Modes On Chilling Out About the Modes

[Deleted member 38366]

IMHO :

Do I think Open provides the superior Elite experience and the chance to tell stories you just can't in Solo and Private Group?
No, absolutely not.

Reasons :
1) what a Player defines as "superior" varies dramatically as by personal preferences
2) each Mode has distinct Qualities and limitations, which' impact will vary with personal preference
3) there is no such as thing as "Mode X is the best"

Do I think it's lame to knowingly attack another player group's BgS or PowerPlay in Solo and Private Group?
No.

Reasons :
1) the BGS isn't called Background Sim for no reason
2) Players operating on another Platform will be just as invisible to i.e. a "PC/Open" Player as Players who operate during different times, as are Players who are simply not instanced (P2P limitations). By Game Design, not by mode choice.
2a) it wouldn't make sense for a Player in "PC - Open" hence to be called "lame" by attacking the BGS/PowerPlay of a PG or different Platform BGS Group either.
3) the BGS doesn't work nor doesn't care about which Mode is used and any attack can be countered regardless of Mode or Platform via normal BGS activities as it always has been
3a) as there is no "Mission Scanner", even interdicting and isolating a BGS Ship wouldn't yield anything useful. That guy could be running Missions for others just as Missions for your Faction. You couldn't tell. Doesn't work.

Will I still get fired up and want to slap everyone I see?
No. There's virtually no reason to, unless you want to create a crapton of problems for yourself. Or represent some aggressive Ganker Group maybe. It'd still be utterly ineffective.
Plus "slap everyone" isn't a 1-way road, you'd merely end up getting slapped yourself.
Very poor approach to the BGS. (the SDC tried multiple times - and failed every single time in the most spectacular fashion possible. Not recommended. At all.)

Plus, even if you could... "slapping everyone you see" = mindless, stupor Ganking. One of the reasons Open Play has depopulated and fragmented as far as it did already.

Going forward what I'll try to do is promote Open Play in the interest of encouraging satisfying game play for everyone. I want to share what I love about Open Play, first and foremost.

Remember the 11th amendment : Thou shalt keep your Religion to yourself!
The Forum has seen thousands of "I love Open play - and because I do, so should you!" primitive logical fallacies. Several times it got so bad this spam harmed Open Play population far more than it helped.
Plus, there's the ever-fitting and always the same pattern of... how do I put it? "less than stellar intellect" being demonstrated by most "Open only!" advocates. It's like a universal constant with them.
Extremely often, their repetitive (long debunked) arguments and general spammy behavior indicates extremely simple minded thought patterns. Very constant trend there and certainly not helping to "advocate Open Play".
It's best to leave that to Frontier. Only they can truly advocate by getting things right and making something attractive.

Old rule of the road : enjoy what you like - but don't spam it. Others enjoy other things, the most normal thing in life. Learn to accept it with dignity.

PS.
I'm a "PC/Open" guy.
The difference however :
- I don't advertise or advocate it to anyone
- I don't attempt to belittle or denounce others just because they use a different mode. That's none of my business.
- I don't spam the Forum about it.
- I leave others alone to make their own choices. I made mine, so others have the exact same right to make theirs. It's not a 1-way road.
- Neither I nor any other "Open Play" participant is "special" in any way. No special snowflakes.

 

[znôrt]

Is that a fish goatie?

nope, a micro spoiler with a dubious paint job.

 

[Jockey79]

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1. Not your call to make. If Open is open (ptp) to promotion, so are other modes....

This is what cracks me up, I've been part of these forums since Nov 2014 and back then some folks were screaming everyone "had" to play open mode because they said so.
Yet the moment someone suggests PG / Solo, all hell breaks loose from the Open Only crowd because they think they are the only ones allowed to recommend a mode for people to play in.

And yet they have the majority of players and are still not happy.

 

[Marra Morgan]

What you have to be careful is that you don't alienate your target audience by dissing the play style they are currently engaged in. That detracts from your effort since it will put them on the defensive.

Absolutely, I wholly agree.

I can have the same experience in Mobius, or a PG. Not having to deal with the deranged kiddies found in open is just icing on the cake IMO.

Ah. It seems wrmiller isn't on the same page as us, though.

Yet the moment someone suggests PG / Solo, all hell breaks loose from the Open Only crowd because they think they are the only ones allowed to recommend a mode for people to play in.

Extremists usually have a tendency to break hell loose, no matter what they are advocating. No "Open Only crowd" in this thread though. It's more about being chilled with the modes as they are and not getting rowdy about wanting to change them.

 

[Jockey79]

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Extremists usually have a tendency to break hell loose, no matter what they are advocating. No "Open Only crowd" in this thread though. It's more about being chilled with the modes as they are and not getting rowdy about wanting to change them.

Not sure you can say this thread is "chilled" when the OP calls people in other modes "lame" (despite playing the game as advertised by Frontier since the very start of the Kickstarter in 2012) and claiming open is "superior" when Frontier said all modes are equal.

This thread seems more like a veiled way of insulting part of the player base without incurring the wrath of the mods for basic trolling.
Now if the thread promoted open without being arrogant / insulting towards those it supposed to be nudging towards open mode, I'd agree.

I play all 3 modes and tbh I get more and better social interactions in Mobius (or other busy PGs) than I ever have in Open.
Open mode, people see that hollow square, soil themselves and run away. At least in Mobius (or any other busy PG) people stick around for a chat or even wing up.
The only downside I've had playing in busy PGs is when I'm in a hurry and keep getting "Docking request denied" - due to how busy it is in some areas.

I also don't see the need for Open advocates to keep making new thread after new thread after new thread about how great open is or some other lame excuse to harp on about open.
They sound like those Vegans who never ever shut up about being Vegans, because the whole world needs to know they are Vegans as their life is sooo much better being Vegan and everyone should be Vegan.
No one cares. Really, we don't. Open has the majority of players, so just leave everyone else alone to play how they want and stop telling us your Vegan... I mean Open only.

(The hidden joke in this post is, two months ago I converted. I'm now a Vegan. Lost 3st (42Lbs / 19Kg) though, so well happy )

 

[Bigmaec]

Not sure you can say this thread is "chilled" when the OP calls people in other modes "lame" (despite playing the game as advertised by Frontier since the very start of the Kickstarter in 2012) and claiming open is "superior" when Frontier said all modes are equal.

This thread seems more like a veiled way of insulting part of the player base without incurring the wrath of the mods for basic trolling.
Now if the thread promoted open without being arrogant / insulting towards those it supposed to be nudging towards open mode, I'd agree.

I play all 3 modes and tbh I get more and better social interactions in Mobius (or other busy PGs) than I ever have in Open.
Open mode, people see that hollow square, soil themselves and run away. At least in Mobius (or any other busy PG) people stick around for a chat or even wing up.
The only downside I've had playing in busy PGs is when I'm in a hurry and keep getting "Docking request denied" - due to how busy it is in some areas.

I also don't see the need for Open advocates to keep making new thread after new thread after new thread about how great open is or some other lame excuse to harp on about open.
They sound like those Vegans who never ever shut up about being Vegans, because the whole world needs to know they are Vegans as their life is sooo much better being Vegan and everyone should be Vegan.
No one cares. Really, we don't. Open has the majority of players, so just leave everyone else alone to play how they want and stop telling us your Vegan... I mean Open only.

(The hidden joke in this post is, two months ago I converted. I'm now a Vegan. Lost 3st (42Lbs / 19Kg) though, so well happy )

He didn't though. He called attacking other PMFs from PG lame, and he marked it clearly as his own opinion ("I think"), as well as saying he thinks open is superior...

I agree on the interaction in Mobius, it is far more chill and "talkative" then open. But dang I want to gank people in Mobius sometimes for padblocking or other stupidities

 

[Marra Morgan]

Not sure you can say this thread is "chilled" when the OP calls people in other modes "lame" (despite playing the game as advertised by Frontier since the very start of the Kickstarter in 2012)

He was very specific about that:

Do I think it's lame to knowingly attack another player group's BgS or PowerPlay in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Sure, it can be frustrating. I would prefer to battle an opposing group who has made an agreement to do their actions in Open because it gives us opportunity to meet face-to-face and have some fun! But no matter what we wish, some may take issue with us and choose to keep their actions out of Open, which is entirely their choice and I'm fine with that. I'm a fairly competent BGS General and I'm quite capable of directing a defence against such an attack - it's just pushing more numbers than them at the end of the day!

and claiming open is "superior" when Frontier said all modes are equal.

In his experience, and mine, it has offered us a superior experience than PG or Solo. You say that PG gives you the superior explerience? Great! We're all choosing the right mode that gives us the best enjoyment - that was Frontier's intention, I believe?

This thread seems more like a veiled way of insulting part of the player base without incurring the wrath of the mods for basic trolling.

Oh - I thought it was a refreshingly honest and open post expressing how he feels about the modes. Of course, I have a bias because Phisto is my friend and fellow officer in Loren's Legion. I'm sure you have your biases too.

But anyway, other than a couple of exceptions the discourse in this thread has been fairly positive and an enjoyable read so far!

 

[Toatz]

>someone calls ganking lame

>accuses them of being a troll and calling a play mode lame

Maybe this time Jockey you take the L and admit you misread what he posted.

 

[Rampant]

Calling other peoples legitimate play styles "lame" and saying your chosen mode is "superior" does not help you promote Open Mode.
It just reinforces the stereotype that open is full arrogant / selfish people, which will put some folks off open right away.
Plus it also makes us wonder what type of people Loren's Legion is made up with, as we can assume your are all of similar personalities.

So all you've achieved by being derogatory to other players and modes, you've made open look bad, your guild look bad and yourself look bad.
Now if you'd try to promote open without the mode snobbery attitude and without insulting others, you may actually encourage people to move to Open Mode.

Jockey dude.

In the past you have authored some of the most thought provoking posts on this forum and I always try to rep your insight and objective observations.

However, this time you have surpassed yourself. I salute you. This post is, -probably-, in my own humble opinion, of course, your most poignant script of all.

Yours Aye

Mark H

 

[Rampant]

This is the "being thick on purpose" argument method, isn't it?

Technical term = "deliberately obtuse".

Yes.
Yes, it would appear that it is...


To be fair - It's quite right to say that "There is nothing wrong with getting blown up". On the other hand, there is also nothing wrong with menu logging...
Personally, I'm chilled the hell out about both.
However, I imagine you'll find that most players are either in one camp or the other, and not normally both. For every player that thinks it's fine to menu log, you'll find another who thinks otherwise and won't hesitate to hurl abuse and accusations of combat logging.
And for every player that thinks that it's fine to get blown up, you'll find another that doesn't particularly enjoy losing many hours of progress from the leisure time they've invested into a particular goal...

Yours Aye

Mark H

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

And that's what I do - if I'm in the mood. I'd like to ask around how many Open only advocates would do the same when they do their trade runs in Solo. I'm probably not the only one but I'm pretty sure the answer would be "not all too many".

But - and here's my point - is a risk voluntarily taken some sort of a minor risk?

It strikes me that we both have Pythons used for mission running and, while our usual mode choice is different, we face the exact same situation with that NPC Anaconda. If I’m in Legion space, I’ll usually engage in hopes of scoring a bounty to turn in. Outside of Legion space I’ll usually just evade unless I’m just itching for some action.

If a player were involved I’d be flying very defensively the moment I saw them and my fight or flight decision would be extremely fast.

In the end though we’re both able to tailor the game to the kind of experience we want. I’m trying to focus on that more than before and not give people a hard time over something that’s pretty stupid.

Maybe it’s a matter of ‘Opener’ becoming ‘I’m experienced in the nuances of this particular mode and can clearly articulate that for the benefit of others should they desire that from me.’

I hope folks like Jockey and Rampant can see what I’m saying here. If not, that’s ok too.

 

[00nutzy]

Open mode can be a lot of fun or it can stick in your craw, sometimes it does both on the same login. Of course this is true of any mode.
I like all three modes myself, my opinion on open is:

Its worth trying out for yourself, all the posts and salt on display in the forums can be guides for you: however, until you try it out for yourself you cant know for sure. Of course if you choose not to thats perfectly fine as well.

There is a plugin for EDMC that can help with situational awareness in open and lots of well meaning advice available (its actual usefulness is in question) and a lot of it is just trolls being macho or whatever you want to call it.

With that said open isnt in my opinion a superior experience, just different and since everyone is different thats serendipitous.

Pretty much anything you can say about open you can say about pgs and as long as other people are involved your experiences will be varied, not only on who you decide to play with but also many other factors its also definitely worth experiencing for yourself at least once.

Solo is worth experiencing if only for the highres screen shots you can take. The ai denizens are the the same across all the modes and without other players you are the only one that affects your playtime, and in my experience i am fully capable of ruining my own enjoyment.

If you dont like a mode, dont play in it, you might (just might) want to check back in at a later time if you want, they will be here for a long time.

Most important thing is to not let others convince you you are doing it wrong!

 

[wrmiller]

For the record, I find the term 'deranged kiddies' to be no more insulting than the term 'carebears' that gets thrown around here almost daily. Nor am I championing one mode over another. As I've said before, play the way you want. Just don't complain about it.

To appease the offended, I will no longer use that phrase. But as soon as I see the carebear term again, I will come up with something else.

 

[00nutzy]

For the record, I find the term 'deranged kiddies' to be no more insulting than the term 'carebears' that gets thrown around here almost daily. Nor am I championing one mode over another. As I've said before, play the way you want. Just don't complain about it.

To appease the offended, I will no longer use that phrase. But as soon as I see the carebear term again, I will come up with something else.

Running the risk of sounding like a Scooby Doo villain you could use "meddling kids"

Or the ever popular "Get off my Lawn!!!"
<g>

 

[Pyrotiger]

Besides, who cares what I think?

You said it.

Solo FTW.

 

[wrmiller]

Running the risk of sounding like a Scooby Doo villain you could use "meddling kids"

Or the ever popular "Get off my Lawn!!!"
<g>

Repped. And thanks.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Does that mean you are opposed to the OP's sentiment?

edit: how about your own?

2 things,

1. Not your call to make. If Open is open (ptp) to promotion, so are other modes
2. It depends on the post in question. When the post asks for advice how to handle opponents in Open, suggesting PG is not very helpful. But despite popular (in the PvP section of the forum) belief those PG advices are rare. They are usually posted when someone complains CMDRs are blowing them up during CGs, or something like that.

To address your edit:

1 I didn't suggest I had any authority, it's just a logical and pointed suggestion.
It is just common courtesy as well.
As I later wrote people are entitled to do all sorts of silly things, that they should not.

2 I already laid out the specifics of my objection, so we don't need to entertain all your hypothetical situations.
It is in the section you quoted.

I object to people always suggesting people play in PG when they come for advice about open.
If you don't play in open or don't have something relevant to offer ("Just play in Mobius!" doesn't count.), then just butt out.
Pretty simple to me.

Try to stay on point please...

Funny how you don't object to people coming in here to malign PVPers, on a pro PVP thread.
Do you ever see that in PG threads?

I seriously don't know, because I don't even read them.
That people always feel so inclined to chime in about how awful PVP/open is, when they don't do or even enjoy the activity, it suggests some pretty poor things about those people.

That's all.
And it should be pointed out, for the gentle readers who don't know better.

I used to be one.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Technical term = "deliberately obtuse".

Yes.
Yes, it would appear that it is...


To be fair - It's quite right to say that "There is nothing wrong with getting blown up". On the other hand, there is also nothing wrong with menu logging...

I am paraphrasing FDev, so who exactly is being obtuse here?

 

[Marra Morgan]

For the record, I find the term 'deranged kiddies' to be no more insulting than the term 'carebears' that gets thrown around here almost daily. Nor am I championing one mode over another. As I've said before, play the way you want. Just don't complain about it.

To appease the offended, I will no longer use that phrase. But as soon as I see the carebear term again, I will come up with something else.

You're the first person to mention "carebears" in this thread, which has been a positive discussion for the better part.

Let's keep it that way and not drag any of the name-calling from other threads into it

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

You're the first person to mention "carebears" in this thread, which has been a positive discussion for the better part.

Let's keep it that way and not drag any of the name-calling from other threads into it

To be fair I did it first in this thread, but it was with quotes and text to indicate the "lack of a better term".
But I didn't use it as an insult to anyone.