Modes PvP for the average player otherwise know as "Oh-no, not again!"

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Aye, and I bet some of them are in Solo/PG for that reason.
Just like some players only play some games to try and ruin it for others, like some open only players.

It takes all sorts to build a community.
And because of Elites versatility towards multiplayer / PvP, we get them from each end of the spectrum and everything in between.

And yet with a few rules put in place. No one has to get their game ruined. No one can hide and affect people intentionally. Nor can people ruin other peoples good time(if they pick the correct mode).

Good thing Sandro suggested those powerplay changes.

All this does is make sure everyone has a quality time within Elite Dangerous.

Now if they gave the same protection to player groups. We would be in a good spot.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Aye, and I bet some of them are in Solo/PG for that reason.
Just like some players only play some games to try and ruin it for others, like some open only players.

It takes all sorts to build a community.
And because of Elites versatility towards multiplayer / PvP, we get them from each end of the spectrum and everything in between.

That's not the position you were defending.

I'm glad you're being more reasonable now!

 

[Sylveria]

That's not the position you were defending.

I'm glad you're being more reasonable now!

Actually, Jockey has actually long defended player choice in relative terms of the modes.

Others, by comparison, have attacked the mode system itself in favor of a completely Open-only game.

 

[Mouse]

Actually, Jockey has actually long defended player choice in relative terms of the modes.

Others, by comparison, have attacked the mode system itself in favor of a completely Open-only game.

Those others also try to decry those who prefer everyone has as choice

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Actually, Jockey has actually long defended player choice in relative terms of the modes.

Others, by comparison, have attacked the mode system itself in favor of a completely Open-only game.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment.

 

[JohannStrauss]

... it is what it is, a cheap vanity shooter clone bolted on top of a simulation of the galaxy with a ridiculous network architecture. the sooner you realize this, the better your chances of survival

You get the point of the Open Game in detail.
Great post.

 

[Parmo]

...
For that matter the devs have stated unequivocally that open is the most popular mode.

Not quite.
Sandro: "People who play Open versus other modes are majority, by significant margin"

This tells me nothing about the 'popularity' of any mode of play. One account can be played in all modes. One person can have more than one account.

The only worthwhile statistic of value is the total number of hours played in each of the available modes.

Why does it matter when FDev has unequivocally stated that the modes are treated equally?
Because the numbers will be used by advocates of one mode play to supress the use of the other modes?

If Fdev will not release verifable numbers for this contentious issue then it would be better for FDev not to mention anything at all about it, especially with such a vague statement.

 

[Jockey79]

I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment.

Your comment was wrong, Sylveria was correcting you.

I've always been in favour of mode mobility, I've only ever fought against mode locking players / content.
I use all 3 modes myself, depending on my mood and I play all the content despite people claiming I don't.

So being "reasonable" has nothing to do with it, if people were going to be "reasonable", they'd admit to buying the wrong game and leaving for something more their tastes - not sit here whining and trying to get the Devs to ruin the game for those who knew what they were buying.

And there was no excuse for anyone to not know about the mode system and the content being available in all modes - as that information was available long before the game was available to buy.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Not quite.
Sandro: "People who play Open versus other modes are majority, by significant margin"

This tells me nothing about the 'popularity' of any mode of play. One account can be played in all modes. One person can have more than one account.

The only worthwhile statistic of value is the total number of hours played in each of the available modes.

Why does it matter when FDev has unequivocally stated that the modes are treated equally?
Because the numbers will be used by advocates of one mode play to supress the use of the other modes?

If Fdev will not release verifable numbers for this contentious issue then it would be better for FDev not to mention anything at all about it, especially with such a vague statement.

That is just you obfuscating.
If you prefer "more people play" to "more popular" that makes no difference to me at all.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Your comment was wrong, Sylveria was correcting you.

I've always been in favour of mode mobility, I've only ever fought against mode locking players / content.
I use all 3 modes myself, depending on my mood and I play all the content despite people claiming I don't.

So being "reasonable" has nothing to do with it, if people were going to be "reasonable", they'd admit to buying the wrong game and leaving for something more their tastes - not sit here whining and trying to get the Devs to ruin the game for those who knew what they were buying.

And there was no excuse for anyone to not know about the mode system and the content being available in all modes - as that information was available long before the game was available to buy.

Now you are being ridiculous.

You were supporting a blanket statement, "this time."
You changed your tune.

It's all right up there.
My comment had nothing to do with any other history or previous threads, LOL.

So no, I wansn't "wrong" about anything.
You folks are just getting tribal.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

That is just you obfuscating.
If you prefer "more people play" to "more popular" that makes no difference to me at all.

Although I would suggest with something like a restaurant, the one with all the people in it is more popular.
Clubs?
Ditto.

Lets look at the word itself.
Where do you think it comes from?

Meaning "suited to ordinary people" is from 1570s in English; hence, of prices, "low, affordable to average persons" (1859). Meaning "well-liked, admired by the people" is attested from c. 1600. Of art, entertainment, etc., "favored by people generally" from 1819 (popular song).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/popular


Yeah, you folks are being ridiculous.

 

[Jockey79]

Now you are being ridiculous.

You were supporting a blanket statement, "this time."
You changed your tune.

It's all right up there.
My comment had nothing to do with any other history or previous threads, LOL.

So no, I wansn't "wrong" about anything.
You folks are just getting tribal.

Not referring to any other thread/ comments -really?

Because I said in this thread, if it walks like a duck.... and all of a sudden you're talking about changed tune and being "reasonable".
Which had nothing to do with my comments in this thread of pointing someone to Mobius and agreeing with someone, that if it looked like a "griefer" it probably was one (hence walk like a duck comment).

You're the one talking about things I've not said in this thread....... and you got that wrong, as I support player choice (even if that choice is being a murder hobo).

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Not referring to any other thread/ comments -really?

Because I said in this thread, if it walks like a duck.... and all of a sudden you're talking about changed tune and being "reasonable".
Which had nothing to do with my comments in this thread of pointing someone to Mobius and agreeing with someone, that if it looked like a "griefer" it probably was one (hence walk like a duck comment).

You're the one talking about things I've not said in this thread....... and you got that wrong, as I support player choice (even if that choice is being a murder hobo).

I was referring specifically to your comments in this thread.
I suggest you read it again.

The "history" is Sylveria's red herring.

 

[Mouse]

What does being wanted or cargo have to do with anything?

"I hate your ship name." is a valid reason, lol.
So is "You didn't name your ship!?"

It could be any one of many dozens of reasons.
Open your mind.

OK... you keep going after people so I will just bring up this little jewel you posted.... all of your "reasons" here... are crap. NONE of them are reasons... all of them though are extremely lame and weak... EXCUSES. An example, I don't like the name Bob... it doesn't give me a reason to attack you just because your name is Bob. To try and justify that excuse as a "reason" to attack attack you, especially when I know my ship will cream yours, is basically just quackers.


So keep up the indignation against others and claim their posts are nonsense... but all the while all you are still trying to do.... is defend excuses.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

OK... you keep going after people so I will just bring up this little jewel you posted.... all of your "reasons" here... are crap. NONE of them are reasons... all of them though are extremely lame and weak... EXCUSES. An example, I don't like the name Bob... it doesn't give me a reason to attack you just because your name is Bob. To try and justify that excuse as a "reason" to attack attack you, especially when I know my ship will cream yours, is basically just quackers.


So keep up the indignation against others and claim their posts are nonsense... but all the while all you are still trying to do.... is defend excuses.

Going after people?

Hahahahahaha!

I am responding to posts directed at me!

Crap, you say?
Sure, but valid nonetheless!

(Hint: Those are not mutually exclusive!)

Your hypocrisy is hilarious.

Maybe you should all recognize your own silly indignation?

The OP conceded my point.
Why haven't you all?

LOL

 

[Jockey79]

I was referring specifically to your comments in this thread.
I suggest you read it again.

The "history" is Sylveria's red herring.

Let's see;

I made a post, pointing someone to the Mobius website, then when you mention someone may have other reasons to gank others, I say "if it walks like a duck...."

So tell me then, what was I defending then in this thread?

 

[Mouse]

Going after people?

Hahahahahaha!

I am responding to posts directed at me!

Crap, you say?
Sure, but valid nonetheless!

(Hint: Those are not mutually exclusive!)

Your hypocrisy is hilarious.

Maybe you should all recognize your own silly indignation?

The OP conceded my point.
Why haven't you all?

LOL

The only "hypocrisy" is you, but keep trying to pawn that off on others. And look at your comments, people disagree with you and you don't go after the disagreement you go after them. I'm sorry that pointing that out is upsetting to you but *shug*. The only one showing indignation is you and yet again you claim "YOU ALL" which I can assume meaning anyone who disagrees with you cause again... if they do they "must" be attacking you and not just disagreeing

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Let's see;

I made a post, pointing someone to the Mobius website, then when you mention someone may have other reasons to gank others, I say "if it walks like a duck...."

So tell me then, what was I defending then in this thread?

HAHAHA!
Seriously?
You're defending the blanket statement and unsupported assumption.
The OP conceded that point!

You know, the person I was talking to?
Then you addressed me.
And so did Sylveria.
And subsequently Mouse.

Yet I'm the one "going after people"?

Hahahahaha!
You guys are too funny.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

The elephant in the room is the subjective/goal shifting definition of "griefer" in the first place.

That has always been the fallacious "get out of jail free card."

Basically "It's a griefer because I said so."

LOL

 

[Jockey79]

HAHAHA!
Seriously?
You're defending the blanket statement and unsupported assumption.
The OP conceded that point!

You know, the person I was talking to?
Then you addressed me.
And so did Sylveria.
And subsequently Mouse.

Yet I'm the one "going after people"?

Hahahahaha!
You guys are too funny.

Erm, perhaps you should have read all my post then, as I did put that there could be any reason as well.

So I didn't change my tune at all, you just made a bad assumption about my post.