Hi Adam!
How's the sniffles?
Thanks for the announcement there are no announcements just yet. Very meta.
News Chapter Four - Exploration Reveal
How's the sniffles?
Thanks for the announcement there are no announcements just yet. Very meta.
I can't see how that works with the new mechanics. If you have all the information available to you, why wouldn't it be available onthe waveform scanner. There needs some kind of logic to it and to be honest that does not make any sense.
It seems your compromise is just centred around your own personal way of exploring and what you want to do without any thought to anyone else.
That is not a compromise.
Thanks for the update.
To View or not to view....that is the question!!!
As in Shakespear's new play.....'The Taming of the Honk'
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
Thanks for the update Adam.
"all the information"
*sigh*
Because having the information from the current ADS severely limited to a fraction of that information is not a compromise. Sure. And my proposal limits that information because other players feel this would ruin the new mechanic, so I am only thinking about myself. I see.
Your way or the highway eh?
But he "knew" a river was there...which the proposed ADS does away with!
Not quite.. in the example given river=system. "You know there is a system there, you arrive and .." is equivalent to "You know there is a rive there, you arrive and .."
But he "knew" a river was there...which the proposed ADS does away with!
Just like we know there is a star system there. The proposed ADS does not take that away from us. Look at the river as the star system. We know there is one there, just like he knows there is a river there. What he does not know is what is up/down the river like we don't know what is in the system apart from the star. But the new ADS will also give us a rough idea of what is in the system and we may be able to tell the differences between the new wave forms to know what is in the system. Using the new scanner you could also set it up to view what is in the habital zone (from what I can see). It looks very flexible.
I think the people that are going to suffer the most will be Ziggy that likes to find moons that are close together and planets that orbit each other. Hence the reason why I proposed a way to speed up the scan for these items by bundling the planet (gas giant) and all it's moons as one wave form and gravity distortion so that scanning these items would be much much faster instead of scanning them one at a time.
I like the new system, but do see that it could be tweeked for people like Ziggy so he can get the info he wants much faster. To me that is a good compromise. We keep the new mechanics but Ziggy will get what he wants much quicker, but not as quick as it originally was. Some investigation work still needs to be done, it just won't be as extreme as the current proposal.
Also we could add a "discovered by" and "mapped" by percentage on the screen to see if anyone has scanned/mapped the system already. You will still need to investigate to find out which planets though if it's part scanned.
To me that is a better compromise and more inclusive of other player styles but doesn't make a mockery of the new system.
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Ooo you tease, i got all excited then!
Won't the initial energy distribution give you this? You'll come to know that a peak in the range X-Y indicates earth like, for example.
Yeah you are.
But it still give you orbits, type of planet etc which means the initial honk has already pinpointed where those planets are otherwise it would not be able to get that information.
The main part of the new mechanic is finding the planets, not the information it gives you. If that become null and void as the initial honk has already found them and ascertained what they are, what the point?
Nope. As I said I am all up for a compromise that works. Not one that makes the new scanning system not make any sense.
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Not that excited about ELWs to be honest. All I get is a cash reward. The new system will indeed be great for honk-jump cherry picking, since you won't even have to travel towards that ELW.
I'm more interested in system configurations.
Sounds niche.. I'm not even sure what you mean by this??
Hi Adam,
Thanks for the update.
Just to reiterate (and expand) on a few points as they may have largely gotten lost in this megathread:
1. It'd be awesome if there was some way to deploy a mini-navbeacon into a system by the first explorer, which could then optionally be scanned by other Commanders revealing only the information gathered in the system so far. Since you already to a "First Discovered By" check on arrival and have that information in a database, the game could use that same network traffic/information to determine whether or not to generate such a navbeacon so it "shouldn't" (famous last words) significantly impact performance.
2. Please allow the new scanning UI to be an overlay on the ship HUD (or even better, completely integrated with the HUD), instead of being a completely separate screen such as the Galaxy Map or System Map. Two reasons: a) VR, b) situational awareness while flying.
3. If the interface cannot be made a popup then please allow the new "Discovery Scanner" to work from both Supercruise as well as normal space. The latter is especially required when scanning systems near populated space as there will be a risk of interception.
4. Please ensure probe synthesis materials can be gathered both with an SRV on a planetary surface or with a mining laser from a ring. Not everybody will have an SRV on their ship (or may have lost it; in fact, since we can synth fighters, why can't we synth SRV's??).
5. Please DON'T pin-point POI's after probing a planet; show search-areas and then allow us to pin-point via SRV or ship-based searches. Of course, once found, subsequent visits should show the exact location.
6. I don't much care whether the "honk" fills the system map or not (rather heated discussion going on!), but if it does, I think it should only provide basic information until the remote scan fills in more details on each body.
Looking forward to seeing the new system in action!
Cheers,
- Micha.
Thanks for the update.
Just to reiterate (and expand) on a few points as they may have largely gotten lost in this megathread:
1. It'd be awesome if there was some way to deploy a mini-navbeacon into a system by the first explorer, which could then optionally be scanned by other Commanders revealing only the information gathered in the system so far. Since you already to a "First Discovered By" check on arrival and have that information in a database, the game could use that same network traffic/information to determine whether or not to generate such a navbeacon so it "shouldn't" (famous last words) significantly impact performance.
2. Please allow the new scanning UI to be an overlay on the ship HUD (or even better, completely integrated with the HUD), instead of being a completely separate screen such as the Galaxy Map or System Map. Two reasons: a) VR, b) situational awareness while flying.
3. If the interface cannot be made a popup then please allow the new "Discovery Scanner" to work from both Supercruise as well as normal space. The latter is especially required when scanning systems near populated space as there will be a risk of interception.
4. Please ensure probe synthesis materials can be gathered both with an SRV on a planetary surface or with a mining laser from a ring. Not everybody will have an SRV on their ship (or may have lost it; in fact, since we can synth fighters, why can't we synth SRV's??).
5. Please DON'T pin-point POI's after probing a planet; show search-areas and then allow us to pin-point via SRV or ship-based searches. Of course, once found, subsequent visits should show the exact location.
6. I don't much care whether the "honk" fills the system map or not (rather heated discussion going on!), but if it does, I think it should only provide basic information until the remote scan fills in more details on each body.
Looking forward to seeing the new system in action!
Cheers,
- Micha.
System oddities like gas giants with gas giant moons. Binary worlds. gas giants with moons which have moons of their own (often these are very close together)
And it's not niche, I have heard many CMDRs state that's also what they are looking for. One of the most popular threads on the exploration forum a couple of years ago was the weird systems thread.