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Yeah well we got small tweaks and three-ish new ships. That's slow development to me. Trying to hype that with some chapters numbers and a space leg teasing trailer, then failing to deliver... No wonder people now get EXCITED.
A steaming pile of 120 tons of biowaste
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Hang on, how do gaming vets of 30 years have no gaming experience? Personally I feel it's my experience that has tempered my expectations. I see the mould Elite is built from, I know it's probably not going to expand far beyond that. I wish it did, but it just doesn't seem to be in the cards for this game. Ah well. I still like it. That's my old-ish guy semi-casual input.
Well I'm with the OP. I quit because the game is broken. Bugs do not get fixed and try as hard as I can, let's face it the game is boring. Pretty but boring. I lurk here in the vain hope that one of the 100 people, ha yeah right, working on this actually take notice of what many many many people are saying now.
Elite is dull, grindy and bug ridden to the point of broken. It has more fluff yes, but worse than it was 2 years ago.
Elite is dull, grindy and bug ridden to the point of broken. It has more fluff yes, but worse than it was 2 years ago.
I don't think so.
Because I think they stopped playing in their mid-twenties or around thirties (like the society expected them to), got married, had children etc. and came back when word of Elite kickstarter got out. Had no interests in gaming per se, but Elite... Elite is different. Plus all the nostalgia from previous games... I myself sunk countless of hours into FE2, never got to play First Encounters though.
Probably... for masochists. I tried playing in Sidey. And it is very enjoyable, when you finally sell that steaming pile of crap
Okay I'll give you that, very different from me, always steeped in gaming here. But it's funny, because Escape Velocity (Elite-like Macintosh game) was an early for me, yet here I am. I've played the crap out of MMOs and MOBAs too (more my forte, not as much an FPSer).
Elite seems like an 80s/90s game just with super-good graphics and a huge universe and an amazing flight model. But the missions and such, and modules and balance...well it's 80s/90s, and seems bound to game-engine design at this point. I don't see it changing much or ever hitting balance of modern games.
That said: still my space game of choice.
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Yeah, I never gave a rat's derrière about what society thinks, and never stopped playing It is my hobby. Though I went more of the FPS route, always steered clear of MMOs or MOBAs. It's never late to try though, I plan to check out ESO and maybe get my wife onboard as well, when I build a second rig. We'll see.
Regarding Elite, Frontier Elite 2 was a dream come true for me. When I heard of ED I was excited like a Braben ;-) for this game. But, having played it (many hours in a viper mk4, then even more hours in a vulture), it never felt quite right like the first game did... I was ecstatic when they released Horizons, it was like the dream was finally becoming true... and then it stopped. And I waited. And waited. Each update more lackluster than previous one. Being a software dev with experience in project management also doesn't help, because there are tell-tale signs of neglect and resource starvation or hitting a colossal hurdle in development. I was ready to quit the game around 300-400hrs mark, but then I tried powerplay in an organised group (Winters at that time), and it was good for another 400 hours because they have given me the purpose to continue playing (or aim for the big 3, because I didn't feel the need to own a cutter for example, and anaconda is ugly *ducks*). But the winters morale got crushed under a mighty bug where powerplay cycle tick didn't occur at the right time, foiling weeks of work of prepped operation against some other power, cancelled our expansion and did lots of falloff damage. FDev never made this right (despite track record of god's hand interventions for Empire in similar situation). So player interest dwindled, and another reason to play was lost.
VR got me another 30hrs of playing the game just to check out the sights, but apart from Stellar forge glitches, 30hrs of "exploration" is enough to see "what's on offer".
I've written here before, I wouldn't mind they re-started the game (they had reserved the "Elite: Deadly" trademark) from scratch, and with experience, built another universe, this time with atmospheric worlds, space legs and a place to call home (colonising worlds). But it seems the project is on the back-burner and unless there is a whole another branch of wondrous things for the paid DLC in the works, one that would make it a "must buy", it seems the studio interest is elsewhere. Time will tell.
And regarding the space game of choice: there's not a lot of choice, sadly. It's changing, slowly, but too slowly to give FDev a nudge But I think publishers noticed the NMS outcry, and it fantastical rebound lately and I hope we will be in for a treat in a few years.
It is my hobby. Though I went more of the FPS route, always steered clear of MMOs or MOBAs. It's never late to try though, I plan to check out ESO and maybe get my wife onboard as well, when I build a second rig. We'll see.Regarding Elite, Frontier Elite 2 was a dream come true for me. When I heard of ED I was excited like a Braben ;-) for this game. But, having played it (many hours in a viper mk4, then even more hours in a vulture), it never felt quite right like the first game did... I was ecstatic when they released Horizons, it was like the dream was finally becoming true... and then it stopped. And I waited. And waited. Each update more lackluster than previous one. Being a software dev with experience in project management also doesn't help, because there are tell-tale signs of neglect and resource starvation or hitting a colossal hurdle in development. I was ready to quit the game around 300-400hrs mark, but then I tried powerplay in an organised group (Winters at that time), and it was good for another 400 hours because they have given me the purpose to continue playing (or aim for the big 3, because I didn't feel the need to own a cutter for example, and anaconda is ugly *ducks*). But the winters morale got crushed under a mighty bug where powerplay cycle tick didn't occur at the right time, foiling weeks of work of prepped operation against some other power, cancelled our expansion and did lots of falloff damage. FDev never made this right (despite track record of god's hand interventions for Empire in similar situation). So player interest dwindled, and another reason to play was lost.
VR got me another 30hrs of playing the game just to check out the sights, but apart from Stellar forge glitches, 30hrs of "exploration" is enough to see "what's on offer".
I've written here before, I wouldn't mind they re-started the game (they had reserved the "Elite: Deadly" trademark
) from scratch, and with experience, built another universe, this time with atmospheric worlds, space legs and a place to call home (colonising worlds). But it seems the project is on the back-burner and unless there is a whole another branch of wondrous things for the paid DLC in the works, one that would make it a "must buy", it seems the studio interest is elsewhere. Time will tell.And regarding the space game of choice: there's not a lot of choice, sadly. It's changing, slowly, but too slowly to give FDev a nudge
But I think publishers noticed the NMS outcry, and it fantastical rebound lately and I hope we will be in for a treat in a few years.
Because I think they stopped playing in their mid-twenties or around thirties (like the society expected them to), got married, had children etc. and came back when word of Elite kickstarter got out. Had no interests in gaming per se, but Elite... Elite is different. Plus all the nostalgia from previous games... I myself sunk countless of hours into FE2, never got to play First Encounters though.
Probably... for masochists. I tried playing in Sidey. And it is very enjoyable, when you finally sell that steaming pile of crap
Well your opinionated analysis of elder gamers serms to be based on nothing except your preconceptions of being older.
I am just your elder by seven years but my experience of retirees span a vast gamut of senile codgers to the most amazing thrillseekers you could imagine.
Your writing on this matter makes me think you hold on to a teenbased view on aging and isolated agebracket life.
You will propably come to see that with age the world doesn't slow down. It goes faster. And that which becomes important is the moments in the stream. And that fulfillment is not in what you do or experience, but how.
Youthculture fools people to believe that life happens up till you're 30 when in fact it really starts to happen once you outgrow childish behaviours and hangups and start living unhindered by wants and needs injected by commercial peer pressure.
I have close to 300 games on steam. I used to be a movie buff. But most just feels like pandering bull designed to thrive on short timewindows of fickle consumers. Games and movies and music of unique integrity is what holds my interest. All these voices trying to pose one thing against the other just feels like children trying to tell themselves they're in the right camp. Part of the cool gang.
Everything in Elite (imho) is just a system designed to let you fly your spaceship in infinity. So much whining about bugs or lack of content. I don't feel it. The bugs I encounter are so very minor. The game is solid. That's a opinion based on a insane amount of time spent playing games since I first tried Pong.
This game is awesome and hasn't ctd'd once for me. I do get bored sometimes but that might have something to do with spending so much time with it. When people complain about the game I just think they are spoiled kids with far to little things going on in their life, or refusing to deal with the things they should be doing in their life. But that's just my opinion too. What do I know.
Except that ED f'n rocks and I fear its dilution by pandering to unsound consumer rants.
It might be tied to a country of residence... Here (Poland) pension usually means that you have to juggle your meds and your bills and food just to stay alive, unless you prepared beforehand by saving, investing etc... And the level of life goes drastically down, too. So no, I don't know any thrillseeker seniors, sadly. What I see though, is that they started to embrace technology and social media and it's heartwarming to see.
My "analysis" also stems from the fact that my generation and previous ones were of the meaning "games are for kids" - this was prevalent school of thought around me. Gamer girls? Unicorns were less rare! Adult gamer? He (there were no "she") probably is a failure living with his parents still. And probably a virgin, too!
So yeah, that's what my "analysis" is based on. It might be cultural thing. Nowadays I have lots of gaming friends, both boys and girls, met through various online games. Times have changed, and it's a good thing.
Which takes me to the next point you raised, that this forum can be more childish than a pre-school bunch of kids. It's amazing, actually
Part of the reason I'm still lurking here, I like to engage in discussions from time to time. It's a form of passing time waiting for that DLC announcement of announcement ;-)And last but not least, IMHO E
cannot be diluted because there is not much to it in terms of mechanics. But that's my opinion. I had my share of bugs with it but these doesn't bother me that much (occupational hazard, bugs are my bread and butter). Though some do raise eyebrow - "matchmaking server error". In solo. SRSLY Content is what I'm after, atmos and legs for the sake of completenesses and I'll be a happy camper.Fly dangerously ;-) o7
I haven't seen anyone fine with Elites shortcomings. Obviously what those shortcomings are is down to the individual.
I think the difference is , is that some can work around the shortcomings and still enjoy the game while others struggle. Even the smallest bug seems to drive them into a rage.
I just logged in and played for a bit. Wandered abotu as usual, traded some mats, dropped into a few USS's. My normal things to do. Was decent fun as always.
However, I logged out after browsing a mission board, because I didn't see anything that interested me at all.
This didn't used to be a problem at all.
There were some source and return missions, with crazy numbers (probably wing missions)
Some source and return missions with realistic numbers, that paid less than the bounty on a single wanted ship.
Some data delivery missions (which are always just things to pick up along your way, these are fine, they do what they are meant to)
A LOAD of massacre missions, with either, numbers above 30 (way too much for me) or, if it was less than like... 60 ships, the pay was 100,000 or something.
Some wing assasination missions (assasinations have traditionalyl been my favourite mission type) with half decent looking payouts, if, they were the solo versions.
Solo assasination missions, with 100,000 payouts or less...
Black box salvage missions for like... a million credits. I mean, this would be fine, but makes no sense stacked against assasination missions. It's like they added a zero here, and took it from the other missions.
Now, I know that random is random, and I may have been unlucky today, however, it's seemed to be like this anywhere I go (allied or not) since the latest Beyond patch.
I never used to complain about missions, I used to love them, they were literally the thing I would do most of the time in game. I was often confused by people complaining about them.
Now... I just... dunno what to do. They tend to suck really.
However, I logged out after browsing a mission board, because I didn't see anything that interested me at all.
This didn't used to be a problem at all.
There were some source and return missions, with crazy numbers (probably wing missions)
Some source and return missions with realistic numbers, that paid less than the bounty on a single wanted ship.
Some data delivery missions (which are always just things to pick up along your way, these are fine, they do what they are meant to)
A LOAD of massacre missions, with either, numbers above 30 (way too much for me) or, if it was less than like... 60 ships, the pay was 100,000 or something.
Some wing assasination missions (assasinations have traditionalyl been my favourite mission type) with half decent looking payouts, if, they were the solo versions.
Solo assasination missions, with 100,000 payouts or less...
Black box salvage missions for like... a million credits. I mean, this would be fine, but makes no sense stacked against assasination missions. It's like they added a zero here, and took it from the other missions.
Now, I know that random is random, and I may have been unlucky today, however, it's seemed to be like this anywhere I go (allied or not) since the latest Beyond patch.
I never used to complain about missions, I used to love them, they were literally the thing I would do most of the time in game. I was often confused by people complaining about them.
Now... I just... dunno what to do. They tend to suck really.
It's written all over your post.
Either that or you're suffering from the modern disease of not being able to criticise without trashing.
Are you allied with the factions and did you check system state? Maybe you would have more luck in a different system.
Sorry for the off topic comment, but don't you think it might be time to change your avatar?
Sorry for the off topic comment, but don't you think it might be time to change your avatar?
No for two reasons:
- the macOS client is still working quite nicely, I'm strolling out to Colonia at the moment
- two platforms took part in the KickStarter, that won't ever change
You are fighting for a lost cause!No for two reasons:
- the macOS client is still working quite nicely, I'm strolling out to Colonia at the moment
- two platforms took part in the KickStarter, that won't ever change
I like ED fine as is - long as any updates don't break the game as it stands them I'm pretty happy - and I'm both old and certainly don't play casually - at least 4 hours most evenings and longer at weekends.
But if folk are looking for something else - or even if not then GoG have X rebirth: home of light complete edition on sale at the minute. Seems to have been patched up quite a bit as well.
https://www.gog.com/game/x_rebirth_home_of_light_complete_edition
But if folk are looking for something else - or even if not then GoG have X rebirth: home of light complete edition on sale at the minute. Seems to have been patched up quite a bit as well.
https://www.gog.com/game/x_rebirth_home_of_light_complete_edition
Main thing that concerns me is that we're now 2/3rds of the way through a year where FDev were going to "focus on sorting out the core gameplay" and I'm not really seeing any improvement to the core gameplay.
The main changes to core gameplay seem to have been the introduction of C&P - which seems to annoy almost everybody except the people who get their jollies by annoying other players - and the introduction, or continuation, of bugs in almost every aspect of the game I get involved in.
Seriously, if I had £1 for every time I've had to ask "is it a bug or a feature?" in the last month, I'd have enough for a 2nd account, including Horizons.
FDev are really putting all their eggs in one basket with 3.3, as far as I can see.
I hope they know what they're doing.
The main changes to core gameplay seem to have been the introduction of C&P - which seems to annoy almost everybody except the people who get their jollies by annoying other players - and the introduction, or continuation, of bugs in almost every aspect of the game I get involved in.
Seriously, if I had £1 for every time I've had to ask "is it a bug or a feature?" in the last month, I'd have enough for a 2nd account, including Horizons.
FDev are really putting all their eggs in one basket with 3.3, as far as I can see.
I hope they know what they're doing.
You're mistaken, I'm not fighting at all
You are upholding your avatar for a lost cause!
We also got the Engineers and Trading overhaul which addressed two issues people talked about all the time. And we still get the biggest update at the end of the year. And another small one in 1-2 months.