Not IF but WHY discussion around modes in the BGS

At least in open you have the chance to defend yourself against the people doing things to your faction.

i think this is a statement worth exploring in more detail, with an example, to work through.

That90'skid, please set the table by describing a scenario where you feel helpless to defend your faction. then we can work through that scenario and discuss the strategy and tactics, if any, to combat the threat.
 
i think this is a statement worth exploring in more detail, with an example, to work through.

That90'skid, please set the table by describing a scenario where you feel helpless to defend your faction. then we can work through that scenario and discuss the strategy and tactics, if any, to combat the threat.

Uh-oh!
 
Sure they have. Just after the notion of making PP open only, they insisted that the BGS wouldn't meet the same fate, then shortly after that they came back, again, with the idea of incentivizing PP in open. A major step back. Then Sandro went so far as to remind everyone that these are just ideas to be brain-stormed on and not to expect any changes in the near future. Backpedaling at it's finest.

BGS is probably getting reworked and we dont know about it. We we kind of do Braben said BGS changes were coming on reddit a while back. But not in the way we think.

Between that and the unbalanced 1 click transactions that havnt been touched yet. The BGS very well might not be affected and we get something added for player factions and squadrons and stuff.

Right now the BGS is geared for the single player.

Im not sure if people will understand this. But because the BGS is transaction based and the way Crime and Punishment was before(based around the BGS.) It worked well for the single player. But a lot has changed.

Players groups are using single player framework on a adversarial multiplayer playing field. The only thing that was connected was the markets and the influences.

Over time player groups, stations and even some balancing of the BGS was done. There have been multiple bandaids for the BGS over time. All because of players intentionally affecting one another.

The BGS will continue to change around that.

They arent back peddling. If anything they have left Flash Topic Focused Feedback up so people finally warm up to the idea that they are going to follow through. And they wont be surprised when it happens.

The BGS between player faction is still players affecting players. Just like powerplay. All of the Colonia Region has a player faction in it. Using the single player framework in a multiplayer environment. Its only a matter of time before it changes.

This is why people dont understand Crime and Punishment right now. However if people would grow a set of balls. And play the BGS in open against each other constantly. You would see that the crime and punishment is geared towards player interaction. Just like the ATR and its delay timer.

The delay timer is there for people to still have the interaction before help arrives. They aren't going to completely remove that interaction .

If you look at the game, the mechanics, the modules and the gameplay itself. You can see whats needed to make this work.

And sooner or later, whether you like it or not.

They're going to balance the multiplayer part of this game. And yes, its going to involve attacking and defending with kill-warrant scanners, FSD interrupt missiles, Hatch breaker limpets and so on.
 
BGS is probably getting reworked and we dont know about it. We we kind of do Braben said BGS changes were coming on reddit a while back. But not in the way we think.

Between that and the unbalanced 1 click transactions that havnt been touched yet. The BGS very well might not be affected and we get something added for player factions and squadrons and stuff.

Right now the BGS is geared for the single player.

Im not sure if people will understand this. But because the BGS is transaction based and the way Crime and Punishment was before(based around the BGS.) It worked well for the single player. But a lot has changed.

Players groups are using single player framework on a adversarial multiplayer playing field. The only thing that was connected was the markets and the influences.

Over time player groups, stations and even some balancing of the BGS was done. There have been multiple bandaids for the BGS over time. All because of players intentionally affecting one another.

The BGS will continue to change around that.

They arent back peddling. If anything they have left Flash Topic Focused Feedback up so people finally warm up to the idea that they are going to follow through. And they wont be surprised when it happens.

The BGS between player faction is still players affecting players. Just like powerplay. All of the Colonia Region has a player faction in it. Using the single player framework in a multiplayer environment. Its only a matter of time before it changes.

This is why people dont understand Crime and Punishment right now. However if people would grow a set of balls. And play the BGS in open against each other constantly. You would see that the crime and punishment is geared towards player interaction. Just like the ATR and its delay timer.

The delay timer is there for people to still have the interaction before help arrives. They aren't going to completely remove that interaction .

If you look at the game, the mechanics, the modules and the gameplay itself. You can see whats needed to make this work.

And sooner or later, whether you like it or not.

They're going to balance the multiplayer part of this game. And yes, its going to involve attacking and defending with kill-warrant scanners, FSD interrupt missiles, Hatch breaker limpets and so on.

Dreams. Just for a goof. Go here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/234-Beyond-Series-Focused-Feedback and read just Sandro's responses to the PP changes. (Just click on the little red Elite emblems.) The Flash Topics. And while you're at it. Look at the sequence of the two PP threads. You will see that FD have not entertained any changes to access to the BGS, and have fallen back from OOPP, to an Weighted Open for PP weeks after they proposed OOPP.

You're tendency to push 'read between the lines' arguments created in your own head and/or bubble of friends carries very little weight when faced with the responses of the developers.
 
i think this is a statement worth exploring in more detail, with an example, to work through.

That90'skid, please set the table by describing a scenario where you feel helpless to defend your faction. then we can work through that scenario and discuss the strategy and tactics, if any, to combat the threat.

Ive already been through this 1000 times.

But here is a video showing we took Alberta back from MCRN. After this video was made. And I got tired of how unbalanced this was. The war over this same system went on for over a year.

Frontier or even some logs on Alberta can back that up.

Anyways, here ya go.

[video=youtube;9tobMVjSMnQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tobMVjSMnQ[/video]

BTW, his AFK blocking the pad in open. Is worse than sitting at a star waiting for someone in open play.


WHat do you mean uh-oh.

Already got it covered :)
 
Ive already been through this 1000 times.

But here is a video showing we took Alberta back from MCRN. After this video was made. And I got tired of how unbalanced this was. The war over this same system went on for over a year.

Frontier or even some logs on Alberta can back that up.

Anyways, here ya go.



BTW, his AFK blocking the pad in open. Is worse than sitting at a star waiting for someone in open play.

Lol, the Boogey-man is back.
 
Its not the same guy. See you dont even pay attention or know anything about whats happening here.

You're so mixed up in trying to forum PVP. You gone off and made yourself look even worse.

But if you want to see that guy, by all means, that video suits this thread.

All of them do here Ill post them.

[video=youtube;cnYXTh4TCVo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo[/video]

[video=youtube;f3jCC13prXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jCC13prXo[/video]

[video=youtube;sDWW7Hk6sak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDWW7Hk6sak[/video]

Give these a look and have a think.

This is why people are asking for this stuff to be changed. And its not like we couldn't ever instance with the guy. He knows we could.

Again, evidence at your feet. And most of you will turn your nose up at it because you dont want to be defended against.

Time for that to come to an end.
 
Its not the same guy. See you dont even pay attention or know anything about whats happening here.

You're so mixed up in trying to forum PVP. You gone off and made yourself look even worse.

But if you want to see that guy, by all means, that video suits this thread.

All of them do here Ill post them.







Give these a look and have a think.

This is why people are asking for this stuff to be changed. And its not like we couldn't ever instance with the guy.

Again, evidence at your feet. And most of you will turn your nose up at it because you dont want to be defended against.

Time for that to come to an end.

Uh-Oh! Again. The Boogey-man can multiply. Lol. So much for explaining why you can't defend yourselves. You are too busy making silly videos with zero context. It's as laughable now, as when you first trotted these videos out.
 
Uh-Oh! Again. The Boogey-man can multiply. Lol. So much for explaining why you can't defend yourselves. You are too busy making silly videos with zero context. It's as laughable now, as when you first trotted these videos out.

Context is there. I couldnt have made the silly video without the context. Jesus christ whats wrong with people on these forums.
 
Context is there. I couldnt have made the silly video without the context. Jesus christ whats wrong with people on these forums.

We are just not moved by your boogey-man. We know it's stupidly easy to defend yourself from the Boogey-man, especially with a group behind you. This guy is trolling you so hard, yet you want us to take it seriously. Not in this Galaxy, Kid, not in this Galaxy.
 
Is that so? Then tell me when a group of 10 people wants to put a system into lockdown, how does the other player prevent this? can he do anything to counter that? AFAIk, only trying to prevent those players form shooting down these factions vessels (and maybe eventually driving those players away) would prevent or delay the lockdown.
.

But why would a state that is being triggered by killing ships / criminal activity be prevented by killing player ships. And, if these other persons mean it, they will set you and your friends on an ignore list and you never see them. Or what if you are on PC and they play on Xbox? Then you will never see them.

So while i now understand your issue better, "Open Only" is still not the solution to it. Maybe better information about states and state buckets, maybe better ways to prevent lockdown before it goes pending. But forcing Open will nit help you against an resourceful and dedicated opponent.

Plus: It will force You into Open, too....
 
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We are just not moved by your boogey-man. We know it's stupidly easy to defend yourself from the Boogey-man, especially with a group behind you. This guy is trolling you so hard, yet you want us to take it seriously. Not in this Galaxy, Kid, not in this Galaxy.

Luckily I dont give a crap if you like it or not. Its not you I have to convince. However, I dont mind showing the nuances of this problem.

That reason in those videos is why powerplay is being changed. That video shows why people have been asking for BGS changes. Pure legit evidence of it.

Other player groups made the proposal. And this is an extension of that proposal Jane was a part of.

Im trying to show my end on why those changes need to happen. You can "not buy" all you'd like.

But if that video was of someone getting murdered in a store. And it showed the killer like it shows in his videos. Those videos would be played in court and the guy would be sentenced to death for murder.

There is no denying whats going on in those videos. And why people want these changes.
 
Luckily I dont give a crap if you like it or not. Its not you I have to convince. However, I dont mind showing the nuances of this problem.

That reason in those videos is why powerplay is being changed. That video shows why people have been asking for BGS changes. Pure legit evidence of it.

Other player groups made the proposal. And this is an extension of that proposal Jane was a part of.

Im trying to show my end on why those changes need to happen. You can "not buy" all you'd like.

But if that video was of someone getting murdered in a store. And it showed the killer like it shows in his videos. Those videos would be played in court and the guy would be sentenced to death for murder.

There is no denying whats going on in those videos. And why people want these changes.

That guy was/is pressing your buttons for a laugh. You give him a giggle every time you post those ridiculous videos. It's just the same as when a player writes a post about getting ganked. All it does is chuff up the gankers. Lol.

If you and your group can't handle a single boogey-man like that, making everything open only won't be able to help you. Seriously, the only one threatened by that guy is you.
 
That guy was/is pressing your buttons for a laugh. You give him a giggle every time you post those ridiculous videos. It's just the same as when a player writes a post about getting ganked. All it does is chuff up the gankers. Lol.

If you and your group can't handle a single boogey-man like that, making everything open only won't be able to help you. Seriously, the only one threatened by that guy is you.

Like he was giggling here?

https://clips.twitch.tv/EndearingElegantJamPeteZaroll

Show him this and ask him if hes still giggling. While he tried to stream snipe me in another game. Refreshed servers until he found the one I was in. Then joined my game, and my team.

Shame we had to interact in another game. Instead of this one.
 
Like he was giggling here?

https://clips.twitch.tv/EndearingElegantJamPeteZaroll

Show him this and ask him if hes still giggling. While he tried to stream snipe me in another game. Refreshed servers until he found the one I was in. Then joined my game, and my team.

Shame we had to interact in another game. Instead of this one.

I don't know why E|D needs to change because you have a fan. Again, in E|D that single guy can't make a dent in a Faction with an entire group behind it. He jusy has your number, and calls it up when he wants. The best thing is, you jump to be beat every time. This is not evidence of an E|D problem, it's evidence of a gamer problem. In E|D the tools are there, from any mode, to defend your Faction.
 
This is why people dont understand Crime and Punishment right now. However if people would grow a set of balls. And play the BGS in open against each other constantly. You would see that the crime and punishment is geared towards player interaction. Just like the ATR and its delay timer.

I prefer to play the BGS with my brain. Playing with my balls is in no way connected to Elite.

If you look at the game, the mechanics, the modules and the gameplay itself. You can see whats needed to make this work.

We all do this. Yet our results are different from yours.
 
I don't know why E|D needs to change because you have a fan. Again, in E|D that single guy can't make a dent in a Faction with an entire group behind it. He jusy has your number, and calls it up when he wants. The best thing it, you just to be beat every time. This is not evidence of an E|D problem, it's evidence of a gamer problem. In E|D the tools are there, from any mode, to defend your Faction.

Without going into great detail, him and his small group abused the system pretty hard. Major changes to the BGS was changed behind the scenes because of it. And its a reason the ATR is in the game to stop people from farming cops in an instance.

Since it doesnt work anymore.

I can tell you how this was achieved.

You could go into an instance. Use a cutter with all turreted lasers. Kill all but 1 of the cops, an Eagle, you Regen shields faster than it can dmg you. Then more cops would arrive and you could basically AFK.

Now ATR has turret guns. They can come in and nuke your shields pretty quick. but on a time limit so you can still make an impact.

But you cant afk in a instance anymore.

Why do you guys think healing beams were so . And you can still do this within crime scenes in powerplay. And the ATR wont ever show up. Because its powerplay.

There were some other no floor techniques he was using that got patched out as well. The BGS is VERY VERY imbalanced when it comes to player group vs player group.

There are somethings you just dont know about, and there are other things you just dont have the experience in that anyone could get the experience in. And it shows.

I suggest for once, you get off the forums. And go learn the damn game.
 
BGS open only. HAHAHA What a joke. Learn to play the game.
Even worse than the open only power play crowd. Combat will solve nothing towards bgs or power play.
But hey. Go for it.
 
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But why would a state that is being triggered by killing ships / criminal activity be prevented by killing player ships. And, if these other persons mean it, they will set you and your friends on an ignore list and you never see them. Or what if you are on PC and they play on Xbox? Then you will never see them.

So while i now understand your issue better, "Open Only" is still not the solution to it. Maybe better information about states and state buckets, maybe better ways to prevent lockdown before it goes pending. But forcing Open will nit help you against an resourceful and dedicated opponent.

Plus: It will force You into Open, too....

Honestly a lot of these arguments are down to how one-sided certain methods of influencing the BGS are regardless of which mode they occur in. If someone's slaughtering authority ships in open they can do so with impunity regardless of the mode. If you wanted to blockade the star, they could just fly in solo to basically anywhere in the system and relog. You want to kill system authority ships? Log into open literally anywhere in the system that has even the possiblity of spawning an clean NPC ship, and you've got a means of summoning fresh targets.

I'm sure certain people would love to remove other modes entirely and turn elite into Eve-in-a-cockpit, but that's not the game we're playing. It's the game they want to force everyone else to play.
 
Without going into great detail, him and his small group abused the system pretty hard. Major changes to the BGS was changed behind the scenes because of it. And its a reason the ATR is in the game to stop people from farming cops in an instance.

Since it doesnt work anymore.

I can tell you how this was achieved.

You could go into an instance. Use a cutter with all turreted lasers. Kill all but 1 of the cops, an Eagle, you Regen shields faster than it can dmg you. Then more cops would arrive and you could basically AFK.

Now ATR has turret guns. They can come in and nuke your shields pretty quick. but on a time limit so you can still make an impact.

But you cant afk in a instance anymore.

Why do you guys think healing beams were so . And you can still do this within crime scenes in powerplay. And the ATR wont ever show up. Because its powerplay.

There were some other no floor techniques he was using that got patched out as well. The BGS is VERY VERY imbalanced when it comes to player group vs player group.

There are somethings you just dont know about, and there are other things you just dont have the experience in that anyone could get the experience in. And it shows.

I suggest for once, you get off the forums. And go learn the damn game.

Right. You're scared of a boogey-man, and I need to learn the game. Gotya.

You and I just see a very different game within the same programming. I for one don;t want it reduced to the FPS like the one you offered up as some kind of evidence. Those that want that kind of play can snipe each other all they want in open. It's all there for you, what I don;t see is a reason everyone has to be trapped in that mess.

I'm going to leave you with that thought for now, before you start hunting me down in Hello Kitty Dance Party.

Peace out.

<-- Drops the Mic -->
 
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