Opinions on combat logging

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
rlsg said:
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Joining Open is not however granting a carte blanche consent to any and all PvP behaviours. FD created the Open environment obviously in the hope that people in general would not treat it like a PvP arena, what has transpired since release has shown that some PvPers fail to respect that hope/intent. The whole concept was doomed from the start, the moment you open the Pandora's box of allowing random PvP there will inevitably be some that push the boundaries of what people in general will tolerate.
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This is a bald faced lie.

Read number 2 and 5:

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Smaste

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M4st0d0n said:
Dont want to add insult to injury, but what's your feeling about them doing nothing about the issue for three years, and removing "combat logging" in the report canevas altogether.

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I think it just shows FD's ongoing commitment to make a game for everyone, by everyone. They have our best interests in mind, after all.

You can really see their focus on PVP when they had Salome - an undisputed champion of PVP - valiantly battle it out with the stars themselves trying to figure out how to scoop fuel.
 

lenna

lenna
Makaan said:
My point is, is that PvP is an element of Open Play and you consent to it when you enter that mode. Does that excuse excessive griefing? Probably not, but the point still stands.
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I don't necessarily disagree that PvP is an element of Open play, but to claim it is considered consent to be targeted by PvP is actually false. No such explicit consent exists except in the minds of some PvPers.

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Makaan said:
Yeah, I don't think it will happen either. But it would help. I feel that people who want player co-operation without any risk of PvP would move to it, so probably a lot of people from Private Groups and Solo Play, and those that want to avoid PvP in Open. However, there's still a lot of people that enjoy the added risk of Open Play and the PvP element it offers, so that mode would still be full of players.

I'd say the main issue is that there's no punishment for people who, for example, purposefully grief newer players in open over and over again. The Pilots Federation can permit lock systems and give you access to them, couldn't the same be done to excessive griefers as a punishment, by locking them out of systems, for a set period of time?

I agree that there are many options. I do feel a lot of these issues would not be issues today if we had a PvE mode alongside Open Play. It's a shame we'll never see it.
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I suggest you look at this YouTube from about 41:30 to 45:00 for FD's official position regarding Combat Logging, PvE, PvP, and the Open environment. The implications of that is that FD do plan to crack down long term on PvP behaviours, whether there is much more that they will do over and above the 3.0 C&P/C&C changes is another matter.
 

CMDR M. Lehman

CMDR M. Lehman
rlsg said:
FD have essentially admitted that the current excesses of shield booster stacking was unintentional, therefore by their own book of definitions utilisation of it is an exploit and therefore cheating and an EULA breech by their own rule book.

Ultimately, their heavy handed attempts to address the problem after the fact resulted in too much community backlash from certain quarters that FD apparently abandoned the direct approach. That aside, increasing the menu timer is a wrong headed approach to related concerns.
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So in other words they kept the shield stacking mechanic as was, reaffirming their use as perfectly legitimate. Doing such is neither an exploit nor a form of cheating, never was and isn't now.

I understand that you have strong opinions on the matter, but you are quite clearly mistaken as to what is and isn't cheating.

I'll even send you a screenshot of my Fer de Lance's shield booster build (6 of them, fully engineered). Feel free to report me (CMDR Tyrran Andor) to both the forum mods and the devs for cheating.

And by all means let us know how that goes.
 

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rlsg said:
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I don't necessarily disagree that PvP is an element of Open play, but to claim it is considered consent to be targeted by PvP is actually false. No such explicit consent exists except in the minds of some PvPers.


I suggest you look at this YouTube from about 41:30 to 45:00 for FD's official position regarding Combat Logging, PvE, PvP, and the Open environment. The implications of that is that FD do plan to crack down long term on PvP behaviours, whether there is much more that they will do over and above the 3.0 C&P/C&C changes is another matter.​
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Nah mate I can PVP whoever I want, whenever I want, and then menu log 15 seconds after nuking start players. It's part of the experience my dude.​
 

lenna

lenna
Smaste said:
Nah mate I can PVP whoever I want, whenever I want, and then menu log 15 seconds after nuking start players. It's part of the experience my dude.
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I think you will find that "seal clubbing" as you describe is not part of the intended gameplay. The 3.0 C&P/C&C changes are evidence enough of that. :rolleyes:
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
A menu log assures a level playing field. Plus, you can't miss with it.

Seeing as how the timed exit makes PvP irrelevant, maybe FD should just drop it, and save us all the hissy-fits.
 

lenna

lenna
Smaste said:
They'll just have to learn how to menu log. Trial by nuclear fire, as it were.
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This attitude is precisely the kind of thing FD has been clearly opposed to all along. Enforcing the necessary restrictions without being overly constrictive to everyone else is difficult and possibly unfeasible to do but that does not make the toxic behaviours in question permitted. Don't be surprised if you get shadow banned a lot if that is how you choose to behave in-game. :rolleyes:
 

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rlsg said:
This attitude is precisely the kind of thing FD has been clearly opposed to all along. Enforcing the necessary restrictions without being overly constrictive to everyone else is difficult and possibly unfeasible to do but that does not make the toxic behaviours in question permitted. Don't be surprised if you get shadow banned a lot if that is how you choose to behave in-game. :rolleyes:
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FD have stated that PVP need not be consensual, and my stealth drives work a little slower than my FSD so it's completely legitimate my dude.

Get ready for the nuclear fire at every CG in open lmfao

You reap what you sow.
 

lenna

lenna
Mohrgan said:
A menu log assures a level playing field. Plus, you can't miss with it.

Seeing as how the timed exit makes PvP irrelevant, maybe FD should just drop it, and save us all the hissy-fits.
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Not everyone behaves unreasonable in a PvP context, if FD improve on the tools for Piracy (e.g. adding a cargo demand system that works for both PC and NPC targets) then a lot of the excuses would lose any sense of legitimacy.
 
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[VR] M4st0d0n

[VR] M4st0d0n
rlsg said:
This attitude is precisely the kind of thing FD has been clearly opposed to all along. Enforcing the necessary restrictions without being overly constrictive to everyone else is difficult and possibly unfeasible to do but that does not make the toxic behaviours in question permitted. Don't be surprised if you get shadow banned a lot if that is how you choose to behave in-game. :rolleyes:
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Shadow ban does not exist.

FD is clearly opposed to player bypassing their grind/content by patching gold rushes and board exploits. Clearly opposed to player controlled megaship going through permit locked systems in maintenance for excitingly exciting new excitements soon to excite.

As for pvp they dont have a clue what they're doing. Total lack of direction.
 
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Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Smaste said:
FD have stated that PVP need not be consensual, and my stealth drives work a little slower than my FSD so it's completely legitimate my dude.

Get ready for the nuclear fire at every CG in open lmfao

You reap what you sow.
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You pose no threat. Anyone reading your post, already has a perfect defense. Pew Pew.
 
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