I actually didn't think of that.
If FD expect to end at around 2021, then, they themselves should expect to pump out enough paid expansions to at least fullfill the LEP value.
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Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'
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I actually didn't think of that.
If FD expect to end at around 2021, then, they themselves should expect to pump out enough paid expansions to at least fullfill the LEP value.
I am sure when they [FD] are ready to announce something they will. Yes, it's been a long time since any announcements, apart from DB saying things are coming and most of us will know what some of it is last week .. but that doesn't seem to matter.
Difficult to tell, I expect that it may come in smaller, cheaper but more frequent DLC's, but what FDev actually intend, I do not know.
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Game companies / devs treating their communities badly happen every day (at least if we pay heed to any complaining members) so that on its own is just a big fat meh, especially if the company in question keeps making decent cash irrespective. Nah, you clearly referred to the LEP as "a massive PR issue for FD" and then went onto compare it with another situation that has actually become a massive PR issue (i.e. going even further than the game community itself) thanks to the aspects I mentioned which forced top brass in the company to pay heed to those external forces, lest they impacted the rest of the company portfolio.
In addition to that obvious and massive difference between loot boxes and the LPE, there are a couple other main differences that make one of the issues massive while the other isn´t even limited to their respective game communities: The availability / affected population and the significance in the revenue model. While loot boxes was planned to be active sine die throughout the life cycle of the product and constantly available to 100% of the player base (thus becoming an intrinsic and core element of the product annual turnover), the LPE has had a very reduced availability limited to a few weeks for its most debated period in 2015, and the proportion of players that had a chance to even consider it at all (never mind those among them who ended up buying it) is probably a tiny % of the player base today. Same goes with its revenue. I.e. not a massive issue in any way measurable, especially by your loot box standard.
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I have n o idea what I'm talking about? That's hilarious. The entire concept of a LIFETIME pass is that it covers all updates to the game for its LIFETIME. So tell me, what is the timescale during which its reasonable to expect the content concerned to be delivered?
The above is not a technicality it is the fundamental basis on which the product concerned was sold.
See above.
See above. Also note, you are the one who keeps making claims based on legislation yet refusing to specify which legislation you're referring to.
If you read what I wrote again, you'll see that the purpose of it wasn't to ilustrate anything to do with Star Citizen per se, it was to illustrate the fact that unlike you, if I'm making a point based on legislation I will at least quote the legislation that I profess to have knowledge of.
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Seems a 3D model and some textures is now worth more than the real thing but either way, if you have money burning your pockets go and do that.
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Good, because that timetable shows precisely that FDEV never announced the Horizons season total duration as you seem to suggest.
As per how FDEV´s overall delivery compares to that plan I will have to refer you to this post from Stuart which nicely summarizes it for each expansion individually:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...get-for-free?p=6841950&viewfull=1#post6841950
2.0 met its target
2.1 met its target
2.2 was delayed from Summer 2016 by 5 weeks, and released 25th Oct.
2.3 was delayed 3.5 months from Autumn 2016 until 11th Apr 2017.
2.4 wasn't delayed at all, because once its release window was announced it met it.
So all in all the facts show actual delivery much, much more reasonable, than the hyperbolean and baseless "twice as long" you used at the start of this conversation.
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To be perfectly fair here, If I recall correctly 'Horizons' dropped down to £5 during some sales, not much to ask for really is it? .. if people wanted it they should have got it. the entire game can't be held back because some people don't want to pay more money for expansions.
But that is off topic, back on topic .......... stuff coming soon™
Forgeddabowdit.
Let's see: This isn't about semantics? Check. If I'd know some people would've latched onto my post as if it was a prophecy of the end times, I might've remained silent.
FD is leaving LEP holders in the dark? Debatable. While we're certainly not standing in the noon-day sun, we certainly have some illumination. Unfortunately, some people's tenancy to latch onto Frontier's statements as if they are some kind of legally binding contract has made the company understandably reticent over the years.
FD is leaving LEP holders out in the cold? Not in this LEP holder's opinion. Frontier's decision to go full bore MMO with Elite: Dangerous has certainly led to some unexpected delays, but that's a far cry not getting a single premium expansion again. Since Frontier has at least another 3.5 years in which to release at least two more premium expansions, I'm cautiously optimistic.
Yes, well. You obviously still consider that to carry weight.
For me, from now on, it's when it gets installed after proper testing, that anything Dave says is intended or not.
I'm not playing the Marketing Game, it's not what I paid for. An official press release on what dates FD intend to add space legs and atmospheric planets would be more effective at this point, than saying "whenever" and letting the ill-informed make up they know stuff. Regardless of whether FD hit those dates or not. If they don't they need a good reason.
If they have a good reason, I'm sure no one will roast them for over-promising.
The issue thus far is they've missed their own planning by 3 years, without a good reason. The only thing standing between FD and the good roasting they quite frankly deserve, are white horses and armour that's never seen any real battle.
If you believe any "intentions" from FD after experiencing the last four years, without taking them with a pinch of salt until those "plans" turn up as an option in your installer and aren't just MVP that has a hard time being described as a "game" or features of a "simulation", then you're as big a mug as I was when I bought mine.
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I'd be very surprised if they didn't eventually. In a meaningful way, and not by taking a dive in the penalty box.
It would appear very foolish and impinge on future perceptions over the trustworthiness of the organisation.
I'm not saying they won't, just that they don't have to
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I guess a wet match in a dark room would technically be illumination...
Well, what do LEP holders have that horizon owners don't? Is there anything? I'd call $14.99 worth of content for $60 (or whatever the LEP cost...) pretty cold.
Well first off LEP owners didn't pay for Horizons
£130 some people paid when Horizons was released. $50 was during Kickstarter I believe?
Well hopefully, the "don't have to" component of that is hugely unpopular with decision makers at FD.
Hopefully, they're thinking hard on how to deliver quality features, and handing those decisions, to decision makers with the skills that can deliver something more than MVP rubbish.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Frontier should just employ the know-it-alls on this thread. We'd have had a fully fleshed out game with spacelegs earth likes and the rest last December. Maybe earlier as they'd have taken the decision to cancel Jurassic Park and Planet Coaster and poured all the cash into extra devs to make that baby 12 weeks earlier.
Spot on.
£130 vs £11.99 in Sterling.
Or 11 further discounted Horizons level expansions.
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