludicrous monetization of trivial DLC purchases.
 
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I feel sorry for the LEP guys so far. But, hopefully, that will change and I will feel envious.

Can't see it right now but I hope the best for those faithful people.
 
The only thing that is shameful here is how FD has treated the LEP owners. -snip-

The life of the game isn't over yet so the leg you are standing on doesn't exist. Sure FD should have released new premium content .. but it is coming.. and I really do expect everyone who has said it isn't to make posts on how they were wrong! ... I will be bringing up all the names on my list.
 
The life of the game isn't over yet so the leg you are standing on doesn't exist. Sure FD should have released new premium content .. but it is coming.. and I really do expect everyone who has said it isn't to make posts on how they were wrong! ... I will be bringing up all the names on my list.

Some "life of the game" would be welcomed. :)
 

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They don't need a business plan regarding LEP owners: they already have your money. The only monetization scheme they have left for you is paintjobs, and for that they can rely on impulse buying and peer pressure.

This. This right here. Someone else who understands.

LEP'ers... FD don't have to impress you in the slightest. It's scrubs like me who they have to impress, if they want more sales.
 
The life of the game isn't over yet so the leg you are standing on doesn't exist. Sure FD should have released new premium content .. but it is coming.. and I really do expect everyone who has said it isn't to make posts on how they were wrong! ... I will be bringing up all the names on my list.

As someone who didn't buy an LEP I'm quite pleased with all the free stuff I've been enjoying. I wouldn't object to new premium stuff at all but I certainly won't be critically examining the Krait MkII's teeth in the meantime.
 
Please don't turn this into a Star Citizen vs ED thread, it is not even relevant to the topic.

I didn't start that comparison in this thread, another poster did. I simply responded to the claim that Elite is somehow better value than Star Citizen, which I can tell you is most certainly not true. I have followed the development of both Elite and Star Citizen very closely and have invested a significant amount of time and money into both games so I know exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm not particularly happy with either Elite or Star Citizen's funding models right now for various reasons but I can very clearly tell you exactly what value you're getting for Elite cosmetic purchases vs. spending the same amount on a ship in Star Citizen.
 

Your entire post is based around the assumption that SC will some beautiful day become super awesome, while simultaneously assuming ED will not develop anymore, while also assuming that being forced to pay hundreds of dollars to even be able to get access to basic gameplay is somehow better than given the option to spend a buck on making your laser blue.

While you are entitled to your opinions, I find these assumptions so hilariously stupid that I feel we just have to agree to disagree. Have fun with SC though. :)
 
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