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So...what tech cannot handle walking around on planets? Is it your game engine? Your back end servers? Because its not your players PC's and consoles. Huge open land masses are not exactly revolutionary tech. And its not like you have to load the whole planet just because we are walking on a part of it.

So you have basically admitted what I suspected all along: Your tech isnt capable of delivering on the things you promised you could deliver. Which means you either:

A. Knowingly lied, OR
B. Made a bunch of promises without first ascertaining your technological capacity for delivery (which means you still basically lied)

I'm not trying to be offensive here. I really am not. But this feels like being told, "Sorry, we know we promised, or at least continually expressed interest in, delivering these sorts of things, but...you know, that was before we bothered to discover that we, you know, couldn't.

"Oops. Sorry about that. Here's some RNG grind while we continue to researching dinosaur movements."

What a strange post. If their technology (=engine) would currently be able to have atmospheric worlds and walking around, we would currently be able to land on atmospheric planets and walk around. You do realise that this stuff needs to be programmed and implemented?
 
Read a little deeper into what he said and compare it to what we know is coming with 3.3 regarding Guardian SLFs.



No one is spreading doom and gloom. The posters here are simply discussing the future of the game and what they believe that to look like. At the end of the day, you're not entitled to a forum experience free of negativity or criticism.

Thing is, some people are constantly claiming that the game is dying and that FDEV abandoned it in this very thread. In other words, you are wrong.
 
Listen to them by all means, just listen to all of it don't blank out things like "we plan" "we intend" or "we would like".

Make your decision based on the game itself as it exists. Space legs and atmo would be nice, but they were not in the game I bought they are just planned future additions. I'd like them if it proves possible but it's not really a big deal either way.



Which is why you base them on what the game is, not what you want it to be.

No. I base my opinion on the game on what the game is. I base my expectation about what the game is going to be on what the dev says it's going to be. Specially on a topic about the game's future...
Here is what they said they want to put in the game ( not what I want it to be) :
Landing/ driving / prospecting on airless rocky planets, moons & asteroids
Walking around interiors and combative boarding of other ships
Combat and other interactions with other players and AIs in the internal areas of star ports
Accessing richly detailed planetary surfaces
Availability of giant ‘executive control’ ships to players

That's what I base my expectations on...
So as I said it's hard to have precise expectations about games future when we don't know about : Premium content for 2018, 2019 content...
 
Yeah, there's that thing where customers get stuck between marketing and reality.

"Realistically", what would the Kickstarter description have looked like? "We're going to build a game where you fly a spaceship and do stuff. And then, time and money permitting, we'll go more or less wild, here's some concept art and David talking, try not to get hypnotised. Risks: may go terribly wrong in every way, and there's every chance we'll fold before the thing gets out the door."

Would you have bought into it? :D

That's actually pretty much what they said. The newsletter with the LEP announcement was posted earlier in this thread and they made it pretty clear that future development will depend on the success of the game. It's just something that people ignored because they don't want to hear it.
 
Unfortunately, I cannot give such numbers of our player base. Not exactly privy to such data.

As for Lifetime Expansion Pass content, that sort of news will generally come from Ed and people higher up the chain than I.



I assume you're referring to this section of the newsletter?



If so, I believe we still intend to have such features in the future. Especially when technology can properly handle such content.

Thanks for your kind reply.

No problem about the data: I understand it.

If I may I would you ask you a favor.

Please, could you be so kind to "turn" my question to those who can answer and tell me (us) what Fd is doing about Lep content and when they think to deliver it? Honestly it has passed a lot of times since the last update and I would gladly appreciate some news about it.

About newsletter, yes it was that what I was talking about: thanks again for the answer even if - but I am not going to discuss here - it troubles me a bit and confirm my fears

[smile]
 
No. I base my opinion on the game on what the game is. I base my expectation about what the game is going to be on what the dev says it's going to be. Specially on a topic about the game's future...
Here is what they said they want to put in the game :
Landing/ driving / prospecting on airless rocky planets, moons & asteroids
Walking around interiors and combative boarding of other ships
Combat and other interactions with other players and AIs in the internal areas of star ports
Accessing richly detailed planetary surfaces
Availability of giant ‘executive control’ ships to players

That's what I base my expectations on...
So as I said it's hard to have precise expectations about wht's coming when we don't know about : Premium content for 2018, 2019 content...

Exactly "They want" that's not a certainty, and it doesn't come with a timescale. Wait and see.
 
That's actually pretty much what they said. The newsletter with the LEP announcement was posted earlier in this thread and they made it pretty clear that future development will depend on the success of the game. It's just something that people ignored because they don't want to hear it.

They also keep saying the game has a lot of success...
 
They also keep saying the game has a lot of success...

It does. That's why FD decided to do Beyond before rolling out any additional premium DLCs - because they can afford it. Game is doing that well.

I think lot of people mix up two things. Presumingly slow development - which is highly subjective because there's nothing really to compare against. There are no projects at scope of ED. No measurement we can match against. And FD plans for ED. Yes, FD have plans for ED. They still keep developing it.

If you don't believe it, fine. If you don't believe direction they take with game, also fine. But that doesn't mean FD is lying.
 
It does. That's why FD decided to do Beyond before rolling out any additional premium DLCs - because they can afford it. Game is doing that well.

I think lot of people mix up two things. Presumingly slow development - which is highly subjective because there's nothing really to compare against. There are no projects at scope of ED. No measurement we can match against. And FD plans for ED. Yes, FD have plans for ED. They still keep developing it.

If you don't believe it, fine. If you don't believe direction they take with game, also fine. But that doesn't mean FD is lying.

Read my previous message...
 
I know, that's why I don't think it's unrealistic to wait for the Kickstarter (or after) promises to materialise.

Sure. We all are waiting, and heck I will give FD hell if they don't give us plan forward this autumn. Just for release dates and schedules usual rules of being patient applies.

Read my previous message...

I did, with delay though. Also last sentence wasn't meant for you really, it was about whole setup of discussion.
 
They also keep saying the game has a lot of success...

And they keep saying they want to add space legs and atmospheric planets and already announced executive control over large ships for the end of the year which happens to be one of the Kickstarter promises they allegedly don't deliver.
 
It does. That's why FD decided to do Beyond before rolling out any additional premium DLCs - because they can afford it. Game is doing that well.

I think lot of people mix up two things. Presumingly slow development - which is highly subjective because there's nothing really to compare against. There are no projects at scope of ED. No measurement we can match against. And FD plans for ED. Yes, FD have plans for ED. They still keep developing it.

If you don't believe it, fine. If you don't believe direction they take with game, also fine. But that doesn't mean FD is lying.
I'm always wary of the argument of scope with ED. Especially considering most of the actual gameplay is concentrated in a handful of systems. The rest is pretty uniform mechanically.
 
...Especially when technology can properly handle such content.

Are you honestly saying, that graphics cards that now handle trillions of Ray-Ops per second, aren't enough? If the RTX series of GPUs isn't enough, what would you consider the point at which Frontier can deliver on their promises? Is this a technological barrier on the consumer side or on the infrastructure side? I'm genuinely curious as to why you added that caveat, because it's something I'm surprised to hear. We have an astounding level of technological progress being made, explaining what barriers you're facing would go a long way to mending the discord from a general lack of openness.
 
Are you honestly saying, that graphics cards that now handle trillions of Ray-Ops per second, aren't enough? If the RTX series of GPUs isn't enough, what would you consider the point at which Frontier can deliver on their promises? Is this a technological barrier on the consumer side or on the infrastructure side? I'm genuinely curious as to why you added that caveat, because it's something I'm surprised to hear. We have an astounding level of technological progress being made, explaining what barriers you're facing would go a long way to mending the discord from a general lack of openness.

That's High end specs, not even released yet. The game as to run on consoles.

Also we don't know if we talk about cobra engine or hardware
 

Brett C

Frontier
Are you honestly saying, that graphics cards that now handle trillions of Ray-Ops per second, aren't enough? If the RTX series of GPUs isn't enough, what would you consider the point at which Frontier can deliver on their promises? Is this a technological barrier on the consumer side or on the infrastructure side? I'm genuinely curious as to why you added that caveat, because it's something I'm surprised to hear. We have an astounding level of technological progress being made, explaining what barriers you're facing would go a long way to mending the discord from a general lack of openness.

Reply previously was more so of past-tense rather the upcoming generation (and soon to be current) of GPU's.
 

rootsrat

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Oh no! Another one of those "game is dead" threads!

Seriously though, no point in posting those anymore guys. We all know this game has been dead since 1984 and all it was doing for the last 34 years was just convulsing. And we are all here to witness the end. Because the end must be nigh, right? It's been foretold by so many people it MUST BE TRUE.

[squeeeee]
 
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